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More aboard! Amtrak weighs long route improvements
Associated Press ^ | April 14, 2010 | MATT LEINGANG

Posted on 04/14/2010 7:43:34 AM PDT by Willie Green

COLUMBUS, Ohio — In many states, travelers who take Amtrak's long-distance trains for vacations or out-of-state business trips board in the middle of the night and return home from such cities as Chicago or New York City at times that are just as inconvenient.

But some improvements are on the way. Amtrak, the country's only major passenger train system, is re-examining timetables and finding other ways to improve its 15 national routes to bring in more riders and revenue. Among those under review are two routes that dip into Ohio and are practically hidden at night, their trains passing through when most people are sleeping.

Businessman Dave Shreiner, 63, typically boards around 1:30 a.m. at a tiny Amtrak stop in Alliance, Ohio. He travels exclusively by rail half of the year, visiting clients around the U.S.

"It makes planning a trip a challenge," Shreiner said.

The push for upgrades comes as Amtrak is on pace for record ridership this year, carrying a best-ever 13.6 million passengers in the first half of fiscal year 2010. That's a 4.3-percent increase over the same period last year, and 100,000 more than 13.5 million posted in the first half of 2008, Amtrak's previous highest ridership of 28.7 million passengers.

Amtrak cites an improving economy and high fuel prices as factors in ridership growth.

President Barack Obama is also giving $8 billion in stimulus money to 13 high-speed rail projects and 31 states, though Amtrak's role in those projects is murky, since states will control the funds. Some of the projects are years away from completion.

In the meantime, Amtrak is putting all of its long-distance routes under review through 2012, including five this year.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: railroads; stimulus; transportation
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1 posted on 04/14/2010 7:43:34 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

A big improvement would be to sell off lines to local interests and run them as lines for profit. Kick the gov’t guidance out and let the market decide which lines will work and which won’t.


2 posted on 04/14/2010 7:49:29 AM PDT by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: CriticalJ
A big improvement would be to sell off lines to local interests and run them as lines for profit.

IMHO, the Government should own and maintain the actual right-of-way and rails. Private interests would then compete against each other for the opportunity to operate their rolling stock on those lines.

It is the same model upon which our roads, highways and airlines are built.
The railroads should be no different.

We don't permit airlines to "own" the air corridors,
and we don't permit trucking companies to "own" our highways.
It is an abomination to grant freight railroads monopoly control of our rail system.

3 posted on 04/14/2010 8:03:26 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Wouldn't do anything to improve passenger rail service.

The freight railroads are perfectly happy with roadbeds and rights of way which are suitable for 40-60 mph operation.

To get the trackage needed for passenger speeds (not even bullet train speeds, just the timetables that were maintained in the 40's) you'd need a massive investment by the government "owners" of the track (read: taxpayers), or by the passenger railroad itself, which could never afford it.

The only way we'll ever get better train service in America is if the airlines and the TSA finally manage to make air travel so unutterably hellish that Americans demand better trains. Those two entities are certainly on the right track (no pun intended) to achieving that result.

4 posted on 04/14/2010 8:12:21 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Mi Tio es infermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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To: Willie Green

Since states will control the funds.Get back it ain’t going to happen now.


5 posted on 04/14/2010 8:25:33 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Notary Sojac
The only way we'll ever get better train service in America is if the airlines and the TSA finally manage to make air travel so unutterably hellish that Americans demand better trains.

The rising cost of jet fuel is making short-hop air travel less economically attractive than passenger rail. Already the airlines are infuriating the customers with surcharges for "fat" passengers and carry-on luggage.

Since there is no available substitute for petroleum based jet fuel, this trend will only get worse in the future, and passenger rail will prevail on short, regional trips of 150~600 miles.

6 posted on 04/14/2010 8:26:47 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Notary Sojac
The only way we'll ever get better train service in America is if the airlines and the TSA finally manage to make air travel so unutterably hellish that Americans demand better trains. Those two entities are certainly on the right track (no pun intended) to achieving that result.

Then we'll get TSA at the train stations. To harass people there too.

7 posted on 04/14/2010 8:28:27 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (we now live in a post-Obamapacolyptic world)
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To: Willie Green

A one way trip from Minneapolis to Boston costs approx. 380$... Unless I want a small sleeping cabin about the size of my linen closet. That’s an additional 650$ for only one short leg of the trip. The trip, of course, is a mere *28* hours long with hours-long stopovers in Chicago and New York. How far would 1000$ get me on an airplane? A hell of a lot farther than Boston, that’s for sure.

Why on Earth would anyone use Amtrak for anything other than a creative way to blow time and money?

APf


8 posted on 04/14/2010 8:36:01 AM PDT by APFel (Regnum Nostrum Crescit)
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To: CriticalJ

Warren Buffet is working on that.


9 posted on 04/14/2010 8:36:21 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Willie Green

Right. Though I am not sure about the gov’t owning all rails.

By line, I didn’t mean the physical lines themselves. Just the routes, trains, etc.


10 posted on 04/14/2010 8:42:01 AM PDT by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: Willie Green

“Businessman Dave Shreiner, 63, typically boards around 1:30 a.m. at a tiny Amtrak stop in Alliance, Ohio. He travels exclusively by rail half of the year, visiting clients around the U.S.”

...wow...calling on accounts using the train...that’s really old school...like guys used to do back in the 40s and 50s before the interstate hiway system...and btw, in some cities there are still hotels next to the old train stations...back in the day, they did a lot of business with commercial travelers.


11 posted on 04/14/2010 8:54:17 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: Willie Green

Just out of curiosity, I looked at an AMTRAK vacation. I could buy airfare and hotel for a week in Europe or a 5 day cruise for what the AMTRAK fare alone would cost to go most anywhere. The prospect of having to leave or return at 3 am made the deal even less attractive. It’s too bad as when I was a kid my family took several train vacations when there was still top notch rail service and the experience was memorable.


12 posted on 04/14/2010 8:55:29 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: Willie Green
Businessman Dave Shreiner, 63, typically boards around 1:30 a.m. at a tiny Amtrak stop in Alliance, Ohio. He travels exclusively by rail half of the year, visiting clients around the U.S.

???

He travels all across the US, for six months of the year -- and he "typically" boards at 1:30 AM in Alliance, Ohio? That makes no sense.

13 posted on 04/14/2010 9:01:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Willie Green
. . . the Government should own and maintain the actual right-of-way and rails. Private interests would then compete against each other for the opportunity to operate their rolling stock on those lines.

What could possibly go wrong?

14 posted on 04/14/2010 9:08:36 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Willie Green
IMHO, the Government should own and maintain the actual right-of-way and rails. Private interests would then compete against each other for the opportunity to operate their rolling stock on those lines.

You and I think alike, my friend. Providing infrastructure is a legitimate activity of a government. Providing services is not.

15 posted on 04/14/2010 9:13:25 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Willie Green

Unfortunately rail service is still inconvenient, slow, and costs as much as a plane ticket.

The grey dog isn’t any better but you get the joy of nasty, scary passengers and stations.


16 posted on 04/14/2010 9:51:19 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There's one in every crowd...would that someone please raise his hand to save us all some time?)
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To: Eagle Eye
Unfortunately rail service is still inconvenient, slow, and costs as much as a plane ticket.

That's precisely why we need to invest the funds to upgrade and improve performance to modern, 21st Century standars.

17 posted on 04/14/2010 10:09:04 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green; All

and yet you call your self a conservative..


18 posted on 04/14/2010 4:28:59 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Jesus Saves... Allah Kills...)
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To: Willie Green

Paris and Madrid and New York and Chicago are almost exactly the same distance apart (about 780 miles). A nice little research project would be to compare train trips for these two locations comparing
- cost
- time
- frequency
- reliability (on time arrivals)

Then factor in a fudge factor for how nice the trip would be - how good is the food, how clean are the trains, how safe you would feel making the trip etc. etc.

My guess is that the results would be quite dramatic i.e. dramatically different.


19 posted on 04/14/2010 4:38:55 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Amtrak's quickest/cheapest direct route NYC to Chicago is the Lake Shoe Ltd at $86 for a one-way 19 hr trip. (reserved coach seat) It looks like this train operates once a day.
There are two other options involving transfers to a second train, one in Pittsburgh and one in DC. Those trips take about 23 hrs, including the layover to change trains. Fares for the other routes are also slightly higher ($100~120 or + $25~40 if upgrading to business class)

Euro Railways Paris to Madrid is faster (about 13½ hrs) but also more expensive (cheapest fare I spotted was $130 for a Tourist Passholder fare, but can quickly escalate to $300, $500 or even $850 for the more plush amenities. Click on the link if you want more information. I'm unfamiliar with scheduling European rail travel and am uncertain about how to interpret this info.

But you're right, it is a bit of a surprise!

20 posted on 04/14/2010 8:11:31 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green

I have a 1 ton diesel truck, a luxury fifth-wheel trailer and freedom of choice/movement.

Why should I give that up in exchange for your liberal-socialist illusion of utopia?

I know AMTRAK offers free WIFI; but I really don’t want to sit in a cattle car next to a pervert downloading porn.


21 posted on 04/14/2010 8:16:31 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: APFel; Willie Green
Why on Earth would anyone use Amtrak for anything other than a creative way to blow time and money?

They offer free wifi!

22 posted on 04/14/2010 8:19:02 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
Why should I give that up in exchange for your liberal-socialist illusion of utopia?
Promoting passenger rail transportation systems to improve national security by decreasing our dependence on imported oil is NOT a liberal-socialist illusion, you Grizzled TWIT.
23 posted on 04/14/2010 8:30:14 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
Promoting passenger rail transportation systems to improve national security by decreasing our dependence on imported oil is NOT a liberal-socialist illusion, you Grizzled TWIT.

Willie. You've posted since 1998 and you still don't know the rules!

Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.

Please run along and enjoy downloading pornography with your free wifi.

Personally, I'd rather drill and exploit our own resources. Afterall, the Chinese are drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Why the hell shouldn't we?

Them Chinese are pretty smart. They know how to make their subjects take the train!

24 posted on 04/14/2010 8:36:32 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
Willie. You've posted since 1998 and you still don't know the rules!
Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.

Hmmmmmm... perhaps "twit" is a bit harsh...
"Grizzled Pansy" is much more accurate...

Personally, I'd rather drill and exploit our own resources. Afterall, the Chinese are drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Why the hell shouldn't we?

As much as I'd also like to see us drill offshore and in ANWR, I don't suffer any delusional expectation that the current regulatory restrictions will be eliminated quickly enough to reduce our dependence on imports. We need to curtail our consumption as well. And since transportation is our primary use for petroleum, passenger rail transport in our most densely populated regions is an obvious part of the solution.

25 posted on 04/14/2010 9:05:51 PM PDT by Willie Green ("Grizzled Diaper Baby" would work as well.)
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To: Willie Green

1. Interesting data.
2. I imagine when you said “Lake Shoe Ltd.” you meant to say “Lake Shore Ltd.”?
3. So their (Europe’s) trains are faster, and more expensive?

Another example of “you get what you pay for”, then. I took a train from Paris to Madrid once - it was in 1978 - took all night and a good bit of the next day. You had to change trains at Hendaye/Irun because the Spanish rail gauge was different from the French - I think this date back to the Franco era - Franco figured this would keep the French from invading LOL.


26 posted on 04/15/2010 5:43:56 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
2. I imagine when you said “Lake Shoe Ltd.” you meant to say “Lake Shore Ltd.”?

There's a rational explanation for that:

  1. I have a crappy old computer with a worn-out keyboard.
  2. I have crappy old eyes with worn-out bifocals.
  3. I had a crappy day yesterday and was feeling all worn-out.
  4. All of the above.

ǝʌoqɐ ǝɥʇ ɟo llɐ (p sı ɹǝʍsuɐ ʇɔǝɹɹoɔ ǝɥʇ

3. So their (Europe’s) trains are faster, and more expensive?
Yeah, but from what I've heard, owning/driving a car is even worse... not only very high fuel taxes, but also very high fees for getting a driver's license and stuff like that. Of course that probably differs from country to country and I could be misinformed. But that's the impression that I have.
27 posted on 04/15/2010 6:14:19 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
...Government should own and maintain the actual right-of-way and rails.

Yeah, and then railroads could become as efficient as those other government owned businesses, such as ...

28 posted on 04/15/2010 6:24:21 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
Such as our Interstate Highways and Air Traffic control system.

What's the matter, Mr. Lucky?
Are you too intellectually lazy to finish your sentences and tell the truth???

29 posted on 04/15/2010 6:43:02 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

Agree with all your points. Sorry about your day yesterday. To some degree, the US is going to become more like Europe - not saying we should - but anyone can see it coming.


30 posted on 04/15/2010 6:53:42 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Willie Green
Actually, I was thinking of the very New York to Chicago rail line which now handles the Amtrak service you seem to like so much. (The route, by the way, is 960 miles in length, not the 780 you imagined).

When there was a real world market demand, the privately owned New York Central operated the 20th Century Limited in 15 1/2 hours, and it always ran on time. Now that the government operates the service, the Lake Shore Limited is scheduled at 19 1/2 hours and is never on time.

A smarmy demeanor is a poor substitute for knowing what your talking about.

31 posted on 04/15/2010 7:01:58 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
A smarmy demeanor is a poor substitute for knowing what your talking about.

The New York Central fell victim to post-WWII government subsidy of the airline industry and Interstate Highway System.

Your misleading assertion that the service decline is due to government operation is deserving of ridicule.

We no longer live in the 1950s era of cheap, plentiful Oil.
Quite the contrary, $4/gal OPEC profits are subsidized by American military blood that's shed to subdue the jihadists.
We need to do everything we can to reduce our addiction to imported oil. Utilizing energy efficient passenger rail in our more densely populated regions is an obvious step in the right direction.

32 posted on 04/15/2010 7:32:26 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
The New York Central fell victim to post-WWII government subsidy of the airline industry and Interstate Highway System.

Trains are not as crucial for national defense as having planes and having an efficient way to transport military supplies in case of war. That was the main factor in subsidizing the airline industry and the Interstate highways over trains.

33 posted on 04/15/2010 7:35:57 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Willie Green
Broad, poorly thought out, socio-political platitudes are, apparently, a perfectly acceptable substitute for a smarmy demeanor.

Private rail service faltered because of the heavy hand of government regulation. When that hand was lifted, private rail freight service flourished because the market demanded it. If there is a market demand for rail passenger service, lifting the dead hand of the government would allow private business to provide that service as well.

The historical fact remains that when there was a market for rail passenger service, private industry not only provided it, but provided it with greater comfort, speed and efficiency than the government does 60 years, and Billions of taxpayer subsidies, later.

34 posted on 04/15/2010 7:43:55 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
The historical fact remains that
that private transportation stagnates unless stimulated by government subsidy...It was government that developed our inland waterways with canals, locks and dams,It was government who subsidized the the railroads with land grants,
And it was government who subsidized passenger airline travel with municipal airports, the federal air traffic control system, national weather service and, of course, military aircraft R&D.
35 posted on 04/15/2010 8:10:59 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
You don't really know a thing about railroads, now do you?

The government "stimulation" of American railroads almost killed them. The US now has a very efficient and profitable national rail system precisely because the government is no longer involved in pricing, service and investment decisions.

36 posted on 04/15/2010 8:43:49 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
The US now has a very efficient and profitable national rail system precisely because the government is no longer involved in pricing, service and investment decisions.
Those actions are regulatory, not stimulative, nitwit.
And they were necessitated by practices that were not in the national interest: local and regional mopolistic freight rates in restraint of trade, petty territorial disputes that hindered national security in time of war.

Trucking companies do not own our highways.
Airlines do not own our air corridors or airports.
Riverboat/barge companies do not own our rivers, locks & dams.
Freight railroads should NOT own the tracks or railroad right-of-way.

37 posted on 04/15/2010 9:23:44 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

Which rail lines, specifically, do you think the government would be a better steward of than the current private owner and what, specifically, would the government owner do differently or better than the current private owner?


38 posted on 04/15/2010 10:45:41 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Willie Green; KevinDavis; The Great RJ; APFel; NeoCaveman
We need to curtail our consumption as well. And since transportation is our primary use for petroleum, passenger rail transport in our most densely populated regions is an obvious part of the solution.

Most of our densely populated inner city regions already have subways and elevated trains. Their passengers mugging/rape/murder victims enjoy the convenience and tender ministrations of their enthusiastic fellow riders. I guess that mission is accomplished. Your work is done, Willie.

A few years ago, John Kerry lobbied unsuccessfully for a tax on gasoline. He said the purpose of this tax was to change public behavior, specifically to discourage the use of motor vehicles and encourage mass transit. Would you support a two dollar per gallon tax on gasoline if the revenue supported your precious trains?

I really don't expect an answer. You've ran out of intelligible arguments to support your ideas and, as usual, turned to Alinsky insults and misdirection. Pitch a fit like you always do when called out as the liberal you are. It won't make a difference. Everyone can see you are a socialist. You claim to be a conservative, but your philosophies are in line with the Progressive/Socialist-Libs who struggle to destroy our freedom.

39 posted on 04/15/2010 5:21:53 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Ping to my post #39.


40 posted on 04/15/2010 5:24:10 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: Grizzled Bear; All

Also what I’m seeing is that more companies are moving away from the cities and into the suburbs... Also telecommuting is on the rise..


41 posted on 04/15/2010 5:25:52 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Jesus Saves... Allah Kills...)
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To: Grizzled Bear
Would you support a two dollar per gallon tax on gasoline if the revenue supported your precious trains?

Don't be silly, Grizzled Twit.
As a true conservative, I expect the price of gasoline to become prohibitive all on its own as global demand exceeds Peak Oil supply. Of course you've already planted your head firmly up your butt and are either gullible enough to think that our planet has an infinite supply of Oil or simply stupid enough to not comprehend the market economics of supply and demand.

My advocacy of passenger rail systems is merely an effort to build the necessary infrastructure BEFORE Peak Oil cripples our economy.

I really don't expect an answer. You've ran out of intelligible arguments to support your ideas and, as usual, turned to Alinsky insults and misdirection. Pitch a fit like you always do when called out as the liberal you are. It won't make a difference. Everyone can see you are a socialist. ...

(((yawn)))
Typical partisan pot/kettle/black idiocy.
You're obviously the type of mental midget who lowers the intellectual level of this forum. If FR provided a "bozo filter", you'd be on it.

42 posted on 04/15/2010 5:58:19 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Grizzled Bear
My advocacy of passenger rail systems is merely an effort to build the necessary infrastructure BEFORE Peak Oil cripples our economy.

Buttom line: I advocate investment in modern, efficient transportation infrastructure that will make our economy more productive and competitive in the 21st Century. While you take the lazy lardass maintain the status quo do nothing approach.

You are a nonproductive and noncompetitive LOSER and luddite.

43 posted on 04/15/2010 6:46:17 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green; KevinDavis; The Great RJ; APFel; NeoCaveman; Mr. Lucky; darkwing104; Old Sarge
Don't be silly, Grizzled Twit.

Of course you've already planted your head firmly up your butt and are either gullible enough to think that our planet has an infinite supply of Oil or simply stupid enough to not comprehend the market economics of supply and demand.

Typical partisan pot/kettle/black idiocy.

You're obviously the type of mental midget who lowers the intellectual level of this forum. If FR provided a "bozo filter", you'd be on it.

Your penchant for insults demonstrates your lack of any concrete foundation for your argument and reveals a diminished capacity for any rational exchange of ideas. Your slavish devotion to Alinsky stratagem is already old.

Saul Alinsky's Power Tactic #5

"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."

You should have read on to Tactic #7

"A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."

Willie, your insults and misdirections are a drag. Read the replies from the many posters on your threads. You can't help but notice most of them recognize you for what you are; a one trick pony with a crippled leg.

Please provide a link to any comment in which I've claimed (in your words), "our planet has an infinite supply of Oil" You can't produce one because you are a liar and a fraud. You're attempting to discredit me by framing my argument into a position I do not hold. That's another Alinsky practice.

Willie, you understand market economics perfectly well. That's why you want to steal other people's money; it's the only way you'll bankroll your bizarre train fetish. The free market does not want passenger trains subsidized by Uncle Sugars teat. If the market wanted it, the free market would finance a large scale, cross country, high speed passenger rail system. You want the government to seize the land and treasure of others. That's the only way you will have your socialist AMTRAK subsidy, "other people's money." You're no different from Obama, Pelosi and Reid as they try to force the government takeover of our health care.

If you want to force people into rail cars, you're about 80 years too late. You'd fit right in with those train enthusiasts.

44 posted on 04/15/2010 7:02:58 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: Willie Green
...While you take the lazy lardass maintain the status quo do nothing approach.

You are a nonproductive and noncompetitive LOSER and luddite.

Have you ever been able to debate without resorting to trollish insults and personal attacks?

You've only managed to demonstrate how your ideas and arguments are empty, hollow and without merit.

Move to Cuba, Zimbabwe or Venezuela and enjoy your socialist paradise.

45 posted on 04/15/2010 7:06:50 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: Willie Green
While you take the lazy lardass maintain the status quo do nothing approach.

You are a nonproductive and noncompetitive LOSER and luddite.

Willie,

I'm guessing you have a strong interest in "change," vs "maintaining the status quo"; in fact, you seem very "hope"ful about it.

"Hope" and "Change." Where have I heard that before? You also seem obsessed with the productivity of others. Tell me, what do you and your socialist brethren intend to do to those they deem "non-productive?" Don't your fellows refer to them as "useless eaters?"

46 posted on 04/15/2010 7:39:51 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
"Hope" and "Change." Where have I heard that before?

Ronald Reagan.

Tell me, what do you and your socialist brethren intend to do to those they deem "non-productive?" Don't your fellows refer to them as "useless eaters?"

No, that terminology must be part of YOUR pot/kettle/black lexicon, Grizzled Twit.
As a bona-fide politically incorrect knuckle-dragging paleocon, my pitchfork is much more blunt. I simply call a spade-a-spade and use a more traditional term like I called you: "lazy lardass".

And while I believe in providing Christian Charity to those who truly need it, I have little patience with lazy lardasses who do nothing but squat and obstruct the productive efforts of others. I don't care what happens to those parasites as long as they get the hell out of the way.

47 posted on 04/16/2010 5:48:09 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Grizzled Bear

An immature railfan with a potty mouth is a force to behold.


48 posted on 04/16/2010 6:41:53 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
An immature railfan with a potty mouth is a force to behold.

Another dumbass libtard troll shows up to push my hot bottons.
Go crawl back under your rock, bonehead. I'm quite capable of expressing my conservative discontent with the GOP without your disruptive "help".

49 posted on 04/16/2010 7:17:53 AM PDT by Willie Green (Good grief... as if these idiots don't realize how transparent they are after all these years.)
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To: Willie Green; Grizzled Bear
Apparently you're not capable of much other than ignorant blabbering on a subject you know very little about.

The suggestion, on a free market web site, that the federal government should seize privately owned infrastructure so that its use could be allocated to the whimsy of rail fans rather than to the transportation of freight would be frightening if it weren't so laughable.

That you have no experience whatever in the railroad industry is obvious; that you're unable to engage in civil discourse is even more so.

50 posted on 04/16/2010 7:25:40 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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