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McCain Proposes Indefinite Detention Without Trial for Citizens (MCCAIN ASSAULTS THE CONSTITUTION)
The New American ^ | 2010-04-18 | Thomas R. Eddlem

Posted on 04/18/2010 7:09:37 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

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To: Lakeshark

“Yeah, what a terrible character attribute loyalty is.”

Placing personal loyalty above the interests of your country and loyalty to the Constitution is not a positive character attribute.


201 posted on 04/19/2010 9:03:28 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: rabscuttle385
Statement: "McCain Proposes Indefinite Detention Without Trial for Citizens (MCCAIN ASSAULTS THE CONSTITUTION)"

Response: If true this is one more bit of evidence that the clowns now in office are afraid. We have scared them!

202 posted on 04/19/2010 9:27:43 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: rabscuttle385

bttt


203 posted on 04/19/2010 10:02:23 AM PDT by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Lakeshark; exit82
This from someone who is a full time government subsidized student, who doesn't hold a job, has probably never had a girlfriend, and is notoriously well kown for posting hyperbole from really stupid sources.

And your point is?

Or maybe you have no point, other than to shoot the messenger because you don't like the message; as I've been graduated for quite some time already, I financed my education using loans, and I do have a pending job offer with a pretty good compensation package.

Oh, and by the way, you never did tell exit82 what you thought of the McCain bill. Perhaps THOMAS.LOC.gov is a "really stupid source" too, as is anything you disagree with.

204 posted on 04/19/2010 10:07:36 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385
This is not going to help his reelection.
205 posted on 04/19/2010 10:12:51 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: rabscuttle385

Well I am really glad McCain introduced this legislation.

We can use it as a campaign issue to defeat this senile idiot.


206 posted on 04/19/2010 11:40:13 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: rabscuttle385
My point is clear. You posted an article from a source that is at best fringe, and at its worst pretty loony.

It doesn't say much for your intelligence, nor advance your creds in any way that you do that kind of thing. There is no howl from other highly rated conservative journalists such as Michelle Malkin, American Thinker and others, not even the slightest hint that this is something real or to be concerned about.

That tells me your source (and likely you) is a crock. Most rational conservatives on FR understand that.

207 posted on 04/19/2010 12:13:57 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark; exit82; mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker; TigersEye; AuntB
You posted an article from a source that is at best fringe, and at its worst pretty loony.

And it's backed up by official, authoritative sources.

Yet you continue to stall and dance around saying what you think of the bill.

IMO, you're either a coward or you support the bill.

208 posted on 04/19/2010 12:39:39 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385
I guess this didn't show up the first time I posted it.

The actual source though happens to be ...

thomas.loc.gov

209 posted on 04/19/2010 12:44:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Duncan Hunter, Jim DeMint, Michelle Bachman, ...)
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To: rabscuttle385
Garbage. Much like everything you post.

The source sucks.

210 posted on 04/19/2010 12:44:58 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

Sorry Lakeshark. The kid is right and you are wrong.

I was very skeptical, so I went on the U.S. Senate website from first principles (not a series of links provided by the Birchers) and found the legislation and it is exactly as presented. Our so-called “conservatives” are stabbing us in the back trying to force Obama and Holder to try foreign terrorists as military prisoners.

Senator McCain does not refer to it among his recent bills proposed, but it is out there, just the same and just a little hard to find.

Michelle Malkin, Sean Hannity, and the rest ought to be burning up McCain’s phone line complaining about this. I voted for McCain in November, 2008, and now am ashamed of having done so. The man obviously has no regard for the Bill of Rights.

Find it yourself, read it, consider it in the context of our times, and stop defending the indefensible.


211 posted on 04/19/2010 1:12:16 PM PDT by mywholebodyisaweapon
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To: rabscuttle385; Lakeshark

I did mean what I said in my post 138 to you.

I would like to know what you think of this proposed legislation.

Many on this thread have given their take on it—what is yours?


212 posted on 04/19/2010 4:58:51 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Thought you might want to read this. I know the loose cannon status that many give the Birchers (note- I have never been a member), but today I found a connection between John Birch and the Doolittle Raid on Japan. I had no knowledge of it before today.

It is explained in this wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_(missionary)

go down to Military Career and read the details.

In the early 1980’s I was Republican County Chairman in a county in NM. The county registration was 5 Dems to 1 Republican. The three groups we could always count on were the local Ranchers, the Mormons and the Birchers. Like it or not, they were reliably in our camp. Birchers were at times out in la la land on interpretation, but never in the enemy camp.


213 posted on 04/19/2010 8:21:10 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: exit82; rabscuttle385
It's been three days since this article from the John Birch Society commenting on this bill was posted. Since then, there is no commentary anywhere in respected conservative journalists or blogs about this bill. Not even a hint or a whisper. Nothing in Michelle Malkin, The American Thinker, Powerline.....nothing anywhere.

My comments aren't going to change, I have no desire to get riled up by an article posted by Rabs from the Birch Society as others on this thread have been suckered into. Until I see it posted from a reputable, reliable conservative source, it's not worth the time. There are too many real problems we face to be drawn into Rabs, Ron Paul's, or the Birch Society's shrinking (and unhinged) world view of what our problems are.

214 posted on 04/20/2010 7:36:47 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark; rabscuttle385

The bill is posted on thomas.loc.gov which is an official Federal website for posting legislation.

That’s not good enough for you?

We are so past your obsession with the John Birch Society. You said it numerous times and I acknowledged you had a problem with it.

I asked for your opinion on the PROPOSED LEGISLATION, more than once.

You have rabscuttle385 in your sights, and that’s your issue.

Your disclaimers in your post are worthless, because this is an active proposed law, worthy of discussion.

With that said, enough of getting on Rabs’ threads to just post your personal insults to him, of which there are many on this very thread alone.

You don’t like him, then don’t click on his threads.

But please don’t claim a higher motive for your actions when there clearly is none.


215 posted on 04/20/2010 9:47:37 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: exit82
There's no secret I think Rabs is a skunk. I'm not in the minority on FR thinking this.

The real issue is why you or anyone on the thread think you know anything about this legislation. The only mention of it has been in the Birch Society publication. No one else has even mentioned it, not Drudge, not Malkin, no one else even knows anything about it.

Why do you insist you know something about this if there's no mention of it except in the Birch Society publication?

216 posted on 04/20/2010 10:01:05 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark; rabscuttle385; Texas Fossil

See Post 50 and Post 109.

The source is from a government website, which is THE site for legislation posted by the Congress: thomas.loc.gov.

Just because something is not on a conservative website does not mean something is not worthy of discussion. There are many threads posted each day from non-conservative websites and sources in the MSM, so that we can know what is going on.

Your last post speaks more of you than it does of Rabs, Lakeshark. You are still trying to prove you had a higher motive when you joined this thread. But you just cannot admit that you did not.


217 posted on 04/20/2010 10:16:49 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: Peanut Gallery

Ping


218 posted on 04/20/2010 10:21:51 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Conservative States of America has a nice ring to it.)
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To: exit82

The discussion should be on the proposed legislation. I have been told that the motive behind it is to force military trials on the Gitmo detainees. I see that as a positive intent.

I cannot see that is the effect of the legislation as proposed. Alarm bells are going off all over my head when I read the lesiglation as posted on Thomas. That is why I posted the exact verbage in post #50.

Congressmen should not be able to hide from their actions or voting records. Neither party should. They must once again be made “accountable” to the citizens. That requires citizens being informed. That is a difficult task in the face of the current “propaganda’ masquerading as media.

I think the bill as proposed is VERY BAD. And some of those who proposed it are people I respect and admire. That hurts me.

I felt during the last Election Cycle that the “fix” was in. In both parties. It is time it was “un-fixed”.


219 posted on 04/20/2010 10:52:16 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ping!


220 posted on 04/20/2010 12:29:12 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: rabscuttle385; TCH; Lakeshark
Something that clearly does not apply to one Sarah Palin, despite her disgusting "loyalty" to the clearly disloyal skunk McCain.

There you go again Rabs.

Don't expect any civility from anybody in the Sarah camp when you keep up with the hyperbole.

You'll get none!
221 posted on 04/20/2010 8:09:10 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: AuntB

Makes my blood boil...


222 posted on 04/22/2010 8:35:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Be still & kneel before the know-nothing Omnipotent One, Il Douche' Jr., may fleas be upon him.)
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