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The FLIR Project (April 19, 1993 - Branch Davidians shot as they flee inferno)
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Posted on 04/19/2010 8:17:01 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

The Feds shot the Branch Davidians as they attempted to escape the burning buildings. John Danforth aided-and-abetted the cover-up.


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1 posted on 04/19/2010 8:17:02 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Video
2 posted on 04/19/2010 8:17:56 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (FYBO: Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Glare from broken glass...didn’t you hear?


3 posted on 04/19/2010 8:25:41 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (November can't come soon enough!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The federal government will teach any American practicing the Christian religion a lesson they will never forget. Murder them all, burn their bodies and then bulldoze the evidence so that no one may bring murder charges against the government!


4 posted on 04/19/2010 8:26:50 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No questin. John Danforth is an active supporter of the massive patronage system that Republicans pretend to rail against. He know where his bread is buttered.


5 posted on 04/19/2010 8:27:01 AM PDT by Homer1
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To: Homer1

Super-RINO.


6 posted on 04/19/2010 8:28:35 AM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Danforth, an ardent Episcopalian, seems to have been sincerely incapable of believing that the ATF and other federal agencies could do such wickedness to the Branch Davidians as they were accused of. Danforth was utterly the wrong person to head such an inquiry — which is why he was chosen for it.
7 posted on 04/19/2010 8:30:50 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

JUST WOW!


8 posted on 04/19/2010 8:31:35 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yes but we are suppose to forget how the Dums brought on OKCity. Enflamed McVeigh. The Dums OWN OKCity AND WACO.


9 posted on 04/19/2010 8:33:01 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yes but we are suppose to forget how the Dums brought on OKCity. Enflamed McVeigh. The Dums OWN OKCity AND WACO.


10 posted on 04/19/2010 8:33:19 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: Homer1

Remember when Johnny Danforth was on Bush 43’s short list for veep?


11 posted on 04/19/2010 8:34:45 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (November can't come soon enough!)
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To: Sybeck1

ping


12 posted on 04/19/2010 8:37:30 AM PDT by Ladycalif ("If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Jesus)
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To: Ladycalif

I never understood what threat this group imposed that warranted the federal response.


13 posted on 04/19/2010 8:38:57 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: DonaldC

The simple answer is that they had expend large amounts of Taxpayer money investigating them.

Justifiable expenditure?


14 posted on 04/19/2010 8:41:33 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: Sybeck1
Glare from broken glass...didn’t you hear?

The FLIR video came from the FBI. Do the math.

15 posted on 04/19/2010 8:43:11 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
For Bill Clinton to lecture anyone on violence is
staggering:

He supports the murder of 50 million young Americans

It has been testified to that he has violently raped
and/or murdered woman.

Bill Clinton should be seeking the face of YHvH
for being the Butcher of Mount Carmel Texas.

He burned down a Church and murdered 85
men women and children in a manner that the
ACLU will not permit for our most heinous killers.

The Murders of Waco Texas was a watershed
of loss of G-d given liberties to our Government.

He also murdered four of his former Arkansas
State Patrollers who knew too much about
his perversions.


16 posted on 04/19/2010 8:44:57 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: paratrooper82
The federal government will teach any American practicing the Christian religion a lesson they will never forget

Really, don't think that what the Branch Dividians were practicing was Christianity. It was more aptly "Koreshianity". That doesn't excuse the government's actions; let's not defame Christianity by lumping David Koresh's cult into it, in the process, though.

17 posted on 04/19/2010 8:45:37 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Turbo Pig

I really hate the feds getting into what justifies a cult or not. I have always heard Vernon Howard could have been arrested as he jogged sometimes.


18 posted on 04/19/2010 8:48:14 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (November can't come soon enough!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

here is a small dumb question that has bugged me ever since this happened. Why were they called the Branch Davidians?
A Branch of or from what? And why did they branch from whatever it was?


19 posted on 04/19/2010 8:52:39 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
He burned down a Church and murdered 85...

It was not until the tv documentary "Path to 9/11" that it was revealed that Bill Clinton did not order the Waco disaster as much as he just let it happened. Apparently, Janet Reno was waiting for a reply as to proceed with the seige or not when she could not wait any longer. She ordered the seige and the rest is history. Bill Clinton hung Waco around her neck because SHE made the decision, technically, and he did not. That is why she came out days later and said, "I take full responsibility..."

20 posted on 04/19/2010 8:53:17 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Sybeck1

Yes that is the key point. He was a regular jogger. they could have grabbed him at anytime..if they had proof of his illegal activities. apparently there was no proof of the charges as described..AFTER THE FACT.


21 posted on 04/19/2010 8:54:27 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: DonaldC

They were “weird”,
they were independent minded.
They didn’t like intrusion from the government.

That’s enough these days to get you “sieged”
for “conspiracy to resist the authority of the federal government”.


22 posted on 04/19/2010 8:55:18 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Google is your friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidian


23 posted on 04/19/2010 8:55:38 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Sybeck1

Not only is that the case here - it’s probably also the case in 99% of the SWAT raids that occur in our country.

We’ve taken the whole idea of SWAT home invasions lying down. If the Feds/locals need to arrest some drug dealer or other, at some point he’s going to leave the house. For one thing, everyone does at some point. For another thing, dealers need to deal - they are not recluses.

But no, we have basically said it’s OK for an army of thugs to bust down doors in the middle of the night (shooting any poodles that happen to get in the way) in order to arrest drug dealers.

The whole thing defies logic, IMHO.


24 posted on 04/19/2010 8:57:23 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Watch “Rules Of Engagement” on youtube.


25 posted on 04/19/2010 8:57:35 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (November can't come soon enough!)
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To: VRW Conspirator

Some say she learned how to sing and became Susan Boyle.


26 posted on 04/19/2010 8:57:43 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Turbo Pig
First the compound was raided because it was reported there were several illegal firearms there, then, the government reported that Koresh was molesting the children at the compound, and finally, the government reported that Koresh was calling himself “Jesus Christ.”

I guess any excuse for murdering every man, women, and child is a good excuse. Their mere beliefs, thoughts, and understandings, no matter how twisted they may be, is also an excuse for the massacre of over 150 Americans! Christianity had nothing to do with the murder of these people, only in the fact that they were practicing what they all believed to be a Christian faith.

27 posted on 04/19/2010 8:57:55 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: VRW Conspirator
The impeached pervert was the PRESIDENT.

Harry S Truman said the buck stops there

And OBTW why were four former Clintoon bodyguards murdered that day ?


28 posted on 04/19/2010 8:58:13 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Marty62

It’s “Showtime”!!!

That big entrance by the ATF in the prior February was going to give them a big revenue boost I think.


29 posted on 04/19/2010 8:59:02 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (November can't come soon enough!)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

they ain’t no friends of mine, but thanks.
My gosh, they WERE quite weird! Not that anybody
should die for the crime of being weird.


30 posted on 04/19/2010 9:00:18 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

The warrent was to expire the day of the raid.

ATF shot the dogs as they attacked.

Remmebered the lost footage of Koresh at the door, that is now seemingly gone forever?

And that the Weaver’s sniper was there on the final assault.

And why was Delta force there?


31 posted on 04/19/2010 9:03:47 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (November can't come soon enough!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
My gosh, they WERE quite weird!

No weirder than cults that perform magic shows

Some cults think that they can change Passover
matzoh & wine into body and blood.

Now that is weird !!!


32 posted on 04/19/2010 9:05:18 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Sybeck1
What about Gen. Wesley Clark and his Foot Hood Tanks ?

33 posted on 04/19/2010 9:07:02 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Sybeck1
That big entrance by the ATF in the prior February was going to give them a big revenue boost I think.

Bingo! Some genius thought it would be a great PR move to storm the compound presuming that the Davidians would fold easily. Oops! six people dead. And the seige began.

34 posted on 04/19/2010 9:08:16 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Sybeck1
The sniper that killed Vicki Weaver is named Lon Hourichi. May he rot in hell. and yes he was at Waco and drove one of the tanks my sources tell me.
35 posted on 04/19/2010 9:09:23 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: DonaldC

Trumped up child abuse charges.. I don’t believe Koresh did any molesting..He was just crazy.


36 posted on 04/19/2010 9:14:40 AM PDT by crazydad (What)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Whenever someone justifies Waco, I always bring up the fact that they were shooting into a building known to contain women and children. We can argue over who started the fire, but there is no argument that the Feds were firing on women and children. They use the film footage of the BATF firing into the building as "file film" when referring to Waco. Who would design a raid that had the possibility of gun play with women and children?

I would never attempt to justify OK City, but the anger at an out of control government murdering women and children and getting away with it was pretty strong at the time. Impeachment was the correct answer, not a bomb killing more women and children in a OK City nursery. Clinton should have been answered by the media with his deeds, rather than calling attention to the Tea Party.

37 posted on 04/19/2010 9:24:28 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Bttt


38 posted on 04/19/2010 9:28:58 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Waco was the last gasp of a hidden agenda operation in the 80’s designed to erode Constitutional guarantees and procedures of due process, search and seizure and the 2nd Ammendment. The idea was to create a mass hysteria over disappearing children (many of which were victims of divorce kidnappings), justify the persecution of presumed practitioners of “satanic ritual abuse” and turn that into a new system of jurisprudence. ALL SRA cases were later either overturned or dropped due to perjured witnesses or illegal evidence gathering, after many innocent lives were ruined.

What think tanks did this strategy of subversion of the Constitution come from? What seminars were prosecutors attending that sensitized them to claims of ritual abuse? Where did all those shrinks come from who badgered children to bear false witness? What is the real story behind “false memory syndrome”? Who was Jim Jones and who were the armed “palace guard” of Jonestown who escaped with their lives?


39 posted on 04/19/2010 9:31:15 AM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui (consciousness is a heads up display)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; Cindy

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40 posted on 04/19/2010 9:41:10 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Davidians were weird, Koresh may have been loving children a little too much. but

THEY DIDN'T DESERVE TO BE MURDERED for it.

Can you say “abuse of power”?

Janet Reno saved the children by burning them to death. Thanks for your help Janet.

If you learn that a licensed gun dealer is in possession of guns, you must burn down their house with everyone inside (especially women & children), just to be sure.

41 posted on 04/19/2010 9:50:44 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Well I spent the 30+ minutes to watch the documentary, and I’m convinced.

Now what?


42 posted on 04/19/2010 10:12:31 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: paratrooper82
Their mere beliefs, thoughts, and understandings, no matter how twisted they may be, is also an excuse for the massacre of over 150 Americans!

Shouldn't that be "Their mere beliefs, thoughts, and understandings, no matter how twisted they may be, is also NOT an excuse for the massacre of over 150 Americans!"

43 posted on 04/19/2010 10:13:32 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Turbo Pig

We know that, the government obviously believes differently.


44 posted on 04/19/2010 10:23:07 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

To expand on my earlier point about SWAT teams. I completely get the need for SWAT (used to be called HRT for Hostage Rescue Team) in HOSTAGE situations. Which is how they were first introduced.

Can someone then tell me, short of a hostage situation, (or perhaps where someone has barricaded themselves into a house or building and is firing at passersby which is essentially a variant on the hostage theme) where these GI Joe tactics are justified in domestic law enforcement?


45 posted on 04/19/2010 10:24:13 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: faucetman
Amen Brother!!!!
46 posted on 04/19/2010 10:24:40 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

I guess you’re talking about me and my Church. I wonder when the ATF will come after Msgr. Sheridan...


47 posted on 04/19/2010 10:27:36 AM PDT by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: crazydad

Koresh “married” many underage females, with the consent of their parents, and consummated those “marriages.”


48 posted on 04/19/2010 10:29:19 AM PDT by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: karnage
It must be too big to fail.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

49 posted on 04/19/2010 10:30:57 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: VRW Conspirator

Didn’t the FBI surround the compound while GHW Bush was still President?


50 posted on 04/19/2010 10:33:19 AM PDT by Pelham (Obamacare, the new Final Solution.)
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