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The Glory of Poland
The New York Times ^ | April 12, 2010 | ROGER COHEN

Posted on 04/12/2010 12:41:25 PM PDT by lizol

The Glory of Poland

By ROGER COHEN Published: April 12, 2010

NEW YORK — My first thought, hearing of the Polish tragedy, was that history’s gyre can be of an unbearable cruelty, decapitating Poland’s elite twice in the same cursed place, Katyn.

My second was to call my old friend Adam Michnik in Warsaw. Michnik, an intellectual imprisoned six times by the former puppet-Soviet Communist rulers, once told me:

“Anyone who has suffered that humiliation, at some level, wants revenge. I know all the lies. I saw people being killed. But I also know that revanchism is never ending. And my obsession has been that we should have a revolution that does not resemble the French or Russian, but rather the American, in the sense that it be for something, not against something. A revolution for a constitution, not a paradise. An anti-utopian revolution. Because utopias lead to the guillotine and the gulag.”

Michnik’s obsession has yielded fruit. President Lech Kaczynski is dead. Slawomir Skrzypek, the president of the National Bank, is dead. An explosion in the fog of the forest took them and 94 others on the way to Katyn. But Poland’s democracy has scarcely skipped a beat. The leader of the lower house of Parliament has become acting president pending an election. The first deputy president of the National Bank has assumed the duties of the late president. Poland, oft dismembered, even wiped from the map, is calm and at peace.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: anniversary; kaczynski; katyn; poland; russia; tribute; worldhistory

1 posted on 04/12/2010 12:41:25 PM PDT by lizol
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To: Grzegorz 246; Verdelet; Matt_Rel
Michnik’s obsession has yielded fruit. President Lech Kaczynski is dead. Slawomir Skrzypek, the president of the National Bank, is dead.

A bit equivocal, isn't it?
2 posted on 04/12/2010 12:44:47 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

The fruit he speaks of is the orderly transition following the tragedy.


3 posted on 04/12/2010 12:47:37 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: lizol

God bless the good people and our allies in Poland. The American people stand with the Poles, even as our so called Government leadership distances themselves from her and breaks previous agreements.


4 posted on 04/12/2010 12:48:14 PM PDT by Finatic ("you see kids were so much wiser after the wars")
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To: lizol

Leave it to the Times to praise Putin in this piece.

How do we know it was an accident?


5 posted on 04/12/2010 12:48:28 PM PDT by Pessimist (u)
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To: lizol

Abosute genius from a former imprisoned Polish dissident: “And my obsession has been that we should have a revolution that does not resemble the French or Russian, but rather the American, in the sense that it be for something, not against something. A revolution for a constitution, not a paradise. An anti-utopian revolution. Because utopias lead to the guillotine and the gulag.”


6 posted on 04/12/2010 12:49:03 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: lizol
All that can be said, where the Russians are concerned, is we will see. It is well for Roger Cohen to offer Putin his adoration but remember that same Putin is slaughtering at this moment in the name of empire.
7 posted on 04/12/2010 12:49:50 PM PDT by Hans
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To: lizol
Michnik’s obsession has yielded fruit. President Lech Kaczynski is dead. Slawomir Skrzypek, the president of the National Bank, is dead.

And yet that pig, Jaruzelski still lives.

8 posted on 04/12/2010 12:52:40 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Lou Budvis
Because utopias lead to the guillotine and the gulag.”

That's brilliant. Just absolutely, hands down, unquestionably top-10 most intelligent and astute historical observations ever.

9 posted on 04/12/2010 12:55:10 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: lizol

SO the Slimes elevates Michnik to spokesperson. The guy that equates socialism with democracy.

That sucks.


10 posted on 04/12/2010 12:56:31 PM PDT by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: Hans

Putin is slaughtering ...


Who exactly? your fantasies...?


11 posted on 04/12/2010 12:58:24 PM PDT by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: eleni121

Yeah, Michnik actually is not the best person to talk about his sorrow after this tragedy


12 posted on 04/12/2010 12:58:41 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol
“Anyone who has suffered that humiliation, at some level, wants revenge. I know all the lies. I saw people being killed. But I also know that revanchism is never ending. And my obsession has been that we should have a revolution that does not resemble the French or Russian, but rather the American, in the sense that it be for something, not against something. A revolution for a constitution, not a paradise. An anti-utopian revolution. Because [Hope & Change] leads to the guillotine and the gulag.”

Wow. Gotta join others in highlighting this quote.

13 posted on 04/12/2010 1:02:52 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: lizol

After all it is the SLIMES.

I would much rather hear from one of my heroes: LECH!


14 posted on 04/12/2010 1:29:34 PM PDT by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: Pessimist

“How do we know it was an accident?”

Because “Lizol” said it was; and stated in another thread that the author who hinted at it being a conspiracy is a lunatic. Guy sure has great intel. somthing like you would expect from a James Bond movie.


15 posted on 04/12/2010 2:17:15 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Calling all Son's of Liberty)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"Because utopias lead to the guillotine and the gulag.”

That would make a good Tea Party sign.
16 posted on 04/12/2010 2:17:15 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Keep your socialized health care off my body !!)
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To: lizol

Just a terrible tragedy.


17 posted on 04/12/2010 2:18:17 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: eleni121

The genocidal monster Putin is guilty of mass murder of many thousands of Christian Georgian patriots fighting for their homeland against criminal Russian barbarian invaders. You may choose not to recognize the Christianity, or even the humanity of Putin’s innocent victims, but Georgians are people too, and Americans are aware of evil Putin’s horrible crimes, despite the hard work or his sycophantic apologists.


18 posted on 04/12/2010 7:50:51 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: eleni121

19 posted on 04/12/2010 7:54:11 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

You are way too bizarre to respond to.

I will say this: Most Georgians would like Mussolini Sasshkavili to go away. Maybe he can get a job with Soros.


20 posted on 04/12/2010 8:26:23 PM PDT by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

nice Photoshop. You are so strange....


21 posted on 04/12/2010 8:28:56 PM PDT by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: eleni121
Most Georgians would like the Russian occupiers to get out of their country!

Georgians will never accept Russia's brutal genocidal domination no matter who is leader of Georgia!

22 posted on 04/12/2010 8:29:39 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: eleni121
That is a photo from the Russian state-run media! Lech Kaczynski travelled to Tblisi during the August 08 war to show his support for President Saakashvili! He was one of the good guys, not a RUSSIAN BOOTLICKER!
23 posted on 04/12/2010 8:35:53 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Do you read? I did not say that Georgian people want Russians to take over. But they certainly cannot stand Saashkavili.


24 posted on 04/12/2010 8:39:48 PM PDT by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: eleni121

Yeah right, that’s why they elected him twice.


25 posted on 04/12/2010 8:41:52 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You need to wake up and realize that most Georgians do not like Saakashvili. here they are making their concerns known and the tyrant is beating them down. Well, at least that corrupt goon in Ukraine is gone. Soros is not too happy about losing one of his boys.


the people rise up against Sakaashvili


the people are beaten back by the tyrant's forces

26 posted on 04/12/2010 8:49:55 PM PDT by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Sakaashvili said this and shame on any politician who supports this kind of tyranny - Mussolini commanded his security:

“to use force when dealing with any attempt to stage prison riots, and to open fire, shoot to kill and destroy any criminal who attempts to cause turmoil. We will not spare bullets against these people.”


27 posted on 04/12/2010 8:52:51 PM PDT by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: eleni121
Saakashvili voluntarily stepped down from power in 2007 because of the demonstrations of the street rabble, and he was RE-ELECTED!

You know who runs the "pro-Russian" opposition? Zurab Nogaideli, who is linked to, wouldn't you know it, SOROS!

The people opposing Saakashvili now are the same ones Soros helped to overthrow Shevardnadze!

28 posted on 04/12/2010 10:06:56 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Rigged elections are Sashkhavili’s specialty.

It is obvious that the bloom is off the rose...


29 posted on 04/13/2010 7:56:36 AM PDT by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: eleni121

Putin and Russia caused the Polish plane to crash (or at least helped it along).


30 posted on 04/13/2010 1:52:44 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Soros has been exposed as a potential KGB agent.


31 posted on 04/13/2010 1:53:25 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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