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Should gay priests adopt? (Ann Coulter at her finest!)
Townhall ^ | April 15, 2010 | Ann Coulter

Posted on 04/15/2010 5:41:55 AM PDT by NYer

Despite the growing media consensus that Catholicism causes sodomy, an alternative view -- adopted by the Boy Scouts -- is that sodomites cause sodomy. (Assume all the usual disclaimers here about most gay men not molesting boys, most Muslims being peaceful, and so on.)

It is a fact that the vast majority of the abuser priests -- more than 90 percent -- are accused of molesting teen-age boys. Indeed, the overwhelmingly homosexual nature of the abuse prompted The New York Times to engage in its classic "Where's Waldo" reporting style, in which the sex of the victims is studiedly hidden amid a torrent of genderless words, such as the "teen-ager," the "former student," the "victim" and the "accuser."

Meanwhile, no spate of sex scandals is engulfing the Boy Scouts of America. Inasmuch as the Boy Scouts were not taking risk-assessment advice from Norman Mineta, they decided to eliminate a whole category of potential problems by refusing to allow gay men to be scout leaders. Perhaps gay scout leaders just really liked camping. But it was also possible that gay men who wanted to lead troops of adolescent boys into the woods were up to no good.

For their politically incorrect risk-assessment technique, the Boy Scouts were denounced as troglodyte bigots in all outlets of appropriate liberal opinion. Cities and states across the country dropped their support for the scouts. The United Way, Chase Manhattan Bank and Textron withdrew millions of dollars in contributions.

And hell hath no fury like a New York Times editor spurned. The Times denounced the Supreme Court decision merely permitting the Boy Scouts to refuse gay scoutmasters as one of the court's "lowest moments." The Times "ethicist" advised readers that pulling their sons out of the Boy Scouts was "the ethical thing to do."

Since liberals categorically reject the notion that homosexual conduct is often correlated with homosexuality, they have responded to the gay sex abuse crisis in the priesthood by blaming Catholicism. In particular, liberals have identified the church's celibacy requirement as the root of the problem.

There is absolutely no logic to this theory. It is nothing more than liberals reacting to the concept of sexual restraint like "The Exorcist's" Linda Blair did to holy water. If they had succeeded in turning the Boy Scouts into a gay rights re-education camp, we'd be reading that camping causes sodomy now.

Even in the midst of the Catholic Church's current scandals -- including decades-old cases -- the Catholic clergy has about the same percentage of perverts as the Yale faculty. There are more than 45,000 priests in America and, so far, 55 exposed abusers. There are 836 tenured professors at Yale, and one proved child molester -- convicted just last month.

That's still a higher percentage than the Boy Scouts, but the point is: It's not going to be easy to blame celibacy.

Moreover, when did celibacy become a gay-magnet? It may lack the Boy Scouts' direct approach, but the church isn't exactly passing out Liza Minnelli posters by demanding sexual abstinence.

Most stunningly, if celibacy is to blame, this is a show-stopping, Nobel Prize-winning discovery overturning years of liberal claptrap. In all other circumstances, it is punishable by death to suggest that sexual behavior is not determined at birth or that gays can be "cured." Now liberals are hawking the idea that gay priests could have been cured by marriage!

It's nice to see liberals becoming such big marriage-boosters. Too bad their newfound respect for marriage -- an eminently dissolvable agreement, rescindable by either party without cause or notice -- is limited to gays and priests.

Blaming celibacy is not only contrary to various liberal dogmas, but contrary to all known evidence about any vice. Total avoidance, not limited temptation, is the only hope for controlling weakness. Alcoholics cannot have a drop of alcohol. Former smokers cannot have just one cigarette. Problem gamblers must avoid the racetrack.

Only in the case of sex do liberals refuse to countenance abstinence. Small doses of sex are supposed to provide a needed "release." The "release" theory is disproved every time a child molester's home is searched, invariably unearthing enormous stockpiles of child pornography. None of this ever gives liberals pause. Celibacy is always bad, sex is always good.

The Catholic sex scandals have also prompted liberals to drop their demand that no discussion of a crime occur until there has been a final conviction proved to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt after a full trial. We had witnesses, gifts, phone records, White House logs and taped evidence on Bill Clinton. But still NBC's Matt Lauer shouted "Allegedly! Allegedly!" at any suggestion that Clinton had, in fact, had sexual relations with "that woman."

Indeed, most of the allegations against the priests do not even constitute "sexual relations" on the Democratic Party's definition.

At least we finally have The New York Times on record opposing sexual activity between men and boys. Evidently the only men the Times thinks should not be fondling teen-agers are those who purport to believe in God.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: altereddate; boyscouts; catholic; columndate03212002; homosexual; sodomy

1 posted on 04/15/2010 5:41:55 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 04/15/2010 5:42:28 AM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

Ann at her finest

and so much for the liberal argument that if these pedophile priests had wives they’d leave the altar boys alone


3 posted on 04/15/2010 5:44:15 AM PDT by silverleaf (Karl Marx was NOT one of America's Founding Fathers)
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To: NYer

no , no homosexuals should be allowed to get and buy kids. Homosexuality is a mental disorder.

Those priests were homosexuals, they touched the same sex in a sexual way so not only was this a church problem but also a homosexual problem of which the MSM again tried to cover up and not add to their child abuse figures


4 posted on 04/15/2010 5:44:43 AM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: NYer

So what happens when a non-celibate priest is found out? Do they generally get the Catholic equivalent of a dishonorable discharge?


5 posted on 04/15/2010 5:45:55 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: silverleaf

tis was not just a church problem it is a homosexual problem despite the MSM trying to cover it up for them.

When a man touches the same sex he is a homosexual or engaged in homosexual acts. plain and simple.
I hope the church fights back and states this because their allies in the media will not.


6 posted on 04/15/2010 5:48:37 AM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: manc

Damn sh’s good.


7 posted on 04/15/2010 5:50:10 AM PDT by gthog61
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To: pnh102
Do they generally get the Catholic equivalent of a dishonorable discharge?

No, and THAT is the problem. I don't think Catholics have any more perverts than the Baptists or anyone else, it just seems like they want to cover it up more.

8 posted on 04/15/2010 5:50:28 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: NYer

Original date: March 21, 2002


9 posted on 04/15/2010 5:51:46 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: NYer
Assume all the usual disclaimers here about most gay men not molesting boys ...

Why? Would it not be reasonable to say that most "gay" men have participated in homosexual activity either *as* minors, *with* minors, or both? Perhaps the statistics aren't available to prove it, but the logic is sound, imo.

Indeed, most of the allegations against the priests do not even constitute "sexual relations" on the Democratic Party's definition.

Most of the allegations, as far as I can tell, involved what's known as "consensual activity" in most other contexts. That's what they call it when teenagers are doing anything with a pulse in middle school. "Sex-positive," y'all. Can't be judgmental.

10 posted on 04/15/2010 5:56:03 AM PDT by Tax-chick (There's a perfectly good island somewhere.)
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To: NYer
Another great article Ann ...

pics as per da rulz

11 posted on 04/15/2010 5:58:01 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: NYer

bttt


12 posted on 04/15/2010 5:58:06 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Izzy Dunne
No, and THAT is the problem.

Do you base that broad comment on opinion or evidence?

13 posted on 04/15/2010 6:01:54 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: NYer
"Even in the midst of the Catholic Church's current scandals -- including decades-old cases -- the Catholic clergy has about the same percentage of perverts as the Yale faculty. There are more than 45,000 priests in America and, so far, 55 exposed abusers. There are 836 tenured professors at Yale, and one proved child molester -- convicted just last month. That's still a higher percentage than the Boy Scouts, but the point is: It's not going to be easy to blame celibacy." - Ann Coulter

This comparison is devastatingly brilliant.

14 posted on 04/15/2010 6:02:22 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Izzy Dunne
No, the Catholic Church is just put under a microscope and the stories from the 70’s are still in play in the media today. The liberals want to destroy the church and they are doing this with media bias. From your tone, it sounds like their plan is working very well.
15 posted on 04/15/2010 6:03:04 AM PDT by Angry_White_Man_Syndrome
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To: NYer

Shame on me. I should know better than to read Ann’s column while eating scrambled eggs.


16 posted on 04/15/2010 6:03:07 AM PDT by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: NYer

1 Timothy 4
Instructions to Timothy
1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.


17 posted on 04/15/2010 6:03:25 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: Always A Marine

This article predates the case of the homosexual Duke University employee who was selling his adopted son to other men for sex.


18 posted on 04/15/2010 6:03:45 AM PDT by Tax-chick (There's a perfectly good island somewhere.)
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To: NYer
“the church isn't handing out Liza Minneli posters to promote celibacy”>>>>

Ann is brilliant!

19 posted on 04/15/2010 6:14:13 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: thethirddegree
Sex Abuse of Children by Protestant Clergy.
20 posted on 04/15/2010 6:17:07 AM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: thethirddegree
Quoting Scripture out of context is the crutch of the ignorant.

Better read all of what Saint Paul wrote.

"But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife, is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God. But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided. And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she that is married thinketh on the things of the world, how she may please her husband. And this I speak for your profit: not to cast a snare upon you; but for that which is decent, and which may give you power to attend upon the Lord, without impediment." 1 Corinthians 7:32-35

"Forbidding to marry. to abstain from meats. He speaks of the Gnostics, the Marcionites, the Encratites, the Manicheans, and other ancient heretics, who absolutely condemned marriage and the use of all kind of meat; because they pretended that all flesh was from an evil principle. Whereas the Church of God, so far from condemning marriage, holds it a holy sacrament and forbids it to none but such as by vow who have chosen the better part: and prohibits not the use of any meats whatsoever in proper times and seasons, though she does not judge all kind of diet proper for days of fasting and penance." St. Jeromes' commentary on 1 Timothy 4:3 (emphasis added for your much needed edification)

Additional passages from Scripture that torpedo your thinly veiled lame attempt to condemn celibacy.

"Who said to them: All men take not this word, but they to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it." Matthew 19:11-12

"Then Peter answering, said to him: Behold we have left all things, and have followed thee: what therefore shall we have? And Jesus said to them: Amen, I say to you, that you, who have followed Me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit on the seat of His majesty, you also shall sit on twelve seats judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands for My name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall possess life everlasting. And many that are first, shall be last: and the last shall be first." Matthew 19:27-30

"Then Peter said: Behold, we have left all things, and have followed thee. Who said to them: Amen, I say to you, there is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake, Who shall not receive much more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting." Luke 18:28-30

21 posted on 04/15/2010 6:30:42 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Always A Marine

The Church stat of 45,000 is even better because it’s not a static number. There have been more than 45,000 priests in the church since the 1960’s when the “guitar priests” infiltrated the church to avoid the Draft and stay in the closet. But the 55 number stands. The tenured profs at Yale? They probably have, as they say “vacancies by death, few. By retirement never”.


22 posted on 04/15/2010 6:31:30 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Additionally, people who quote Scripture to condemn celibacy need to be reminded that presumably Christ was celibate and did not marry. Regardless of His divine nature, He was still a man and subject to the same temptations and was able to overcome them.


23 posted on 04/15/2010 6:39:33 AM PDT by Jackson57
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To: thethirddegree
To the best of my knowledge, nobody has ever been forced to take a vow of celibacy. Of course my knowledge of human behavior is not universal. So if you know of somebody --- even one person --- who has been compelled to make a vow of celibacy against his will, would you please supply a name and a link?
24 posted on 04/15/2010 6:56:02 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: Angry_White_Man_Syndrome

Not really. This is what happens when authority is given to people without there being any safeguarding as to whom. These victims put trust into people and felt compelled to obey-—whether it was the boy scouts, a rabbi, or a priest.By it’s very nature the Catholic Church is built upon authority—this is why it was easier and more common for degenerates to sexually abuse these young men. These boys should have been kept away from anybody that would wield such power over them. Or warned by FATHERS to tell them if anybody tried to perpetrate these perversions on them to kick them where it hurts and then tell DAD. He’ll make sure the dirtbag will pay. Think how much less abuse there would have been.


25 posted on 04/15/2010 10:51:16 AM PDT by sydney smith
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To: NYer

This is a masterpiece.


26 posted on 04/15/2010 12:33:17 PM PDT by happygrl (Continuing to predict that 0bama will resign)
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To: NYer

Ann is awesome! She really nailed it.


27 posted on 04/15/2010 1:56:06 PM PDT by ezfindit (ConservativeDatingSite.com - The Right Place for Conservative Singles)
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To: happygrl

Yes, superb logic and arguments. Truly a MASTERPIECE!


28 posted on 04/15/2010 1:57:12 PM PDT by ezfindit (ConservativeDatingSite.com - The Right Place for Conservative Singles)
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To: NYer

Yes, Ann. Good one!


29 posted on 04/16/2010 5:28:06 PM PDT by TradicalRC (Secular conservatism is liberalism.)
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