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Polish President's and First Lady's coffins presented to the public (PICTURE GALLERY)
April 13, 2010

Posted on 04/13/2010 11:24:13 AM PDT by lizol















Their Daughter

















People waiting in a line







TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: kaczynski; poland; presidentkaczynski

1 posted on 04/13/2010 11:24:14 AM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

Note the little girl waving the Georgian flag.


2 posted on 04/13/2010 11:26:01 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: lizol

Lord, my heart just breaks for their daughter. :(


3 posted on 04/13/2010 11:28:42 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: lizol

Eyes.

Moist.


4 posted on 04/13/2010 11:29:55 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. - H. L. Menken.)
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To: lizol

How very sad for the daughter. sigh.........a tragic death on so many levels.


5 posted on 04/13/2010 11:30:16 AM PDT by Carley (Are you better off than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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To: lizol

One question I have is, how was Kaczynski’s popularity before the crash? I figured after the PO win, that his approval was declining. How we he be remembered by Poles, even those who didn’t necessarily support his party?


6 posted on 04/13/2010 11:34:02 AM PDT by dfwgator
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7 posted on 04/13/2010 11:43:00 AM PDT by lizol
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To: dfwgator
One question I have is, how was Kaczynski’s popularity before the crash?

Not good. It's very likely, that he would've lost the election.

I wouldn't vote for him, for example.
But he was the President of my country, who died on duty.
8 posted on 04/13/2010 11:48:14 AM PDT by lizol
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Me too. To lose both mom and dad in one felt swoop is just horrific...May God hold her close in his heart as she goes through this ordeal...
9 posted on 04/13/2010 11:50:45 AM PDT by hstacey
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To: lizol

Didn’t his twin brother also run for the same office in the same election? We they from the same Party? Will the brother try again for the presidency?

Somebody posted a picture the other day of the twins when they were 6. I’ve never seen 2 cuter little boys — not even my own. So sad. Is their mother still living?


10 posted on 04/13/2010 11:59:44 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: hstacey

does anyone know how old their daughter is?


11 posted on 04/13/2010 12:03:04 PM PDT by midnightcat
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To: afraidfortherepublic

No, the late Lech Kaczynski won the presidential election.

Whereas his twin brother Jaroslaw is the leader of the party, which won the parliametary election at the same time. And he became the Prime Minister later.


12 posted on 04/13/2010 12:04:57 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

My view is I think there is good in both PiS and PO, and the status quo is good, and that neither party gain too much power.

I admired Kaczynski, at least from outside because I saw a man who truly loved his country. I don’t know about his domestic policies, so I can’t comment.


13 posted on 04/13/2010 12:05:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
My view is I think there is good in both PiS and PO

Sure there is. We should remember, that in 2005 it was obvious for almost everyone, that they'll form the ruling coalition - to reform the country. Which I'd applaud with all my heart

But then this ridiculous war between them broke up - based on personal ambitions and lust for more power, and .... we can see what we have now. They are poles apart (or Poles apart?).
14 posted on 04/13/2010 12:12:21 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

How much of that was Tusk, and how much of it was on Kaczynski?


15 posted on 04/13/2010 12:13:15 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
However - maybe this current tragic situation will bring some good fruits?




16 posted on 04/13/2010 12:14:29 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

What a horrible national tragedy. Prayers for our Polish friends.


17 posted on 04/13/2010 12:14:33 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: lizol

I’ve been impressed with Tusk, so far. Before this, for me, the jury was still out on him.

Now, being the cynic that I am, of course, Tusk knows that all eyes are now on him. But I saw his address after the tragedy, and I could tell he was visibly shaken.


18 posted on 04/13/2010 12:16:13 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: lizol

Will Jaroslav stand for election again? I understand that he is out of the govt. now.


19 posted on 04/13/2010 12:17:04 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: lizol

lizol, my best regards to the fine people of Poland.

Remember that many Americans honor your country and your people.


20 posted on 04/13/2010 12:22:51 PM PDT by alarm rider (The left will always tell you who they fear the most. What are they telling you now?)
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To: dfwgator
I don't know - as to me - they're worth each other.

In 2005 Tusk wanted to win the presidential election. And according to the opinion polls - it was very likely to happen. But he lost, which was emotionally painful to him I suppose.

So - he (and the rest of PO) hoped, that they will win the presidential election - to be the major partner within the planned coalition. But again - they lost (not much, but they did).

And - having in mind, that Jaroslaw is a master of political games (and he really is) - Tusk and PO were probably afraid of getting into a “marriage” with such a powerful partner.
You know - the supporters of both parties had similar profiles, and PO were afraid of getting “eaten” by the PiS.

And that Jaroslaw’s and his colleagues' behavior didn't help - the war has started.

21 posted on 04/13/2010 12:24:13 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

Well, behind every cloud is a silver lining, and maybe now they can put all of that aside.


22 posted on 04/13/2010 12:25:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

OK, but PiS supporters will tell you, that he was only pretending, and that his behaviour was nothing but PR.


23 posted on 04/13/2010 12:27:04 PM PDT by lizol
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To: afraidfortherepublic
He’s the leader of the main opposition party.
The urgent presidential election will take place in June. Their natural presidential candidate’s gone. So are many of their most prominent politicians (who were on the plane with the President).

We’ll see, how the situation is going to develop.

Try to imagine Air Force One falling down - packed with the US President, his most important co-workers and most prominent politicians of his party.

24 posted on 04/13/2010 12:34:28 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

I once had an executive job for a mid sized company.One of our company’s rules, was that if a number of us were traveling to the same destination, we were all to take separate flights so that if the worst happened, it wouldn’t leave a huge void in management.

Never have understood why so many government officials travel together at the same time.


25 posted on 04/13/2010 12:36:27 PM PDT by 11aloevera28
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To: dfwgator; lizol
He would probably loose elections, yet still you see how people react to his tragic death.

On Sunday I called my grandma (82) she said that Poland right now reminds her of the moment when Jozef Pilsudski died. If it looks like this right now, I can't imagine what will happen on Sunday, when President and First Lady will be buried in Krakow under The Wawel Cathedral along with mentioned Pilsudski, Jan III Sobieski, gen. Wladyslaw Sikorski and Tadeusz Kosciuszko.
27 posted on 04/13/2010 12:37:13 PM PDT by Verdelet (Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori!)
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To: Verdelet; dfwgator

As I said - I wasn’t his supporter.

But this tragic event just placed all the reservation regarding Kaczynski in proper proportions.

I’ve heard an excellent comment related to this issue - some fellow on TV said, that on Saturday evening he had taken a newspaper published on Friday. And all the “problems”, that were shaking Polish politcal stage before Saturday morning appeared to be so empty, so stupid....

Verdelet - compare today’s picture of Lech Kaczynski on TV and the rest of the media with the one from one week before ...


28 posted on 04/13/2010 12:44:43 PM PDT by lizol
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To: exit82

Don’t get me wrong.
I don’t mean I wished it happened. Just try to imagine the impact I’d would have on American political stage.

And this is the situation we have in Poland now.


29 posted on 04/13/2010 12:47:55 PM PDT by lizol
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To: Verdelet
I can't imagine what will happen on Sunday, when President and First Lady will be buried in Krakow under The Wawel Cathedral along with mentioned Pilsudski, Jan III Sobieski, gen. Wladyslaw Sikorski and Tadeusz Kosciuszko.

And have you seen these morons?

http://www.tvn24.pl/-1,1652092,0,1,nie-na-wawel-powazki,wiadomosc.html


30 posted on 04/13/2010 12:50:59 PM PDT by lizol
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To: 11aloevera28
Never have understood why so many government officials travel together at the same time.

Me neither, me neither...
31 posted on 04/13/2010 12:51:23 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol
Have you seen those morons?

http://www.sfora.pl/Belgowie-zakpili-z-polskiej-tragedii-a19127

I agree with you, the way media show President today is so much different from what we could see a week ago. Today we can hear people that were close to Mr. Kaczynski and his wife talking in MSM about President, his family, friends. We do see photos of the Presidential couple, but showed not in the usual "bash the President" way. During the last three days I got to know more about President and the First Lady then I had a chance to do it during the last several years.

That's so sad.
32 posted on 04/13/2010 1:05:21 PM PDT by Verdelet (Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori!)
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To: lizol
Obama is going to the funeral. We need to be observant of the people he has conversations with while he's there.

I wonder how many airplanes Obama and his entourage will need.

33 posted on 04/13/2010 1:07:08 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (SPEAK UP REPUBLICANS, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET! IMPEACH OBAMA!)
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To: lizol

lizol, I had the Admin Moderator remove my own comment.

I forgot you were in Poland—I have your seen your posts many times, and I know we have commented together a few times.

I know what you meant, and after giving it some thought, I felt my comment could be misunderstood on a few levels.

Poland is stalwart friend of America, and its people love freedom. When the accident happened, I was sickened by it, and by the irony that it happened during travel to an event in history that is shameful. The Soviet Union tried to decimate the future of Poland by slaughtering 20,000 Polish officers, and then blaming it on the Nazis for 50 years.

Now, with this accident, Poland’s best and brightest are once again decimated—in Russia once again.

The American people stand with you, lizol, on this heartbreaking hour of your history. In spite of the shameful way our current President has treated Poland, please know that you and Poland’s people have many, many friends in America.


34 posted on 04/13/2010 5:52:54 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: dfwgator; lizol
PiS has got more social tendencies than PO. PO is a typical liberal party in European meaning. Taking U.S. criteria into consideration, both PiS and PO would be parts of the Republican Party. PiS is very socially conservative while PO is fiscally conservative. PiS’s patriotism is rather an old, a pre-war one, strongly based on our history and traditions. PO on the other hand, presents more European, more open kind of patriotism, where individual wellbeing is the most important factor.

In 19th century there were two basic tendencies in the Polish literature -the Romanticism and the Positivism. The Romanticism was connected with such names like Adam Mickiewicz, Kamil Norwid or Julius Slowacki (Cz.Niemen based his lyrics mainly on their ideology) while the Positivism is supported mainly by B.Prus, H.Sienkiewicz (e.g. Quo Vadis), etc.

Those two tendencies are different and could be difficult to unite. Anyway, they are like two parts of the one and the same heart - one cannot live without the other.
E.g. I am a PiS supporter, but economic ideas of the Civic Platform seem to me much better and more suitable for contemporary times.

Anyway, both PiS and PO formed one party 10 years ago named Electoral Action - Solidarity. Now, these two halfs are hardline contenders as others actually don't count.

35 posted on 04/16/2010 12:37:46 PM PDT by Matt_Rel
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To: HighlyOpinionated
Obama is going to the funeral. We need to be observant of the people he has conversations with while he's there.


36 posted on 04/16/2010 12:40:36 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Matt_Rel

I notice on TV Polonia they are showing a mini-series about Pilsudski, do you know if it’s worth watching. I think they made it around 2001.


37 posted on 04/16/2010 1:05:43 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I’m sorry. I can’t tell. I never saw it :-(


38 posted on 04/17/2010 12:06:21 AM PDT by Matt_Rel
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