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Judge tells Mississippi schools to stop segregating
Reuters.com ^ | 04/13/10 | Jeremy Pelofsky

Posted on 04/14/2010 2:29:07 PM PDT by jerry557

A U.S. judge on Tuesday ordered a rural Mississippi school district to comply with a nearly 40-year-old order and halt long-disputed practices that led to racial segregation in its schools.

The Justice Department accused the Walthall County School District in Mississippi of annually permitting more than 300 students, most of them white, to transfer to a school outside of their residential area, shifting its racial makeup.

Further, administrators at three other schools grouped most of the white students into their own classrooms "resulting in significant numbers of segregated all-black classrooms at each grade level," the U.S. government said in a court filing.

The case comes in a state that was at the heart of the U.S. civil rights movement in the 1960s. In 1964, three civil rights workers were murdered in Mississippi, an incident that helped prompt Congress to pass a law banning racial segregation in schools, work and public places.

The school district was ordered in 1970 to stop segregating its schools. But in the late 1980s officials were confronted by the Justice Department with concerns about student transfers to other schools that undermined the desegregation efforts.

While the district made some changes in the early 1990s, the Justice Department said the practices continued and the schools became "significantly more segregated." The district did not respond to the government's lawsuit seeking reforms.

In fact, the county school board in 2009 rejected a tentative settlement with the government that would have overhauled the district's transfer policy and prevented students being assigned to classrooms based on race.

On Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Tom Lee, in Jackson, Mississippi, ordered the school district to significantly limit transfers. Lee also ordered the district to stop assigning students to classrooms that resulted in segregation, demanding that it use a software program to randomly assign them.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: judge; mississippi; schools; segregation

1 posted on 04/14/2010 2:29:08 PM PDT by jerry557
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To: jerry557

Has any good been wrought from desegregation?


2 posted on 04/14/2010 2:31:26 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: DonaldC
Yes.
"Separate is inherently unequal".
So said SCOTUS and they were right.

Now, if we're talking about bussing ...
3 posted on 04/14/2010 2:34:33 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: jerry557
annually permitting more than 300 students, most of them white, to transfer to a school outside of their residential area

"Freedom of association is guaranteed by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The relevant portion states, “Congress shall make no law . . . abridging . . . the right of the people peaceably to assemble.”" (link)

4 posted on 04/14/2010 2:37:01 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: DonaldC

Lots of schoolbus drivers have employed.


5 posted on 04/14/2010 2:37:04 PM PDT by razorback-bert (So many questions, so few answers about Barry.)
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To: All

In other words, whitey must sacrifice their children to the gods of PoliticalCorrectness...


6 posted on 04/14/2010 2:39:35 PM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: jerry557
who exactly is hurt if blacks choose to stay in a majority black school and whites choose to move to a majority white school?

Why is this only an issue with schools? I have never heard a single person ever complain that most blacks voluntarily choose to go to black churches... does it not occur to these judges that maybe just maybe people prefer to be around their own kind when given a choice. I have absolutely nothing against blacks, but I would be lying if I said I would feel comfortable attending a school where I was one of the few white kids. Maybe that makes me racist, heck I don't even care anymore.

7 posted on 04/14/2010 2:43:41 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: jdirt; Vietnam Vet From New Mexico; wardaddy; KLT; montesquiue; Downsouth55; Michael Knight; ...

Mississippi ping


8 posted on 04/14/2010 2:45:39 PM PDT by WKB (From "Handout" to "Bailout")
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To: SJSAMPLE

“Separate is inherently unequal”.

If students were being placed in a certain class based on skill set, would it still be unequal? The article doesn’t go into this, and it may not even be a factor. I am just wondering if anyone knows how this would be viewed legally.


9 posted on 04/14/2010 2:45:47 PM PDT by southernsunshine
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To: Greysard
who can blame white students?...look at the Philly schools where Asians regularly get beaten up and nothing is done about it at all.....

its not safe to be white among blacks or asians among blacks or even hispanic among blacks....its not safe and no real parent would let their child be in that environment...

10 posted on 04/14/2010 2:47:07 PM PDT by cherry
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To: southernsunshine

Brown v. Board of Education was about racial segregation.

Segregation by skill is acceptable and has never been challenged.


11 posted on 04/14/2010 2:48:57 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: jerry557

Oh, Lord. Mississippi schools are already segregated - they’re called ACADEMIES.

Plus, Jackson has been trying to annex local surrounding areas for a long time in order to “spread the wealth” (or the dearth) of South Jackson students.

Tell them to “desegregate” South Jackson, Pt. Gibson, or Canton schools and stop treating the white teachers who are giving their all to help black kids succeed like trash.


12 posted on 04/14/2010 2:58:23 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: jerry557
In fact, the county school board in 2009 rejected a tentative settlement with the government that would have overhauled the district's transfer policy and prevented students being assigned to classrooms based on race.

On Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Tom Lee, in Jackson, Mississippi, ordered the school district to significantly limit transfers. Lee also ordered the district to stop assigning students to classrooms that resulted in segregation, demanding that it use a software program to randomly assign them.

Note that not assigning students to classrooms based on race and not assigning students to classrooms in a way that results in segregation are not the same thing.

I completely agree that students should not be assigned to classrooms based on race. I do not agree on randomly assigning students to classrooms.

When I attended elementary school there were grouped according to their abilities. Students that were struggling were grouped together, and students that were excelling were grouped together. If you were near the top of the group you were in they moved you up. If you were struggling in the group you were in they moved you down to where you would be taught at a pace that was of more benefit to you.

In higher grades the classes you chose to take tended to have much of the same effect.

School policies need to be colorblind.

There is definitely a problem of underachievement by some minority groups in schools. Some of it has do do with poor family support. Some of it has to do with a lack of hope which leaves students with the perception that there is little incentive to work hard.

I've known too many people of different races that have excelled to believe the poor performance in intrinsic to people of a particular race. I however don't know how to solve the problem.

I do know that the solution is not to randomly form classes so that teachers are forced to bore a large portion of the class to death while leaving another large portion in the dust because the level of learning amongh the students differs too much.

13 posted on 04/14/2010 3:00:55 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Thud

We are going to see more private schools in Mississippi.


14 posted on 04/14/2010 3:01:17 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: SJSAMPLE

Thank you for the answer!

“Lee also ordered the district to stop assigning students to classrooms that resulted in segregation, demanding that it use a software program to randomly assign them.”

The above quote from the article is what caught my eye in reference to skill set. Friends that teach relay to me how hard it is, for teachers and students alike, when a class isn’t assigned by individual skill. It has nothing to do with race. Perhaps the software (of which there are many),which the judge has ordered, is programmed to adjust for skill set.


15 posted on 04/14/2010 3:01:56 PM PDT by southernsunshine
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To: Dark Wing
MSM reporting of anything legal is so bad it is hard to figure out what is really going on, but this point is telling:

"The Justice Department accused the Walthall County School District in Mississippi of annually permitting more than 300 students, most of them white, to transfer to a school outside of their residential area..."

Assigning white and black students to different classes in the same school might be the result of objective sorting by ability, but transfer of most white students to other districts, or vice versa, looks mighty like intentional segregation by race.

The district's position, if ability is the justification for transferring most white students out, has to be that its instructional abilities are so low that it can't educate the better students. Somehow I doubt that.

16 posted on 04/14/2010 3:18:02 PM PDT by Thud
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To: jerry557
It is because of policies like this that Mississippi has the highest education level, the highest income and the highest life expectancy of all 50 states.
17 posted on 04/14/2010 3:32:19 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Birds of a feather flock together. A very old, but 100% accurate statement.


18 posted on 04/14/2010 3:35:58 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

When I was in the military ‘63-’67, I noticed in every mess hall I was ever in, that blacks and whites voluntarily segregated themselves in seating.

Did any other vet notice this phenomenon?


19 posted on 04/14/2010 3:40:33 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney, not now, not ever!)
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To: southernsunshine
If students were being placed in a certain class based on skill set, would it still be unequal?

I've read right here at F.R., that some school districts are punishing students on a quota system now, after complaints that blacks were receiving a disproportionate amount of punishment, based solely on numbers.

20 posted on 04/14/2010 3:44:06 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney, not now, not ever!)
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To: Graybeard58

It’s not just the military. Blacks and whites voluntarily segregate themselves where I work. Most of us have been working side-by-side for decades but at lunch the blacks sit together and the whites sit together. We are all friends but when we are on our time, most of us sit with our own kind, with few exceptions. It just happens and nobody cares.


21 posted on 04/14/2010 3:49:21 PM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: Thud

“MSM reporting of anything legal is so bad it is hard to figure out what is really going on, but this point is telling:”

How true! And your post clued me into the rest of what I find puzzling about this article. It all depends on if the state allows school transfers. And this is a major point which the article does not mention.

The state I reside in does not allow school transfers out of your residential district. However, a neighboring state does. All that is required is for a parent to request a transfer to a different district and the request is granted.

Thank you for your post so I could see what I am missing:)


22 posted on 04/14/2010 4:11:25 PM PDT by southernsunshine
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To: jerry557

In a way they are saying a black kid can’t learn unless a white kid is sitting next to them.


23 posted on 04/14/2010 4:11:36 PM PDT by timeflies
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To: Graybeard58

I read the same aritcle(s), Graybeard. Can’t remember what state it’s in. Seems to me that PC is waaaaay out of control and is destroying everything in it’s path.


24 posted on 04/14/2010 4:15:30 PM PDT by southernsunshine
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To: TexasFreeper2009
What about black universities... black caucus... black law enforcement organizations etc. I am sick of this separation thing with blacks... either you are an American or get the hell out now!

LLS

25 posted on 04/14/2010 4:36:55 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: jerry557

Many well-informed blacks, particularly in the south, who want to improve their kids college possibilities, send their kids to private all black intermediate and high schools, where the parents know they will not be coddled and will be expected to perform. Overwhelming majorities of students from those private “segregated” schools go on to college.

And why not; most “public schools” epitomize “lowered” expectations so everyone feels they “passed”.

The biggest form of racism is the Liberal belief that “desegregation in education” automatically equals “quality of education”. It’s racist because it tells a black child their education is “better” just because they sit next to w white child. It was always a lie.

Does that mean that segregation is intrinsically good, intrinsically a moral good? No.

But it does mean that “desegregation”, as a policy sledge-hammer, a blind social engineering policy in all venues at all times, remains a policy divorced from its own negative unforeseen consequences.

1994: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n23_v86/ai_15869565/

1998: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-493628841.html

2004: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/19/education/19education.html?pagewanted=1

and after high school

http://www.blackcollegesearch.com/schools.htm

But, what’s to complain about, concerning tho url-links above, since we really believe in Life, LIBERTY and the Pursuit of Happiness above all else?

and for further reading

“The Education of Minority Children” by Thomas Sowell

at: http://www.tsowell.com/speducat.html


26 posted on 04/14/2010 5:19:29 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Why is this only an issue with schools?

The courts decided to institute a law by fiat that every child in the country legally or illegally has a right to a publicly financed education. It is a means for the state to attempt to control the inhabitants by overseeing mandatory education centers. The result of this most recent ruling is likely to be more "white flight" from failing black majority neighborhoods or home schooling for those too poor or stubborn to flee.

27 posted on 04/14/2010 7:49:13 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: jerry557

they’s miscegenatin’!!


28 posted on 04/14/2010 7:50:45 PM PDT by mo
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To: jerry557

Better to homeschool. The public schools are in bad shape now, and even some private schools. Kids gone wild.


29 posted on 04/14/2010 11:58:07 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Thud

From my reading, it seems that the students are requesting a transfer out of the district and the district is granting them. They may have had the policy that they would grant transfers as long as students were willing to commute.

It must be a terrible district and the exodus is just too much to ignore. 300 students out of the district would have been 10% of the district where I went to school.


30 posted on 04/15/2010 12:10:40 AM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for, it matters who takes office.)
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To: Thud

I have no issue with this. This is no different from forced integration.


31 posted on 04/15/2010 12:15:04 AM PDT by BenKenobi ("we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be")
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To: trumandogz

BWHAHAHA!


32 posted on 04/15/2010 12:58:58 AM PDT by Daffynition ( In the span of one man's lifetime, only the individual has any potential - not the collective.)
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To: jerry557
Sheff vs O'Neill
33 posted on 04/15/2010 1:05:53 AM PDT by Daffynition ( In the span of one man's lifetime, only the individual has any potential - not the collective.)
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To: AmishDude

There are many potentially critical facts, which is why legal reporting is so difficult.


34 posted on 04/15/2010 8:12:09 AM PDT by Thud
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