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New Tribe Rising?
Townhall.com ^ | April 20, 2010 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 04/20/2010 6:36:39 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: sydney smith

Well, I suppose these folks should be told what they can DO about 0bama,

and then you’ll see them start showing up.


61 posted on 04/20/2010 8:56:12 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Clemenza

I see Brasil in our future too and it is a horrible place to live compared to here.

as you know I know this from having lived there when it was actually better


62 posted on 04/20/2010 9:04:46 AM PDT by wardaddy (Will adobe ever fix shockwave to work consistently?)
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To: kabar

it’s too late to grab that destiny I fear....we have tried for a very very long time

‘most minorities simply are not interested by and large and many of these poorer immigrants today are not like the Irish, Jews etc

they work..many do...but they vote entitlement and identity

we give amnesty to 30 million illegals and we are done fro generations and what we are dealing with now with Bro will seem quaint

why do most minorities vote different than most whites?

it’s debatable


63 posted on 04/20/2010 9:08:09 AM PDT by wardaddy (Will adobe ever fix shockwave to work consistently?)
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To: Kaslin

I’m a tea partier, and I am a rather swarthy Jewish guy.


64 posted on 04/20/2010 9:11:45 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: wardaddy
The ironic thing is that although crime has gotten worse and more violent, the economy has improved since Cardoso's reforms in the 1990s. What you have is many in the working poor moving into the lower middle class. The "underclass" that is left behind, however, is far more brazen than what we have here (and larger, in terms of % of the population, to boot).

I still wonder if the demographic shifts and the respective effects on politics will cause a turn away from ideology to politics based on personality (as is the case in Brazil and, interestingly enough, New York City).

65 posted on 04/20/2010 9:16:09 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Kaslin
The coming conflict is not so much racial as it is cultural, political and tribal. ......White America is the house divided, for it is in the womb of white America that this new people is gestating and fighting to be born.


66 posted on 04/20/2010 9:22:37 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin "the Thrilla from Wasilla")
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To: wardaddy
Milton Friedman said, “You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.”

We didn't get to the welfare state until the 1930s. LBJ just expanded it and the 1965 Immigration Act opened the floodgates to the Third World. The past immigration waves of the 1800s and early 1900s did not occur with a welfare state in place. Between 1924 and 1965 we had a stable immigration rate of 300,000 a year. Now we have a permanent and increasing wave of immigration coupled with an expanding welfare state. 53% of immigrants are on welfare. We are importing poverty.

why do most minorities vote different than most whites?

The Democrats created the artificial category of “Hispanics” in the 1970s as a way to create another class of victims, which they could imbue with special rights and privileges, including affirmative action and minority business set asides. The result is another minority group that votes Democrat. It doesn’t matter that, according to the Census Bureau, 51 percent of Hispanics self-identify themselves as white. The Census Bureau has even created the phony category of “non-Hispanic whites,” which are now 66 percent of the population and will be 50 percent in 2042. The reality is that “whites” will still be more than 70 percent of the population in 2042.

The Democrats are the party of free stuff. Bringing in more and more poor people, most of whom are minorities as defined by the USG, translates into more people dependent upon big government. The out of wedlock birth rates for Hispanics is 50% topped only by the black rate of 68%. School drop out rates for both groups is above 50%. The social pathology for failure in this society is coming from single family households and poor education. We are creating a permanent underclass.

Historically, minorities and immigrants have vote more for the Dems. Immigrants settle primarily in large cities, virtually all of them run by the Dems. Immigration just imports more Dem voters.

67 posted on 04/20/2010 9:25:17 AM PDT by kabar
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To: sydney smith
Italians and many Hispanics have a better claim on whiteness (in the sense that both are European) than Armenians, Persians, Arabs, Jews, etc. "Whiteness" is relative and Italians were not considered "white" in much of America until WWII, when we were finally "accepted" as "white Americans."

The late Irish Gangster Mickey Spillane (NOT the mystery writer) once remarked that he couldn't get control of the waterfront unions because "there is not one white man working there these days." This was in the 1930s, when Italians dominated unskilled dockwork in New York.

68 posted on 04/20/2010 9:43:28 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Jewbacca
I’m a tea partier, and I am a rather swarthy Jewish guy.

Do you have a sister? Swarthy and Jewish are a nice combination.

"Whiteness" in America has actually had little to do with European ancestry, and more as a construct of "social acceptance" by the host population, which is why folks of non-European ancestry were incorporated into the "white" category decades ago, and why certain ethnic groups from Europe (Italians, Portuguese, Slavs, etc.) were considered "nonwhite" until they assimilated.

69 posted on 04/20/2010 9:46:38 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Clemenza

“Do you have a sister? Swarthy and Jewish are a nice combination.”

Two older, two younger, the single one (youngest) is a reserve sniper. I believe her profile is on JMatch. Very pretty.


70 posted on 04/20/2010 10:20:51 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Clemenza

Now I get you. My father tells me that he wasn’t considered white where he grew up. He is Sicilian. I didn’t get your point earlier. Sorry.


71 posted on 04/20/2010 10:28:25 AM PDT by sydney smith
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To: sydney smith
As it was written? Like in legalized slavery? Like in the importation clause? Like the 3/5 clause?

Yes. Our founders gave us the mechanism by which to change this and it was changed via the 13th amendment and that wretched period of our nation became a thing of the past. Slavery was an abomination and justly and legally abolished. The same can be said for women's right to vote. The 19th amendment did this in 1920.

I do not fear my constitution. I do fear judical activism taking over the role of legislature. If you do not like something in the constitution, change it by amendment.

I much prefer the wisdom of Anthony Scalia's quote, "The only problem with a living constitution is that it destroys the constitution."

As it was written? Like in legalized slavery? Like in the importation clause? Like the 3/5 clause

Please do not throw me anymore red herrings and straw men. I will not reply.

72 posted on 04/20/2010 10:37:33 AM PDT by cpdiii (Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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To: Texan Tory

> Which ethnicities were previously not considered to
> be ‘white,’ but now they are? I’m not saying that you’re
> wrong, I am just curious about this.

As the son of Italian immigrants, I can assure you that we were not considered “white” in the New England Yankee sense of the word.

We were considered dagos, wops, guineas, greaseballs, spaghetti benders, ant-men, etc.

You get the idea.

Our parents and grandparents spoke with funny accents, we had a different appearance than our gaelic and anglo-saxon predecessors and neighbors, and our food smelled weird to them. Imagine! Our mother would pack our lunches rather than give us a quarter to eat the slop in the school caf.


73 posted on 04/20/2010 10:41:31 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: wardaddy

“folks don’t even read it....they just preen how Pat must be racist”

I read through this without first noting who the author was, and got thoroughly offended by Pat anew. There is nothing racial in the Tea Party argument for limiting government and supporting the Constitution. To suggest, as he does, that this is some sort of “Whiteness” associated with it is asinine and insidious. How typical of him.


74 posted on 04/20/2010 11:18:46 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: Kaslin
Black America seems united. White America is the house divided, for it is in the womb of white America that this new people is gestating and fighting to be born.

Wrong! (and stupid!)

It's Conservatives that are a house divided. The Republican leaders aren't even Conservatives - they're Liberal Lites.

And do we want fiscal Conservativism or social Conservatism?

75 posted on 04/20/2010 11:20:39 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Huck muck, Mitt spit, Palin bailin', Brown frown, McCain insane, Bachmann overdrive!)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
corrected:

Black America seems united. White America is the house divided, for it is in the womb of white America that this new people is gestating and fighting to be born.

Wrong! (and stupid!)

It's Conservatives that are a house divided. The Republican leaders aren't even Conservatives - they're Liberal Lites.

And do we want fiscal Conservatism or social Conservatism?

76 posted on 04/20/2010 11:23:44 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Huck muck, Mitt spit, Palin bailin', Brown frown, McCain insane, Bachmann overdrive!)
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To: Westbrook

I never heard “ant-men”. Do you know the origin of that one?


77 posted on 04/20/2010 12:20:55 PM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: wardaddy
we have been waiting for blacks to vote right for 50 years no[w]

50 years ago, the black people that were allowed to vote were predominantly Republican. It wasn't until Nixon's "Southern Strategy" that the black vote began shifting to the dems.

78 posted on 04/20/2010 12:59:11 PM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: stop_fascism

wrong..blacks voted Democrat after New Deal...LBJ’s entitlements cemented it....Nixon’s Southern Strategy ..lol

Southern whites flocked to the GOP min droves because black entitlements affected them far more than it did Yankees

and the Dems lost any social conservatism they once had and the GOP picked up some anew from the Dixiecrat newcomers


79 posted on 04/20/2010 2:18:04 PM PDT by wardaddy (Will adobe ever fix shockwave to work consistently?)
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To: rightwingcrazy; Travis McGee

go to a tea party event and see how it is overwhelmingly white and then see how whites 55% fort McCain was not enough because of minority growth and then tell me how come whiteness has zip to do with whether conservatives win

you may not like that fact but it doesn’t change it

we have pandered our britches off to minorities for 3 generations

most simply don’t buy it

by all means put minorities out front and center for the media but it doesn’t change diddly..90% or more of tea partiers are peckerwoods

average tea partier is white and old....which doesn’t bode well for the future does it?


80 posted on 04/20/2010 2:22:17 PM PDT by wardaddy (Will adobe ever fix shockwave to work consistently?)
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