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DAVID KORESH: MILLENNIAL VIOLENCE
TRUTV.com - Library - Crime ^ | Date unknown | By Katherine Ramsland

Posted on 04/19/2010 1:46:54 AM PDT by Cindy

DAVID KORESH: MILLENNIAL VIOLENCE

David Koresh and the Waco Incident: Both Sides Prepare

By Katherine Ramsland

David Koresh, 1987 A number of people, both witnesses and historians, have tried to accurately document the facts of what happened on February 28th, 1993 in Waco, Texas in the clash between law enforcement and a religious group known as the Branch Davidians. No one seems able to write about those events in an unbiased manner, since it seems that the whole thing was preventable. Even the academics appear to have a cause, so it's difficult at times to piece together what actually happened and who was to blame. Was Koresh a manipulative psychopath who exploited an opportunity, as many FBI agents claim, or was he just a deluded religious leader whose private play was suddenly exposed on the world's stage? Perhaps we'll never know.

Hostage negotiator Christopher Whitcomb, writing in Cold Zero, and true crime writer Clifford Linedecker in Massacre at Waco, Texas both present a chronology of the facts on that momentous Sunday morning."

(Excerpt) Read more at trutv.com ...


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KEYWORDS: coldzero; davidians; koresh; massacereatwaco; texas; waco
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1 posted on 04/19/2010 1:46:54 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy

link doesn’t work


2 posted on 04/19/2010 1:53:35 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Same here. I get a “forbidden” message.


3 posted on 04/19/2010 1:55:08 AM PDT by Ronin
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To: Cindy

Can’t get in to read the whole story. Maybe you could post it.
Thanks


5 posted on 04/19/2010 1:56:38 AM PDT by dixjea
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To: dixjea

It worked a few minutes ago and the url is correct.

It’s a long account.

It could be the author or site is updating right now.


6 posted on 04/19/2010 1:58:48 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Thanks Mr. Van Doorn.

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http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/not_guilty/koresh/1.html


7 posted on 04/19/2010 1:59:57 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Steve Van Doorn

This link doesn’t work for me.


8 posted on 04/19/2010 2:00:00 AM PDT by dixjea
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scroll down to David Koresh:
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/not_guilty/

real strange in preview the link works.

9 posted on 04/19/2010 2:02:28 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Ronin

And I am interested in this topic, as I am sure a lot of other people are, because I see a lot of Janet Reno in Janet Napolitano — with this recent “crackdown” on a “Militia-like ‘Cult’ of Religious Fanatics” as a case in point.

We have Muslim jihadis training in the woods all over the country, we have Muslim diplomats setting off smoke alarms in airplanes and laughing in our faces, we have close to full scale drug wars and other threats on our southern border — and we have a “Homeland Security” department that is convinced that the greatest threat to the country is a tiny group of loony-tunes who couldn’t plot their way out of a paper bag.

With Obama and Napolitano calling the shots, the question is not whether there will be another “Waco” massacre.

It’s when.


10 posted on 04/19/2010 2:04:45 AM PDT by Ronin
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To: Ronin
With Obama and Napolitano calling the shots, the question is not whether there will be another “Waco” massacre. It’s when.

For whatever it's worth, that is how I see it, too.

11 posted on 04/19/2010 2:22:13 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into America's Twilight...)
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To: Ronin
...the question is not whether there will be another “Waco” massacre. It’s when.

Yep.

12 posted on 04/19/2010 2:32:32 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Cindy

Please post link, this seems like a good article.

My daughter chose to do a report on Timothy McVeigh for school (I bet that’ll raise a few flags, LOL!) and in helping her research him, I’m finding out a lot about Waco that the main stream news didn’t report.


13 posted on 04/19/2010 3:11:40 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Cindy

14 posted on 04/19/2010 4:24:09 AM PDT by FReepaholic (I'm in my head and can't get out.)
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To: Ronin
"And I am interested in this topic, as I am sure a lot of other people are, because I see a lot of Janet Reno in Janet Napolitano — with this recent “crackdown” on a “Militia-like ‘Cult’ of Religious Fanatics” as a case in point. "

This resurgence of old news about WACO and about Timothy McVeigh are just back door attempts by the left to tie the TEA party movement to such fanatics.

The TEA party movement are the "langoliers" chomping their way over the hill towards the commie left and they see their world being eaten away little by little and they are "shared skitless".

Now, here's the thing, the TEA party movement is not a cult, it's not a militia, and it's not a band of nuts; it is American citizens fed up with "Washington reborn."

There is not use for them to keep up the "incrimination by association" with the Wacos and Oklahoma bombings of the world, because there isn't any association with those nutballs and the TEA party movement.

The TEA party movement are not "government haters", as the bent on, bill clinton, is trying to portray. They just think that government has overstepped the bounds of the Constitution and is starting down a tyrannical path to socialism...which is by definition, "communism-lite".

But the left and their adoring media have taken on the job of exposing the TEA party movememt...but here's my question...EXPOSE IT TO WHOM?

Conservatives, and moderates already know what the TEA party movement is...hell, 30% of TEA partiers are democrats, for crying out loud.

So basically, the obamabots and the media (but I repeat myself) are in a big circle jerk trying to convince each other of the same thing...and the funny part is, THEY'RE FALLING FOR IT.

Everyday some greenhorn columnist comes out with new revelation that the TEA party movement is "racist". Well, we've only heard that a few million times in the past few months, but so far even a $100,000 guaranteed reward for proof of such has failed to flush out a winner.

The left has played a whole deck of race cards and nothing has come of it. The days of the "casual" use of the race card, are over. It's now "prove it" time...it's "walk your talk, or shutup" time.

They ARE a little slow on the left, but they will soon discover that the more they discredit the TEA party movement, the more people join it. People who are not yet on the TEA party wagon will soon figure out that for something to be so feared, there must be something good about it, and for the left to fear it so, they must be doing something pretty bad.

The millions of people who showed up at the nation's many TEA party movement events this past year were not dressed in camoflauge, there were no weapons, there were no militants. There were men, women, and children of all ages and races, dressed in red, white, and blue.

The diseased hatred for the TEA party movement is based on the left's fear and ignorance, and their guilty consciences knowing what their socialist agenda is foisting upon the heads of present and future Americans.

They can call it what they want, but we will KEEP ON COMING. The TEA party movement will never end; this charade that has invaded Washington has shown people what can happen if we go to sleep at the wheel, and I think after this is fixed, Americans will be more viligent than ever concerning the government, and the democrat party will have suffered a blow that will take a long time to overcome, if ever.
15 posted on 04/19/2010 6:19:56 AM PDT by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Doubt it...not because Owe-bama and Napolitano wouldn’t ‘go there’ but because we won’t see another idiot refuse to come out when given the chance, and thereby save his followers.

The simple truth is Koresh was a whack job, and in that regard was no different than Jim Jones. Had Koresh surrendered, every one of those that died in that inferno would be alive today, and he’s be out of jail.


16 posted on 04/19/2010 7:37:37 AM PDT by Badeye (I can see NOVEMBER from My HOUSE.)
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To: Badeye
"Had Koresh surrendered, every one of those that died in that inferno would be alive today, and he’s be out of jail."

There were 16 ATF agents wounded and 4 killed. Koresh would have been held responsible for them. I think he would have gotten life w/out parole. However, besides the nutjob Koresh we had a federal agency (ATF) that was out to prove something. Instead of taking him into custody when he was out in town or something, they had to confront him in his compound knowing that he had a stockpile of weapons. I think there were some Rambos in the ATF that wanted an armed conflict. They got more than they bargained for.
17 posted on 04/19/2010 7:59:51 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Badeye
...Had Koresh surrendered, every one of those that died in that inferno would be alive today...

Had the ATF arrested Koresh in town when they had the chance instead of staging a raid for the TV cameras and had the FBI not attacked the church with tanks, they might be alive today.


18 posted on 04/19/2010 8:06:14 AM PDT by FReepaholic (I'm in my head and can't get out.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
For Bill Clinton to lecture anyone on violence is
staggering:

He supports the murder of 50 million young Americans

It has been testified to that he has violently raped
and/or murdered woman.

Bill Clinton should be seeking the face of YHvH
for being the Butcher of Mount Carmel Texas.

He burned down a Church and murdered 85
men women and children in a manner that the
ACLU will not permit for our most heinous killers.

The Murders of Waco Texas was a watershed
of loss of G-d given liberties to our Government.

He also murdered four of his former Arkansas
State Patrollers who knew too much about
his perversions.


19 posted on 04/19/2010 8:08:10 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
PERJURY !


20 posted on 04/19/2010 8:09:37 AM PDT by timestax (The so called news media is the enemy of freedom....timestax)
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