Skip to comments.Special Election-PA 12th House District-May 18 (Murtha's seat)
Posted on 04/13/2010 7:50:30 AM PDT by randita
This is a VERY important election. We've been fighting for this seat for a long time and finally have a great shot of taking it both in the May 18 Special Election and in November. Tim Burns (R) has been selected as the GOP candidate to run in the May 18 Special Election against Mark Critz (D), but both Burns and another good GOP candidate, Bill Russell, are running in the May 18 Primary to face off against Critz in November. Burns needs our support now to win the seat on May 18.
Note that this district went for McCain in 2008.
An up to date list of vulnerable DEM seats and must hold GOP seats is located at Key House Races.
Thought this was timely for the first post of this type on FR. Feedback?
I take it that you think Burns is a good candidate. He’s the choice of the party pros, who have a pretty lousy record of choosing good candidates. And Russell is a good man, who gave Murtha a fight for his seat even though he had bought the whole district.
I’d like to know more about Burns than just the assertion from a gang of RINOs that he’s a conservative Republican. That’s what they say about Romney and McCain, when it’s primary time.
Thanks, yes all seats are important and I have done what I can for him and the other special elections.
I’d recommend this for Republican voters:
(1) Vote for Burns in the special election. That’s open to R and D. We need an R in the seat.
(2) Vote for the candidate of your choice in the (closed) primary.
Each candidate is a good conservative but has good and bad points. The selection was not made by a backroom cabal, but by over 100 activists in the local party.
By the way, this indicates how much influence you can have in a local party. There are only a few people who get up off their butts to get involved.
I think Burns is the best candidate in the May 18 Special Election-far preferable to Critz (D). That’s what this thread is basically about.
Russell looks like a great candidate as well and may win the primary over Burns.
Thought this was timely for the first post of this type on FR. Feedback?
Thank-you for posting this.
As a native of western Pa myself, I believe that the people of this district would be best served by Tim Burns, who also is native to the area.
I am NOT impressed by the partisan carpetbagger credentials of Russell.
His previous campaign focused primarily on Murtha-bashing,
but on other issues he is hopelessly out-of-touch with local interests.
It is apparent that his ambition is not to actually represent his constituents, but to obtain an easy ticket out of Johnstown back to the DC Beltway where he can hobnob with likeminded carpetbaggers.
The People of Johnstown deserve better.
Elect Tim Burns, his roots are in the region.
Oh, OK. Sorry. I’d forgotten that there are TWO elections this year.
Then I agree. Burns now, over Critz, in the special election.
And then choose the best candidate in the primary for next fall’s regular election.
That's the type of backbone we need in Washington, not people who will fight the good fight only as long as the opposition is not too strong.
I have a generally favorable impression of Burns and think it is great that he has actual business experience, but I also had the same impression of George W. Bush and Mitt Romney for the same reasons and have to admit that both came up short in their eagerness to work with the opposition rather than defeat them.
Remind me again why we have to have a bunch of government employed unionized slugs go through your bags every time you take an airline flight. Does it really give us better security than the privately contracted security companies who did it before? The TSA would not have prevented 9-11 under the rules in effect at that time. I'm not even sure they would prevent it now.
There are a few here that have been quick label Bill Russell as a carpetbagger, BTW that was practically the first word out of Murtha and his thugs mouths when challenged by Russell.
Russell has served the nation well over a period of about 30 years and never had his stakes down to consider anyplace a permanent home until 3 years ago when moving his family to Johnstown and retiring. Excerpt from his about page:
The son of a career military officer, Bill Russells home addresses spanned some eleven states and seven countries, before settling his own family in Johnstown, Pennsylvania. A fifth generation soldier, he began his military career as an Enlisted man, attended West Point, graduated from Louisiana State University, and earned his commission through Officer Candidates School at Fort Benning, Georgia.
Tim Burns looks to be a conservative from his website but it's yet to be proven. He was the choice of Rob Gleason and Gleason used his influence with conferees to get Burns selected for the special election. Gleason had supported Murtha for a number of years even though Gleason is the GOP PA state chair. It has been thought Gleason supported Murtha because of his insurance business having clients that were Murtha's fair haired boys. I doubt there's a bigger RINO than Gleason in PA now that Specter turned Democrat.
Russell is a good man and has done his homework in the district. He's kept campaigning since losing in the last election to Murtha and has gained many supporters in the district.
if i lived closer to the district I would be there. Anyone within an hour (or even two) should consider getting there in person.
I am too far for the NY district, too. I think it is NY29. I am full-time now as a citizen activist on a HOUSE race in CT. 30 hours per week. Must be my night job.
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OK, that kind of post makes me way less supportive, just so you know.
The NRCC has provided $15,000 to conduct a poll in the district, if it ignores the independent and third party vote it may not tell us much.
Why would one post sway you so much? I certainly apologize if it offended you. I just happen to support Russell in the primary and am proud to trumpet it.
Played down by the media is correct. No one that I could find reported on the Libertarian candidate until a couple days ago.
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I saw that yesterday. Tim Pawlenty’s PAC and Mitt Romney’s PAC have dumped some money on Burns also.
Burns promoted himself as a self-funder(he’s worth somewhere between 80-200 million) to get the PA GOP’s endorsement, since the PA GOP is broke.
I want Burns to win the special election, but I do wish the NRCC and other GOP moneymen would target their resources to conservative candidates who aren’t independently wealthy.
Very, nice. Lots of interest in PA. That's good.
Thanks for the ping!
At lot of Russell backers are chessed off that Russell didn’t get the nomination for the special. I hope it doesn’t stop them from voting for Burns.
This is only district in the country that voted for Kerry in 2004 and McCain in 2008.
Is Bill Russell mounting a write in challenge for the special? That was mentioned weeks ago, I haven’t heard anything new. If he is that would lead me to believe Burns is the better choice.
What he said was
“I still think I am the best candidate to take over in the 12th,” Russell said. “So I’m going to vote for myself as a write-in.”
That would be juvenile. What he should do is help Burns win the special. Then resume his primary campaign.
the primary is the same day as the special.
Excatly, Russell has to keep campaigning hard through the day of the special election because the primary is the same day.
Fortunately, the more voters Russell brings to the polls, the better are Burns’s chances in the special. Russell’s campaign should be “Vote for Russell in the Primary, and Burns in the Special,” which would go a long way towards improving Russell’s image against district Republicans that were disgusted by his bad sportsmanship (including claim that he would write-in his own name in the special). It is obviously in Russell’s best interests not only to project the image of a statesman, but to make sure that Democrat Mark Critz is not the incumbent when he faces him in November.
I didn’t want to bring up Russell’s snit fit, but yes, he did that. I think he was just blowing off steam. Still, it doesn’t speak well of him.
The fact is that Russell was a good anti-Murtha candidate. With Murtha gone, Russell’s unique qualifications become less essential.
I do want to emphasize that the selection of Burns wasn’t some cabal. As I understand it was a vote of over 100 activists, those who make the local party run, not a dozen party bosses.
It wasn’t as good as a primary, but you can’t have everything. I’m sure Russell feels like it’s his turn, but if he’s going to be involved in GOP politics, he has to be a team player.
Sometimes conservatives beat other conservatives. It happens.
That's an excellent point and it's quite accurate. I'm a Russell supporter and I'll be voting for Burns in the special election. I know alot of Russell supporters here in the district and everyone I've talked to will be doing the same. There's little doubt that Russell supporters will be out in force on May 18th and will definitely give a solid boost to Burns' vote totals in the special election. The main thing for all of us is making that a Republican seat. Burns problem won't come from Russell supporters, it will come from the third candidate on the special election ballot, the Libertarian.
The dynamics of the election remind me of the 2004 GOP Senate primary in GA, in which Herman Cain and Mac Collins were both claiming to be the pro-life, grassroots conservative alternative to country club Republican Johnny Isakson. Since Isakson was the frontrunner and GA has a run-off if no one gets 50%, both Cain and Collins supporters knew that the more votes that the other guy got, the higher the probability that Isakson would get below 50% in the primary and face either Cain or Collins in the run-off. Unfortunately, Isakson got 52% and avoided the run-off (although, to be fair, Isakson has been a pleasant surprise in the Senate).
Burns needs Russell’s supporters in order to win the special, and Russell needs Burns to win the special in order to avoid having to face a Democrat incumbent in November. I hope that Burns and Russell, conservative Republicans both, keep that in mind and refrain from running negative ads against each other.
“I hope that Burns and Russell, conservative Republicans both, keep that in mind and refrain from running negative ads against each other.”
I agree, it would be unwise for either of them to go negative.
There are distinct differences between the two men, however, and I think they can point them out if they choose too, as long as they’re honest and fair about it.
Here’s something I found interesting. Both Burns and Russell claim they are running for the people’s seat. The way they conduct fundraisers provides some insight into their different approaches.
From the Quinn & Rose WAR ROOM website events page http://www.warroom.com/appearances.php
Wednesday April 21st, 2010 5 pm to 8+ pm
River Forest Country Club
130 Clubhouse Drive
Lt. Colonel William Russell for Congress
Republican - PA 12th District
Fund-raising social at 5 pm Get tickets($25.00) by calling 724-831-9976 or, email Mike firstname.lastname@example.org
RALLY at 7pm, FREE TO PUBLIC
Freeport Community Park, Freeport, PA
Join Rose from 6-8 pm
Sponsored by Citizens for Constitutional Conservatives
Thursday April 22nd, 2010 6:30 pm to 8:30 pm
DiSalvo’s Station, 325 McKinley Ave
Join Senator Kim Ward, Senator Don White, William J. Donahue, Louis G. Galliker, Mark G. Miller, and James C. Roddey CORDIALLY INVITE YOU TO A RECEPTION FOR Tim Burns, Candidate for the 12th Congressional District with Special Guest Speaker Newt Gingrich
6:30 p.m. VIP Co-Host Reception $4800/person, Includes photo opportunity
7:00-8:30 p.m. Reception, Reception Sponsors $1000/person, Reception Guests $150/person.
Please RSVP to Jen Holman at 717-903-3598 email@example.com
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