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Crashing the 'tea party': NYT/CBS poll reveals much about the movement (More Jourbalist BS)
The Los Angeles Times ^ | April 17, 2010 | Tim Rutten

Posted on 04/17/2010 1:17:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

One of the things journalism teaches you over and over again is that nothing ruins a good story quite like the facts.

Consider, for example, this week's renewal of the chattering classes' infatuation with the "tea party" movement, timed to coincide with the deadline to file federal income tax returns. The group is conventionally portrayed as a burgeoning populist expression of discontent that sprouted spontaneously from the grass-roots and cuts in new ways across sectional, class and gender lines.

Reams of analysis have proceeded from those assumptions, but like a great deal that's based on anecdotal reporting, it turns out to be wrong. To their great credit, the New York Times and CBS undertook extensive, and expensive, polling that provides the first reliable look at the tea party supporters. Little that has been generally assumed survived the scrutiny.

As it turns out, fewer than 1 in 5 Americans "supports" the tea party movement in any respect, and just 4% of all adult Americans have contributed to it or attended one of its events or both. (On any given day, you probably could drum up twice as many people who think the Pentagon is hiding dead aliens in Area 51.)(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2010polls; california; economy; jourbalism; liberalidiots; mediabias; obama; taxes; teaparty
So the new tactic is to label us "angry white males" and a small minority of the population, huh? How, exactly, do you poll Tea Party members? There's no membership lists that I'm aware of...
1 posted on 04/17/2010 1:17:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
One of the things journalism teaches you over and over again is that nothing ruins a good story quite like the facts.

And this is another good story.

2 posted on 04/17/2010 1:18:35 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: mlocher

Hey MSM...thanks for all the publicity!

Keep talking! It makes more and more people curious...then they check it out and maybe attend and bingo!the teaparty’s numbers go up!

MSM did the same thing when the Bamster howled about Fox news..ha ha...they had more viewers than ever, just to see what all the commotion is about..Kind of Like tom sawyer telling his friends they aren’t ‘allowed” to help him paint the fence!


3 posted on 04/17/2010 1:22:21 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"The group is conventionally portrayed as a burgeoning populist expression of discontent that sprouted spontaneously from the grass-roots and cuts in new ways across sectional, class and gender lines. Reams of analysis have proceeded from those assumptions,"

Wait, what did I miss? When has any msm source ever worked off this assumption? Unless it was acorn or seiu gathering.
4 posted on 04/17/2010 1:22:29 PM PDT by JoSixChip (It's time to embrace the madness! The sooner we default the sooner we can reorganize.)
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To: mlocher

IF nothing ruins a good story like FACTS, the Times faces little danger of having any ruined stories.


5 posted on 04/17/2010 1:22:52 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Kind of Like tom sawyer telling his friends they aren’t ‘allowed” to help him paint the fence!

Great analogy, excpet Tom knew what he was doing. There is an analogy about the MSM whitewashing everything too, somewhere between the lines.

6 posted on 04/17/2010 1:24:10 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why do they care so much? Is there nothing better for them to write about? This is getting a little weird, their obsession with the TEA party movement.


7 posted on 04/17/2010 1:25:42 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ( 0bama: Our first AINO president)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jourbalist BS is right.

This is just the chatterclatura using the LA Times for a blog. They’re talking to each other.


8 posted on 04/17/2010 1:26:27 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“...and significantly more affluent and better educated than the majority of Americans.”

Wait! I thought the media said tea partiers were uneducated morons. Now they are highly educated and affluent. So which is it? The media needs to get their stories straight. Or is this a new strategy?


9 posted on 04/17/2010 1:26:27 PM PDT by coaltrain
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To: mlocher

I know, but that makes it even more ironic and delicious!
the MSM is soooooo stoooopid! they dont even understand how the media can effect people.ha.


10 posted on 04/17/2010 1:26:31 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: FrdmLvr
"Why do they care so much? Is there nothing better for them to write about? This is getting a little weird, their obsession with the TEA party movement."

That and Governor Sarah Palin. What they attack is what they're afraid of. How many nasty hit pieces have they written on Governors Romney, Huckabee and Pawlenty? Exactly!

11 posted on 04/17/2010 1:28:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2312894/posts?page=242)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The more lies I read and see, the more pissed off I get. The more they brutalize Salin Palin and her children, the more I get involved and the more checks I write.

Their propaganda is counter productive. Its akin to shooting POWs in a time of war.


12 posted on 04/17/2010 1:28:46 PM PDT by Outrance
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When talking about the Tea Party movement, the largest number of respondents said that the movement’s goal should be reducing the size of government, more than cutting the budget deficit or lowering taxes.

And nearly three-quarters of those who favor smaller government said they would prefer it even if it meant spending on domestic programs would be cut.

But in follow-up interviews, Tea Party supporters said they did not want to cut Medicare or Social Security — the biggest domestic programs, suggesting instead a focus on “waste.”

Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.

Others could not explain the contradiction.

“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html
13 posted on 04/17/2010 1:31:09 PM PDT by jerry557
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To: coaltrain

the MSM is destroyng the “race Card” with its hysteria over the “raaaaacist” Tea Partiers! HA!

They have pushed this so hard WITH NO EVIDENCE...that people are wondering, “HUH? I dont see the racism...” and by banging that drum, it further destroys the impact of the Race Card and its power.

Go for it alphabet media!!! Tell us again how Raaacist we are...oh, and yeah, keep trying to find video or signs or audio while you are at it, then argue about WHy there are none. People are going to start wondering what all the Raaaacist fuss is about when there isn’t any.

Thanks MSM!!!HA HA HA.


14 posted on 04/17/2010 1:31:11 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The left and it's media lackeys are scared to death of average Americans that are waking up and realizing what is happening to their country- and don't like it.

The usual attempt to marginalize 'Tea Party' members/supporters as mostly upper-middle class, well-educated, middle aged white men who are 'angry' is rubbish - and the L.A. Times hack that authored this article, knows it.

Part of the rationale for this kind of pap is to persuade those who may be sympathetic to the goals of the Tea Party activists that this a 'fringe' group and you don't belong there. The rest is an attempt to convince themselves that the Tea Party is irrelevant and nothing for the oh-so brilliant leftists to fear.

They need to do this because the political left and the media hacks that publish their propaganda (like this L.A. Times piece) know full well that they're supporting a president and congress that is pushing the country toward European socialism as fast as they can while dropping our defenses and torpedoing the U.S. economy with insane spending policies.

This used to be called 'whistling past the graveyard'. Now, it's just standard leftist propaganda. Lies and smears intended to convince people that the Tea Party is nothing to worry about. They wish. November 2nd can't come soon enough.

15 posted on 04/17/2010 1:32:35 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is AMAZING how much energy the “journalists” are using to spin the TEA Party Movement.

How about “observe and REPORT observations”? it almost sounds “scientific”...


16 posted on 04/17/2010 1:34:37 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Well said. Back in college psychology the term was “extinguish”.


17 posted on 04/17/2010 1:56:41 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yep, there's only a "couple" of us (like only 10,000 showing up in DC back in Sept 2009 ... I was there I remember it well). So regardless of how "few" of us there are (/s), don't forget Sam Adams' words;

It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.

...got a match? :-)


18 posted on 04/17/2010 2:01:31 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Los Angeles Times is bankrupt which necessitates reducing the paid staff and replacing them with 5-cents-per-word “correspondents” like Tim Rutten.
19 posted on 04/17/2010 2:01:52 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Voter62vb

I forgot about ‘extinguish”...guess it comes right after ridicule!


20 posted on 04/17/2010 2:02:16 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I’m not sure about that alphabetical order, but I do agree that the MSM, CDC and others continally shouting “RACIST” is rediculous and I’m hoping that even the most PC-oriented among us, if they were honest, might be losing the energy and tempo in their psycho-physical jerk of the knee.


21 posted on 04/17/2010 2:15:11 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: Voter62vb

“psycho-physical jerk of the knee”

Great phrase!


22 posted on 04/17/2010 2:27:16 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Main Stream Media :

A Harley biker is riding by the zoo in Washington , DC when he sees a little girl leaning into the lion's cage.

Suddenly, the lion grabs her by the cuff of her jacket and tries to pull her inside to slaughter her, under the eyes of her screaming parents.

The biker jumps off his Harley, runs to the cage and hits the lion square on the nose with a powerful punch.

Whimpering from the pain the lion jumps back letting go of the girl, and the biker brings her to her terrified parents, who thank him endlessly. A reporter has watched the whole event.

The reporter addressing the Harley rider says, 'Sir, this was the most gallant and brave thing I've seen a man do in my whole life.'

The Harley rider replies, 'Why, it was nothing, really, the lion was behind bars. I just saw this little kid in danger and acted as I felt right.'

The reporter says, 'Well, I'll make sure this won't go unnoticed. I'm a journalist, you know, and tomorrow's paper will have this story on the front page... So, what do you do for a living and what political affiliation do you have?'

The biker replies, 'I'm a U.S. Marine and a Republican.' The journalist leaves.

The following morning the biker buys the paper to see if it indeed brings news of his actions, and reads, on the front page:
U.S. MARINE ASSAULTS AFRICAN IMMIGRANT AND STEALS HIS LUNCH

That pretty much sums up the media's approach to the news these days.

23 posted on 04/17/2010 2:44:23 PM PDT by Mobilemitter (We must learn to fin >-)> for ourselves.........)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anyone who gets his “information” from the LA Times is in danger of being an ignoramus.


24 posted on 04/17/2010 3:09:29 PM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: Mobilemitter

Very good!


25 posted on 04/17/2010 3:44:36 PM PDT by jhw61
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To: 2ndDivisionVet


26 posted on 04/17/2010 4:51:52 PM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: JoSixChip

Just to add some diversity they surveyed a high school teachers’ rubber room.


27 posted on 04/17/2010 5:09:06 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

“... keep trying to find video or signs or audio while you are at it, then argue about WHy there are none.”

I’m waiting for the “dog ate my homework” excuse.

Since the lamestream media has changed its tack from calling the teaparty a bunch of lower class uneducated yokels to one of “affluent and better educated”, I suspect that instead of the race card they may be going for the class warfare card.


28 posted on 04/17/2010 5:19:24 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democratic Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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To: Fred Hayek

Yup...shuck and Jive...that’s the Bamster’s motto!


29 posted on 04/17/2010 5:21:48 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: Pride in the USA; Chieftain

awesome!

this little Munchkin will strike terror into the heart of Janet Napolitano!


30 posted on 04/17/2010 5:22:55 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lies, Damn Lies, Statistics & then POLLS


31 posted on 04/17/2010 6:37:49 PM PDT by pillut48 ("Stand now. Stand together. Stand for what is right."-Gov.Sarah Palin, "Going Rogue")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So the new tactic is to label us "angry white males" and a small minority of the population, huh?

Guess CBS Moues is going to have to get rid of Bob Schieffer, who seemed to think 18% of the electorate (and growing) was a pretty big deal instead. Bob, call your office -- Stiletto-Heels Katie says you're fired.

32 posted on 04/17/2010 7:12:10 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They wish. 4% of the WORKING populous showed up THIS TIME...not counting the ones that showed up the last two times we rotated..the rest stayed at work and waited to laugh at the lies the LA Times tells.

The MSM ignorance is going to bite itself. Let them look like idiots...I have no problem with it.

33 posted on 04/17/2010 8:56:01 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: Pride in the USA
OMG! Awesome!


34 posted on 04/18/2010 1:13:52 AM PDT by lonevoice (If Fox News is the only outlet reporting it, did it really happen?)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

The tea party should start exercising their buying power clout and start targeting boycotts against those that advertise with the MSM. It can make a difference.


35 posted on 04/18/2010 2:00:48 AM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Always Independent

gOOD IDEA!


36 posted on 04/18/2010 4:44:29 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
As it turns out, fewer than 1 in 5 Americans "supports" the tea party movement in any respect...

A claim that is in direct contradiction with the poll that showed 24% of Americans identified themselves a Tea Partiers...which is much higher than 20% supporting in any respect...but again, facts are nasty little things that just get in the way of a good lie.

37 posted on 04/18/2010 6:03:35 AM PDT by highlander_UW (First we take down the Democrats, then we clean the Augean stable that is the GOP.)
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To: Jim Scott; 2ndDivisionVet
The left and it's media lackeys are scared to death of average Americans that are waking up and realizing what is happening to their country- and don't like it.

Exactly. They can't keep their spin straight.

Didn't Nixon also speak of "the silent majority"? Except in this case, the people represented by the "Tea Party" are not so silent, or invisible.

38 posted on 04/18/2010 10:02:32 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Jim Scott
The left and it's media lackeys are scared to death of average Americans that are waking up and realizing what is happening to their country- and don't like it.

Sure they are. Especially the media lackeys, because waking up involves figuring out just how much and how often they have lied to you.

39 posted on 04/18/2010 10:23:58 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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