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Sex and the single black woman
The Economist ^ | Apr 8th 2010 | The Economist

Posted on 04/13/2010 11:51:43 AM PDT by unclebankster

How the mass incarceration of black men hurts black women

IMAGINE that the world consists of 20 men and 20 women, all of them heterosexual and in search of a mate. Since the numbers are even, everyone can find a partner. But what happens if you take away one man? You might not think this would make much difference. You would be wrong, argues Tim Harford, a British economist, in a book called “The Logic of Life”. With 20 women pursuing 19 men, one woman faces the prospect of spinsterhood. So she ups her game. Perhaps she dresses more seductively. Perhaps she makes an extra effort to be obliging. Somehow or other, she “steals” a man from one of her fellow women. That newly single woman then ups her game, too, to steal a man from someone else. A chain reaction ensues. Before long, every woman has to try harder, and every man can relax a little.

Real life is more complicated, of course, but this simple model illustrates an important truth. In the marriage market, numbers matter. And among African-Americans, the disparity is much worse than in Mr Harford’s imaginary example. Between the ages of 20 and 29, one black man in nine is behind bars. For black women of the same age, the figure is about one in 150. For obvious reasons, convicts are excluded from the dating pool. And many women also steer clear of ex-cons, which makes a big difference when one young black man in three can expect to be locked up at some point.

Removing so many men from the marriage market has profound consequences. As incarceration rates exploded between 1970 and 2007, the proportion of US-born black women aged 30-44 who were married plunged from 62% to 33%. Why this happened is complex and furiously debated. The era of mass imprisonment began as traditional mores were already crumbling, following the sexual revolution of the 1960s and the invention of the contraceptive pill. It also coincided with greater opportunities for women in the workplace. These factors must surely have had something to do with the decline of marriage.

But jail is a big part of the problem, argue Kerwin Kofi Charles, now at the University of Chicago, and Ming Ching Luoh of National Taiwan University. They divided America up into geographical and racial “marriage markets”, to take account of the fact that most people marry someone of the same race who lives relatively close to them. Then, after crunching the census numbers, they found that a one percentage point increase in the male incarceration rate was associated with a 2.4-point reduction in the proportion of women who ever marry. Could it be, however, that mass incarceration is a symptom of increasing social dysfunction, and that it was this social dysfunction that caused marriage to wither? Probably not. For similar crimes, America imposes much harsher penalties than other rich countries. Mr Charles and Mr Luoh controlled for crime rates, as a proxy for social dysfunction, and found that it made no difference to their results. They concluded that “higher male imprisonment has lowered the likelihood that women marry…and caused a shift in the gains from marriage away from women and towards men.” Learning and earning

Similar problems afflict working-class whites, but they are more concentrated among blacks. Some 70% of black babies are born out of wedlock. The collapse of the traditional family has made black Americans far poorer and lonelier than they would otherwise have been. The least-educated black women suffer the most. In 2007 only 11% of US-born black women aged 30-44 without a high school diploma had a working spouse, according to the Pew Research Centre. Their college-educated sisters fare better, but are still affected by the sex imbalance. Because most seek husbands of the same race—96% of married black women are married to black men—they are ultimately fishing in the same pool.

Black women tend to stay in school longer than black men. Looking only at the non-incarcerated population, black women are 40% more likely to go to college. They are also more likely than white women to seek work. One reason why so many black women strive so hard is because they do not expect to split the household bills with a male provider. And the educational disparity creates its own tensions. If you are a college-educated black woman with a good job and you wish to marry a black man who is your socioeconomic equal, the odds are not good.

“I thought I was a catch,” sighs an attractive black female doctor at a hospital in Washington, DC. Black men with good jobs know they are “a hot commodity”, she observes. When there are six women chasing one man, “It’s like, what are you going to do extra, to get his attention?” Some women offer sex on the first date, she says, which makes life harder for those who prefer to combine romance with commitment. She complains about a recent boyfriend, an electrician whom she had been dating for about six months, whose phone started ringing late at night. It turned out to be his other girlfriend. Pressed, he said he didn’t realise the relationship was meant to be exclusive.

The skewed sex ratio “puts black women in an awful spot,” says Audrey Chapman, a relationship counsellor and the author of several books with titles such as “Getting Good Loving”. Her advice to single black women is pragmatic: love yourself, communicate better and so on. She says that many black men and women, having been brought up by single mothers, are unsure what role a man should play in the home. The women expect to be in charge; the men sometimes resent this. Nisa Muhammad of the Wedded Bliss Foundation, a pro-marriage group, urges her college-educated sisters to consider marrying honourable blue-collar workers, such as the postman. But the simplest way to help the black family would be to lock up fewer black men for non-violent offences.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: blackcrime; blackmen; blackwomen; china; chinesemen; crime; dating; interracial; man; men; race; racist; relationships; relationsihps
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"Some women offer sex on the first date, she says, which makes life harder for those who prefer to combine romance with commitment."

Oh my that just horrible!/s

You mean 1st date sex,romance,and commitment can't be rolled into one night of fun. This women needs to get in the game!

1 posted on 04/13/2010 11:51:43 AM PDT by unclebankster
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To: unclebankster

At the risk of being called “racist” I see more than a few black men with white gf and wives. I wonder if that doesn’t have an adverse effect as well. This article doesn’t seem to mention this.


2 posted on 04/13/2010 11:57:35 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: unclebankster

The problem is not with the justice system, it is with the people who decide to break the law and then, so tragically, are punished according to the law they chose - CHOSE - to break.

More criminals, not less, deserve to be removed from society, black, white, or otherwise.


3 posted on 04/13/2010 11:57:48 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (If you believe in manmade global warming, you lack the gift of reason.)
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To: unclebankster
But the simplest way to help the black family would be to lock up fewer black men for non-violent offences.

YES - that would solve all problems. Not one work on the government nanny state...

4 posted on 04/13/2010 11:58:01 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: unclebankster
Permit bigamy. I'm serious.

Sharing one good husband is better than having a non-husband in jail.

5 posted on 04/13/2010 11:59:30 AM PDT by GeorgeSaden
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To: unclebankster

It appears to me that the biggest obstacle that black women face is...........white women. Especially blue eyed blondes. Take a casual perusal of black male celebrities. The black women as a wife or significant other is almost non-existent.


6 posted on 04/13/2010 11:59:49 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: 2banana

So, she’s saying that because there are a derth of black men out there,

that they should be able to break the law with impunity
as long as it’s a “non-violent” offense.

OK, sure... makes sense.

Hey, here’s a clue, I got this from “Liar, Liar” -
“stop breaking the law, a$$hole!”

And here’s one for the author - try not having sex unless you’re married - things work out better that way, trust God.


7 posted on 04/13/2010 12:01:19 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: unclebankster

Now, consider the sex-selection abortion genocide of females in China, and how that will play out.


8 posted on 04/13/2010 12:02:30 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: unclebankster

Any comparisons to other cultures with similarly disproportionate gender counts? I’m thinking of Europe and especially France immediately after World War One where a lot of the young men were killed.


9 posted on 04/13/2010 12:03:06 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Obamacare: The 2010 version of the Intolerable Acts.)
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To: unclebankster

I couldn’t get past the first two paragraphs.


10 posted on 04/13/2010 12:03:15 PM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: unclebankster
After letting out all the black criminals, you might want to dig up the murdered black men for ‘em also.

You friggin’ idiot liberals!

11 posted on 04/13/2010 12:04:50 PM PDT by XusmcRVNvet
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To: unclebankster
Another agenda driven piece of tripe. Do the crime, do the time. If black men don't want to be prosecuted for committing criminal acts, they have the choice to not commit them. The liberals writing this tripe also omit the impact of government welfare programs on the destruction of the poor black family. Policies that drove black men from their homes so black women could qualify for government welfare benefits are the root cause. People take the path of least resistance. Government freebies are easier to pluck from the mailbox than getting a job and earning a living. Liberals never consider the consequences of their foolish policies, nor do they ever take responsibility for them.
12 posted on 04/13/2010 12:04:53 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: unclebankster
But the simplest way to help the black family would be to lock up fewer black men for non-violent offences.

This statement is so silly, I am at a loss....

The best way to help any family is for both prospective spouses to have a core set of values and follow them, regardless of what peer pressure there is.

13 posted on 04/13/2010 12:06:02 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: unclebankster

This is what bothers me about these stories.

We’re special blah blah blah.

It seems that would be a problem for all women.

How is it just a Black Thing.


14 posted on 04/13/2010 12:06:45 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: unclebankster
having been brought up by single mothers, are unsure what role a man should play in the home. The women expect to be in charge; the men sometimes resent this.

Interesting observation. Most black women seem really pushy to me, and I could see why no one would be interested. I notice they don't comment on black men marrying white women also diminishing the pool. There are two (apparently successful) black men living in my neighborhood; both married to white women.

15 posted on 04/13/2010 12:07:20 PM PDT by throwback
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To: Cyman
It appears to me that the biggest obstacle that black women face is...........white women. Especially blue eyed blondes. Take a casual perusal of black male celebrities. The black women as a wife or significant other is almost non-existent.

True, though I've also noticed that non-celebrity black guys who are with white women usually tend to be with the skanks that the white guys won't touch.

16 posted on 04/13/2010 12:07:31 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: unclebankster
The era of mass imprisonment began as traditional mores were already crumbling,

Coincidence or cause-and-effect?

17 posted on 04/13/2010 12:09:00 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: unclebankster

First, so many black men are incarcerated because they committed crimes, were caught, and then convicted and sentenced.

Second, the idea that black women can only choose from a supposedly small pool of black men is just racist and preposterous. Plenty of men out there.

Third, if Uncle Sugar had not taken the place of a committed husband and father in the home, not only would these “men” be holding down steady jobs and not in and out of prison, and these “women” wouldn’t feel that they have to be slutty baby factories.


18 posted on 04/13/2010 12:09:02 PM PDT by EricT. (Can we start hanging them yet?)
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To: wastoute

“At the risk of being called “racist” I see more than a few black men with white gf and wives.”

At the risk of being deemed racist, an astute observer might conclude that black men prefer white women, Tiger Woods notwithstanding. It would follow that the available pool of black men for black women who wish to date within their own race would be diminished. Practicing monogamy might also be something an astute observer might conclude is lacking, although that seems to transcend racial groups these days.


19 posted on 04/13/2010 12:10:01 PM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: mlocher
But the simplest way to help the black family would be to lock up fewer black men for non-violent offences.

Pardon one offence and you encourage the commission of many. - Publilius Syrus

20 posted on 04/13/2010 12:10:55 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: GeorgeSaden

I have a better idea. Black women should marry white men.


21 posted on 04/13/2010 12:10:56 PM PDT by Publius
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To: AbeKrieger
Yes! The article sounds like America just rounds up lots of black men and throws them in jail for no reason. Absolutely impossible to take this author seriously.
22 posted on 04/13/2010 12:10:59 PM PDT by cvq3842 (Freedom is worth fighting for.)
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To: unclebankster

When I was growing up, my Biology teacher called this “NATURAL SELECTION”...


23 posted on 04/13/2010 12:11:50 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: unclebankster

interesting article.
I wonder if there are historical examples of this?
I was thinking- france in the 1810’s, paraguay in the 1860’s and
russia in 1940’s
After major wars we should see an increase in female promiscuity.


24 posted on 04/13/2010 12:12:37 PM PDT by genghis
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To: Beelzebubba

That’s interesting. Forgot about that. Women will demand a premium in China. Maybe black women can travel to China to pick up mail order husbands.


25 posted on 04/13/2010 12:12:44 PM PDT by throwback
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To: GeorgeSaden
Yah bigamy is the only way to get legitimate black children. Same scenario is facing college girls these days -its surf city all over the place. The young women are deprecated, become desperate, slutty, fat - go out with gangsters, gays, morons.

Vote YES for Bigamy!
26 posted on 04/13/2010 12:13:47 PM PDT by olepap (God help us)
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To: wastoute
At the risk of being called “racist” I see more than a few black men with white gf and wives. I wonder if that doesn’t have an adverse effect as well. This article doesn’t seem to mention this.

Partially balanced out by White guys going for Asian women.

But if Black Women didn't pop out 2 or 3 kids with the Gangsta thugs by the time they are 18 they might have a better chance of getting a more stable man.

27 posted on 04/13/2010 12:14:03 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: unclebankster
But the simplest way to help the black family would be to lock up fewer black men for non-violent offences.

Nonsense!
How about getting black men to stop committing more crimes than anyone else for starters? Whoever heard of a “solution” to a problem that completely ignores the root causes of the problem in the first place?
Plus, why can't black women date outside their race? Where does it say black women(or women of any other race) only have to date exclusively men from their own race?
A good man is a good man, no matter what his race is. If you are a woman, and you can't find suitable men from your own race to date you, it's just stupid to go through life without a suitable companion, just because you are still waiting for the man of the "right" color to show up.
Yet another liberal stupid article from the liberal media. Not exactly new is it?

28 posted on 04/13/2010 12:15:17 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: unclebankster

I don’t know about this ...

I know guys who were young and single (and a few who were in uniform) in Washington DC during WWII, at a time when young single women vastly outnumbered men (both single AND married). It was far from the “buyers’ market” (for guys) that everyone believes.

Even given the hypothetical scenario in this article (20+20, all single) there’s STILL going to be competition for the more desirable on both sides of the equation.


29 posted on 04/13/2010 12:16:31 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: unclebankster

isn’t sex romance when buying dinner is involved?


30 posted on 04/13/2010 12:18:15 PM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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I have a better idea. Black women should marry white men.
Beat me to it :-). Yes, that seems to be the flaw in the argument: So what if there is a shortage of decent black men if there are so many white men they could choose instead? The article seems to assume it as a given that that was totally out of the question. I wonder why? The well-known subconscious racism of the liberal probably…
31 posted on 04/13/2010 12:18:29 PM PDT by cartan
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To: throwback
Maybe black women can travel to China to pick up mail order husbands.

Hey, that might not be such a bad idea....if they can overlook with the rumored lacking in the ummm...”equipment” department of Chinese men.

32 posted on 04/13/2010 12:19:27 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: 2banana

But the simplest way to help the black family would be to
lock up fewer black men for non-violent offences.

Or the other “easy answer” - throw some more of our hard-earned tax dollars at creating programs and paying benefits to assure them that we feel adequately sorry for them. (NOT)


33 posted on 04/13/2010 12:19:49 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: unclebankster

Maybe we could consider lowering their welfare check instead of increasing it for each illegitimate child they punch out.

Or, give each one of these woman a $100, tell them to hold it tightly between their knees and for each week that $100 bill does not hit the floor, they get one @100 to spend.


34 posted on 04/13/2010 12:22:00 PM PDT by IamConservative (Liberty is all a good man needs to succeed.)
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But the simplest way to help the black family would be to lock up fewer black men for non-violent offences...

HAHAHAHAHAHA

If you are a college-educated black woman with a good job and you wish to marry a black man who is your socioeconomic equal, the odds are not good...

...and you be rasist, besides...

35 posted on 04/13/2010 12:23:22 PM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: unclebankster

Isn’t part of the problem that in a lot of black communities, men are more prized for being playas?


36 posted on 04/13/2010 12:24:37 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: unclebankster
The economist gets it wrong:

If you have 20 women and 20 men what you will get is 1 dominant male that will sell the 20 women to the other 19 men for pleasure and become a millionaire, it is called capitalism or the law of supply and demand, or better yet.......Pimping......then the other 39 people will demand that he spread his wealth equally amonst them a.k.a. welfare, Liberalism, Progressive redistribution of wealth.

37 posted on 04/13/2010 12:25:33 PM PDT by sniper63 (Bang,Bang, Maxwell's Silver hammer........)
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To: unclebankster

People who offer sex on the first date are HOES or however thats spelled. Welcome to the Slutthood.


38 posted on 04/13/2010 12:26:09 PM PDT by GeronL (Entitlement Zombies will become real zombies when the money runs out)
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To: unclebankster

Jail isn’t the problem, families being so broken up and men avoiding school leading to jail is the problem IMO.


39 posted on 04/13/2010 12:28:49 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SmokingJoe

I wouldn’t underestimate the Chinese. They must have some facility in that area; there is a billion of them.


40 posted on 04/13/2010 12:30:04 PM PDT by throwback
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To: wastoute

just one of the articles fatal flaws.


41 posted on 04/13/2010 12:30:37 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: unclebankster

I saw no reference to the black man that prefered a white woman.


42 posted on 04/13/2010 12:32:08 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“True, though I’ve also noticed that non-celebrity black guys who are with white women usually tend to be with the skanks that the white guys won’t touch.”

That is true. It’s matter of social status among black males to have a white girlfriend. It doesn’t matter how attractive (or unattractive) the white girl is. I think some black guys would ignore Hallie Barry for the nastiest trailer trash white hog woman.


43 posted on 04/13/2010 12:34:15 PM PDT by henkster (A broken government does not merit full faith and credit.)
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To: unclebankster

The solution to the problem is simple.

Incarcerate more black women. Conspiracy, aiding and abetting, concealing stolen property ....


44 posted on 04/13/2010 12:35:40 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
usually tend to be with the skanks that the white guys won't touch.

Not necessarily skanks, just gals with big butts, that brothers don't seem to actually like for some reason. "Baby got Back" and all that.

45 posted on 04/13/2010 12:38:06 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Myrddin
Liberals never consider the consequences of their foolish policies, nor do they ever take responsibility for them.

They know exactly what they created and they want it to be that way and want to expand it furthermore, much more. By destroying the black families and put a large number of them on welfare they have locked a large voting block. Liberals are evil because in order for them to obtain power they have destroyed a whole sector of the American society. They created a sector that is completely dependent on the government for survival and in return for this survival they give their vote to the liberals.

46 posted on 04/13/2010 12:39:13 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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To: 2banana

“But the simplest way to help the black family would be to lock up fewer black men for non-violent offences.”

I’m sure it’s just me, but I’m thinking that the really simplest way to help the black family would be for black males to commit fewer crimes.


47 posted on 04/13/2010 12:40:12 PM PDT by Clioman (wHAT)
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To: Myrddin

Liberals stop examining policy at the point where the REAL goal is accomplished -

when they feel good about themselves.

“Give poor people money” - I feel good!
“Support single moms” - I feel good!
“Don’t incarcerate minorities” - I feel good!


48 posted on 04/13/2010 12:40:47 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: AbeKrieger

>The problem is not with the justice system, it is with the people who decide to break the law and then, so tragically, are punished according to the law they chose - CHOSE - to break.
>
>More criminals, not less, deserve to be removed from society, black, white, or otherwise.

There is a problem, however, when you consider illegitimate laws. For example, my state has a “no firearms on universities” law [misdemeanor], HOWEVER the state’s Constitution prohibits any law abridging the right to keep and bear arms for self-defense. The aforementioned statute does exactly that.

This is not an irrelevant consideration as it leads directly to considering things like the “ex-felons cant have firearms” laws which abridge the right to self defense, or the “domestic violence” laws which can be so ill-defined that a good angry yelling-match would qualify.


49 posted on 04/13/2010 12:41:12 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: unclebankster
The state-financed, engineered and managed collapse of the traditional family

Edited.

50 posted on 04/13/2010 12:42:18 PM PDT by relictele
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