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Obama Orders US Flags at Half Staff for Miners
newsmax ^ | 4/12/10

Posted on 04/12/2010 11:57:44 AM PDT by bestintxas

President Barack Obama has ordered U.S. flags in West Virginia to be flown at half staff in honor of 29 miners killed in the Upper Big Branch mine explosion.

In a proclamation issued Monday, Obama said all U.S. flags in the state are to be flown at half staff until sunset on Sunday.

The proclamation comes as federal and state mine safety officials begin their investigation into the nation's worst coal-related mine accident in 40 years.

Crews are still working to recover the last of the victims. Recovery attempts have been hampered by high levels of hazardous gases.

State Office of Miners' Health Safety and Training spokeswoman Jama Jarrett says recovery of the last nine victims should be completed by late Monday afternoon.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: mining; obama; oldglory; tribute
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At the risk of being labeled insensitive, why do this at all? This is like the victims of 9/11. Horrible, yes but lowering flags to half-staff?

There is no national reason to do this at all, like military victims killed overseas. This cheapens the whole ceremony of the memory of those who should have the recognition. It should not be done for those who unfortunately get caught up in a terrible accident.

I guess union workers are lifted up so high by this regime that anything they do or get involved in must be elevated in a national sense.

1 posted on 04/12/2010 11:57:44 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

“why do this at all?”

Obozo probably thinks he’s doing it for 29 kids under 18 years of age!


2 posted on 04/12/2010 12:00:52 PM PDT by Batman11 (Sarah Palin: "Illegal immigrants are called illegal for a reason!")
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To: bestintxas

Well, he can’t very well ask for prayer for the families, can he?

No, lowering the flag is all he knows. He doesn’t respect it anyway.

And he will make sure this tragedy never happens again...by closing all the other coal mines.


3 posted on 04/12/2010 12:00:58 PM PDT by henkster (A broken government does not merit full faith and credit.)
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To: bestintxas

I’d like to know why he didn’t “order” the flags to be flown half-mast last week?


4 posted on 04/12/2010 12:01:15 PM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: bestintxas

This is being done because of the president’s ignorance as to what constitutes true sacrifice, and it cheapens the entire tradition... another fact of which he is also ignorant.


5 posted on 04/12/2010 12:01:45 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: bestintxas

I’m with you. This was an awful work accident but to lower the flag?????


6 posted on 04/12/2010 12:02:05 PM PDT by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: bestintxas
This is a political move leading to further restrictions on the coal industry as part of the overall strangling of the US extraction energy industry. The more we need energy, the more Obama and company make it more difficult to develop or expand sources other than unreliable “green” sources.
7 posted on 04/12/2010 12:02:40 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Batman11

Please let me add that there is nothing funny about the death of 29 people. My prayers are with them and their family’s. Obama, on the other hand, is an idiot, so he is fair game.


8 posted on 04/12/2010 12:02:52 PM PDT by Batman11 (Sarah Palin: "Illegal immigrants are called illegal for a reason!")
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To: bestintxas

Well who can argue with this no matter how political of a decision this President just made to order them at half mast....


9 posted on 04/12/2010 12:03:05 PM PDT by HD1200
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To: bestintxas

The irony!

IIRC this is a non-union mine.

IIRC BO said he would kill the coal mining industry.

If this flag lowering is for W.VA only - why is this not the W.VA Governor’s prerogative? Isn’t POTUS only involved in NATIONAL days of mourning?


10 posted on 04/12/2010 12:03:06 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: Truth29
This is a political move leading to further restrictions on the coal industry as part of the overall strangling of the US extraction energy industry. The more we need energy, the more Obama and company make it more difficult to develop or expand sources other than unreliable “green” sources.

BINGO!

11 posted on 04/12/2010 12:04:35 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: bestintxas
The man has no clue, nor respect, for what many powerful American symbols mean.

There are dozens of people killed every day, in various types of accidents. Shall we just go to always flying the flag at half-staff from now on?

12 posted on 04/12/2010 12:04:40 PM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: bestintxas

But not for the 12 soldiers at Ft. Hood? What’s he trying to say?


13 posted on 04/12/2010 12:06:57 PM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: bestintxas
Why?

Because it's good PR for the Kenyan...plain and simple

14 posted on 04/12/2010 12:07:26 PM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: TChris

While Barack Obama is President, we should consider flying the flag in the international symbols for distress - I believe that means upside down, or in a wheft; with a knot tied in the center.


15 posted on 04/12/2010 12:08:22 PM PDT by Bernard (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, Three if by Government)
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To: bestintxas
military victims killed overseas

I'm against it for that too, actually. When America is at war and men are killed in battle, the flag needs to fly high. Half mast should be for specific occasions of national mourning, such as for a dignitary. In other words, not for soldiers lost in battle in World War II, but for FDR when he died.
16 posted on 04/12/2010 12:09:33 PM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: sodpoodle
If this flag lowering is for W.VA only - why is this not the W.VA Governor’s prerogative?

Good question. I would have thought so, as well. Zero should keep his nasty nose out of WV's business.

17 posted on 04/12/2010 12:09:52 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: bestintxas
Give me a break; what a 'show'. These people are beyond disgusting; we know that of course. His next move; will be a shovel upside the back of their heads - figuretively speaking, of course.

This is a shameless 'self-promo' at the expense of an industry he is determined to destroy; and the expense of our flag as well.

18 posted on 04/12/2010 12:09:58 PM PDT by cricket (We cannot allow t he 'man who would be king' to be one!)
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To: bestintxas

I think he ment ‘minors’.


19 posted on 04/12/2010 12:10:08 PM PDT by Leg Olam
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To: bestintxas

568 service members have died in Iraq and Afghanistan since Obama took office and he has never lowered the flag for even one of them.


20 posted on 04/12/2010 12:10:34 PM PDT by CholeraJoe ("And the pony looked a little bored...")
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To: bestintxas

Inappropriate.


21 posted on 04/12/2010 12:11:04 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: bestintxas

The state has a governor....


22 posted on 04/12/2010 12:11:04 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: bestintxas

I agree. Have other presidents done this when there have been mining accidents?

I really hate Obama.


23 posted on 04/12/2010 12:13:09 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: bestintxas

I’m sure if you asked most miners they would want the flag flown at half-staff for Obama


24 posted on 04/12/2010 12:15:07 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Genoa; bestintxas

Come to think of it, I had mixed feelings about seeing the flag at half mast after 9/11 too. I wanted it high.


25 posted on 04/12/2010 12:16:32 PM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: bestintxas

Our family hails from that neck of the woods in WV, and we are old enough to remember that things like this use to happen all the time. The safety practices and technology have eliminated the deaths to a tiny fraction of what it was like in my grandfathers time.

I feel sorry for the miners, but good grief they are paid good money now to go into those mines and do a mans work, there will always be risk no matter what laws are passed and these men understood that every day they walked in.

They knew that they were being paid good money to go down there and work, and that there were risks involved that no amount of prevention and technology will ever eliminate. It’s horrible, but if Obama thinks it’s shocking then he knows nothing about coal miners, their history or the families that have done it.


26 posted on 04/12/2010 12:16:47 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: bestintxas

He did it becaue it makes him feel good, and because he probably thinks it makes him look good.


27 posted on 04/12/2010 12:17:49 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: bestintxas
Not to sound like a curmudgeon, even as I am, in fact a curmudgeon, but it seems our flag is flown at half mast more than it is flown at full mast lately. I think we should reserve this action for the most serious of matters. Not to diminish the loss of these brave workers. We keep their families in our prayers. But...

Maybe its s sign of the times...

28 posted on 04/12/2010 12:19:43 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: bestintxas

i guess your right in the sense that this is just a horrible non-national accident. What should be done maybe is fly the WV flag at half-mast on national flagpoles. (?)


29 posted on 04/12/2010 12:22:22 PM PDT by FutureRocketMan
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To: cricket

And I would bet the families of those killed are those Americans who “cling to their religion and guns”.

FUBO


30 posted on 04/12/2010 12:22:47 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: bestintxas

This was a terrible accident, but flying the flag at half staff for a week is not really in line with flag protocol at the national level. I mean, when a sitting congressman dies the flag is only at half staff until his burial (I think).but as the president, he can have the flag at half staff for any reason he wants. @lease correct me if I am wrong. This is an interesting civics issue.


31 posted on 04/12/2010 12:24:07 PM PDT by fire4effect
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To: bestintxas

But not for Gen Robert White, genuine American Hero, who recently passed away. If you don’t recognize the name you would would be glad you looked it up.


32 posted on 04/12/2010 12:25:17 PM PDT by tightwadbob (There is no right way to do the wrong thing. Hardcore Angry Conservative for Pres in '12)
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To: bestintxas

Mine’s already flying upside down.


33 posted on 04/12/2010 12:25:56 PM PDT by genetic homophobe
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To: bestintxas
Obama wants to destroy big coal. What a hypocrite.
34 posted on 04/12/2010 12:26:18 PM PDT by dancusa (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. W. Churchill)
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To: bestintxas

Obambi is so stupid

FEDERAL US FLAGS are only flown at half staff for the death of patriots, and you are trying to make criminals out of the US energy industry. How is your left wing base going to take this?

This is more ‘feel good’ idiocy

NOTHING AGAINST THE COAL MINERS!!!! But are we going to fly the entire country’s flags at half staff for every industrial accident from now on?


35 posted on 04/12/2010 12:27:20 PM PDT by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: Mr. K

I am actually somewhat amazed by the level of ignorance of the Flag Code out there. For example, it specifically states that the Flag “shall not be utilized as part of any athletic uniform”. Yet I seem to see it popping-up on baseball uniforms all the time.


36 posted on 04/12/2010 12:33:51 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ladyvet

Like somebody said, its easier for fubar to do that than make a statement involving prayer.


37 posted on 04/12/2010 12:38:12 PM PDT by omega4179 (www.JDforsenate.com)
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To: tightwadbob
Thanks for the info, TWB - he was a real hero!

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
38 posted on 04/12/2010 12:39:36 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: NMEwithin

“Because it’s good PR for the Kenyan...plain and simple”

My thoughts exactly. He wants the flag lowered low enough to get his hands on it and rip it up.....ain’t gonna happen though.


39 posted on 04/12/2010 12:40:27 PM PDT by freebird5850 (O-Bomba is not the Messiah. Jesus was a carpenter and could build a cabinet!)
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To: CholeraJoe

You know what makes all of this pale by comparison?...It’s the 2500 or so babies who die EVERY DAY in the abortion mills around the country. I’m not talking a year...A DAY. Where’s the flag for them, Mr. Obama? He probably would want to raise the flag to them.

You’re ALL right on the money. He has no clue about anything. He’s in WAY over his head. We survived the Clintoon machine but I’m really afraid with this one. I thought we were done with his kind after Clintoon was exposed and shamed. I look back and can’t figure out what happened to people’s minds that they would fall for this crap all over again. Didn’t they learn ANYTHING? Guess not.


40 posted on 04/12/2010 12:41:02 PM PDT by gooleyman ( What about the baby's "RIGHT TO CHOOSE"?????? I bet the baby would chose LIFE.)
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To: bestintxas
Horrible, yes but lowering flags to half-staff?

Kansas lowered our flags to half staff over a week ago because some retired state Supreme Court justice had died. Just at state buildings and some businesses though.

41 posted on 04/12/2010 12:42:21 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: bestintxas

Once again Obama, heady in his arrogance and incompetence, blunders.


42 posted on 04/12/2010 12:45:14 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: gooleyman

Amen, Gman. Good point!


43 posted on 04/12/2010 12:47:49 PM PDT by dancusa (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. W. Churchill)
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To: NMEwithin

Cares about the mistreated workers, all that. Obama just sees ANY event as a potential political opportunity he might be able to leverage.


44 posted on 04/12/2010 12:49:30 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: bestintxas

Um, Mrs. Post said that Barry is punctual. Where the hell has he been on this?

Oh, another Historic Kodak moment....never mind.


45 posted on 04/12/2010 12:49:47 PM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: bestintxas

I don’t see why Obozo did this because he wants to shut down coal as an energy source - something coal miners seemed to miss in the last election.


46 posted on 04/12/2010 12:52:26 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15)
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To: bestintxas

He’s just looking forward to May Day.


47 posted on 04/12/2010 12:53:08 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: bestintxas

It is odd that the proclamation only covers West Virginia. I can’t recall a Presidential proclamation to lower the flag that only covered one state. Usually it is the whole US or nothing.

Of course, state Governors can now order the US flag lowered to half staff at all state and federal government buildings and facilities within their respective states, as of 2008. But that kind of state-restricted proclamation comes from a governor, not the President.


48 posted on 04/12/2010 12:59:34 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gov. Chris Christie (R) won the NJ-6 held by Rep. Frank Pallone (D) by a 15.5% margin!)
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To: bestintxas

I often think I’m being too cynical, so far, I’ve always been wrong. Union workers, my thoughts exactly, murdered by evil capitalism.


49 posted on 04/12/2010 1:02:51 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: bestintxas

Obama...as always, LATE to the engagement.


50 posted on 04/12/2010 1:15:12 PM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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