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China produces 97 percent of materials known as rare earth oxides (used in weapons, etc.)
Government Accountability Office ^ | April 14, 2010 | Government Accountability Office

Posted on 04/15/2010 1:28:27 PM PDT by Stayfree

• According to government, industry, and academic officials, the use of rare earth materials is widespread in defense systems. These include, among others, • precision-guided munitions, • lasers, • communication systems, • radar systems, • avionics, • night vision equipment, and • satellites. • Officials emphasized the significance of the widespread use of commercial-off-the-shelf products in defense systems that include rare earth materials, such as computer hard drives. Objective 2: Rare Earth Materials Are Widely Used and Lack Substitutes Page 27

(Excerpt) Read more at gao.gov ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: china; materials; rare; weapon Comment #1 Removed by Moderator

To: Stayfree

We have plenty here, enviro just won’t let us mine it.


2 posted on 04/15/2010 1:29:17 PM PDT by MNlurker
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To: Stayfree

bookmark


3 posted on 04/15/2010 1:29:44 PM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: MNlurker

Actually we don’t have a lot, but we can’t even get to what we do have due to some of the mines being in California.


4 posted on 04/15/2010 1:32:36 PM PDT by ikka
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To: MNlurker
These guys are pretty well oxidized.


5 posted on 04/15/2010 1:36:36 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Stayfree
Who cares? Because:

... whether we like it or not, we remain a dominant military superpower...

-Obama

extreme /s

6 posted on 04/15/2010 1:42:19 PM PDT by Obadiah
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To: ikka

There are also huge deposits in MT and Idaho...same problem enviros won’t let you at them.


7 posted on 04/15/2010 2:11:25 PM PDT by MNlurker
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To: ikka

Actually, we have a lot, but we don’t mine it and really don’t have the capability to process the small amount we mine.


8 posted on 04/15/2010 2:47:29 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

There are deposits of the 17 rare earths in Canada and the U.S.


9 posted on 04/15/2010 2:53:29 PM PDT by Melchior
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To: MNlurker
The US has the world's largest stock of rare earth minerals. Unfortunately, they were sequestered by ChiFi with the Desert Protection Act. Of course, her husband's investments in China had nothing to do with that.
10 posted on 04/15/2010 3:15:48 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: All

For a related item, look up Magnequench. They were bought out by the ChiComs and moved to the PRC back in the 2003-4 timeframe. Turns out they are the sole source of rare earth magnets suitable for our cruise missile guidance systems. If China says “No”, we will have a helluva time making cruise missiles that fly straight. I did not think that “Free Trade (TM)” was a suicide pact. If the right palms are greased, anything is possible, I suppose.


11 posted on 04/15/2010 3:21:40 PM PDT by NE_PaleoCon
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To: NE_PaleoCon

That wasn’t a “free trade” issue, but nice try.


12 posted on 04/15/2010 3:22:48 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: All
Don't look up Magnequench before looking here first:

Magnequench: CFIUS and China's Thirst for U.S. Defense Technology
[Heritage Foundation via FreeRepublic].

13 posted on 04/15/2010 3:28:48 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Willie Green; Liz; AuntB

The bad news just keeps on coming.


14 posted on 04/15/2010 3:29:22 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: 1rudeboy

Sure it was free trade — arbitrage the cost difference between US living wages and Chinese slave wages, and bring that to the bottom line as pure profit, damm the consequences. Mr Hu would be glad to hang you with your own rope.


15 posted on 04/15/2010 3:31:33 PM PDT by NE_PaleoCon
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To: NE_PaleoCon

Just read at the link I supplied in my comment #13, and go complain about NAFTA somewhere else.


16 posted on 04/15/2010 3:32:48 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama

Check this out: the more things change, the more they stay the same. We have another paleo arguing that, if only wage scales were equalized between China and the United States (by implication: with tariffs), we could restore rare earth production and processing in the U.S.


17 posted on 04/15/2010 3:35:59 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Good summary — didn’t realize that the Magnaquench debacle goes back to the mid 90s.


18 posted on 04/15/2010 3:37:02 PM PDT by NE_PaleoCon
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To: NE_PaleoCon

Sorry to come down so hard on you, but I had the same argument on that thread from 2008.


19 posted on 04/15/2010 3:37:55 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Just keeping it old-school sonny. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result.


20 posted on 04/15/2010 3:38:29 PM PDT by NE_PaleoCon
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To: MNlurker; All
Pretty good article on one "rare earth element"...

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2008/1124/034.html

21 posted on 04/15/2010 3:40:52 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: 1rudeboy
Someone said recently...that the Chicoms look at things in 1,000 year increments...and we look at things in decades.

The Chicoms have been out-dueling us...for years now.

Commodities, manufacturing, agriculture, and closing in now military-wise...etc, etc...

IMO...of course.

22 posted on 04/15/2010 3:49:02 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Osage Orange

The Magnequench stunt could’ve been pulled-off by a Chinese retard with a broken watch. They just bought the Administration.


23 posted on 04/15/2010 3:52:09 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Anyone...who paid any attention...knows something smelled with the John Houngs, and the Riady's...( My spelling is wrong..I know. But I'm lazy..and someone else can correct it. )

They know...the Clinton's were paid off..bribed, and used.

God only knows who else in the Den of Thieves in D.C. was/is involved.

24 posted on 04/15/2010 3:56:52 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: MNlurker

There are millions tons of scrap hard drive magnets that could be recycled... Most are returned to China for recycling, but they could be recycled here.


25 posted on 04/15/2010 4:14:40 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: NE_PaleoCon; 1rudeboy
You're both wrong.

Magnequench's patents were expiring, and it most common for a patent holder to sell the patent before it expires.

It starts there in the second paragraph under Patents and Intellectual Property.

26 posted on 04/15/2010 4:57:29 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

That’s not the point. The Feds had the power to stop the sale on national security concerns, and didn’t.


27 posted on 04/15/2010 4:59:32 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

That’s because there wasn’t a national security concern.


28 posted on 04/15/2010 5:11:21 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

I disagree. If there wasn’t, the GAO would have no need to issue this report.


29 posted on 04/15/2010 5:13:25 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Osage Orange

Another reason why the Clintons should have never been allowed to hold any high office forever!


30 posted on 04/15/2010 5:17:17 PM PDT by Soul Citizen
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To: 1rudeboy
I hate to tell you this but GAO reports can easily be manipulated. In this particular case a group of congressmen, on behalf of the union, requested it.

This is not cutting edge technology. The original patent to GM/Magnequench was awarded in 1983.

31 posted on 04/15/2010 5:22:41 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
I get that, but the fact of the matter remains that we had processing technology and equipment (even if old) that the Chinese shut down in favor of their own. Equipment with national security implications. In a market where the U.S. now relies on China to supply 97% of the supply.

Even if the gubmint lost track of it, we need to keep our eye on the ball.

32 posted on 04/15/2010 5:27:29 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: MNlurker

Russia also has a bunch of these; however they keep the rare earth oxides for military use only.


33 posted on 04/15/2010 5:32:55 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: MNlurker
China produces 97 percent of materials known as rare earth oxides (used in weapons, etc.)

In a follow-up report, it has been determined that China also produces 97% of the stuff in Wal-Mart, 97% of the stuff in Costco, and 97% of the stuff in Target.

34 posted on 04/15/2010 6:25:22 PM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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To: Osage Orange

“The Chicoms have been out-dueling us...for years now.”

Because they don’t listen to celebrities over experts, actual experts. Their culture worships scientists, educators, and they richly reward those who have actual smarts and work to build their country.


35 posted on 04/15/2010 7:55:37 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: 1rudeboy
if only wage scales were equalized between China and the United States...   ...we could restore rare earth production and processing in the U.S.

Funny thing is that we hear that a lot.  Never mind how all manufacturing would take a serious hit from price hikes in rare earths --then again the paleos' solution to mfgr employment is [I swear I'm not making this up] lowering productivity.

At least there one Chinese product the paleos don't mind buying in quantity: GOLD!

36 posted on 04/16/2010 6:35:17 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
Have you ever noticed that, with protectionists, nearly everything is about national security until something actually is about national security?
37 posted on 04/16/2010 6:37:42 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
lol!

Thanks, I need all the laughs I can get. 

It's true though, throughout history international conflicts are won by the side with more money and more trading partners.   Isolationist countries always end up getting taken over by others  --and yet our paleos brethren have the gall to say we're the traitors!

38 posted on 04/16/2010 7:28:44 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: 1rudeboy
I realize that a lot of people say it is a natl security issue but I've never seen where the pentagon says that it is

If you go back in time you can find where the pentagon specifically says it is not.

Even today, after China's pronouncements, I've not seen that. Only the pentagon saying that they have been studying the issue for a long time.

If it it were a nat'l security issue, and the powers that be were to say so, then a national stockpile could be established.

We know that Molycorp is mining and they are sending material to customers in Japan who are sending it to China for processing and it is then sent back to Japan.

Let the US Govt buy from Molycorp, send it to China and back to national stockpile.

But let me warn you, if Obama and the democrat congress did something like that, the GOP and the freepers would say that Obama is trying to socialize the rare earth industry.

39 posted on 04/16/2010 11:31:28 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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