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Approaching apocalypse: Will Obama docs surface?
World Net Daily ^ | April 20, 2010 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 04/20/2010 8:02:29 PM PDT by Smokeyblue

The defense attorney for an officer refusing Army orders until Barack Obama documents his eligibility to be commander in chief has hinted that the president's proof of eligibility could come up during the course of the government's prosecution of his client.

"In the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice), just as you would expect, criminal defendants have the process of the court, for subpoenas and depositions under the rules that are prescribed," attorney Paul Jensen said during an interview today on the radio show of G. Gordon Liddy.

Jensen was on the program with his client, Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, who posted a YouTube video inviting his own court-martial because he believes military orders under an ineligible president are illegal, and then posted a letter telling Obama that it's up to him to provide the proof.

"I'm not going to say what we are going to do other than we are going to do what you would want us to do," Jensen said.

He specifically avoided broadcasting any specific defense strategy for the case that is developing against Lakin – confirming that the officer was told in writing on Monday that he now has been "flagged" by the military and charges are expected to be filed soon.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: army; birthcertificate; certifigate; eligible; fraud; ineligible; lakin; military; naturalborncitizen; obama; terrylakin; wnd
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BORN IN THE USA? Approaching apocalypse: Will Obama docs surface? Attorney hints proof of eligibility will come up in officer's defense

1 posted on 04/20/2010 8:02:29 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

Obama, you arrogant democrat, show us your long form and explain to us why you spent $2 million in legal fees to keep it from us.


2 posted on 04/20/2010 8:08:41 PM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Will Obama docs surface?
Ha,ha. They’ll give the officer 90 days peeling potatoes, then “forget” the whole thing ever happened. It’ll never see the inside of a court...../s;)


3 posted on 04/20/2010 8:09:24 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Smokeyblue

So Barrack did you order the code red yet


4 posted on 04/20/2010 8:09:54 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: Smokeyblue

The colonel will not be seeing those documents. The trial judge advocate will present that the United States House of Rep and the U.S. Senate counted the electoral ballots. Each of which was duly accepted and submitted by each of the 50 states. The election results were certified on JAN 6 2010 and that is the end of the matter. The Military judge will not accept the need to go beyond the acceptance and certification by Congress. Nice try though.


5 posted on 04/20/2010 8:10:01 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (Never compromise with evil! Even in the face of Armageddon!! Rorshach)
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To: Smokeyblue; ExTexasRedhead; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; nutmeg; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican
This case, combined with states such as AZ requiring proof in 2012 should/could prove to be the potential fatal blow to Soetoro.

What's he going to do - not run in ‘x’ number of states in 2012?

6 posted on 04/20/2010 8:12:06 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Paul Ryan/Greg Abbott in 2012.)
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To: Smokeyblue
Will Obama docs surface?

Not at Lakin's court martial, no.

7 posted on 04/20/2010 8:12:12 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Smokeyblue

Someone please explain again why the (2) newspaper birth announcements do not lend credibility to Obama’s American birth? I am at a loss to understand how these could be fradulent, planted or anticipatory of baby Obama’s future presidency.


8 posted on 04/20/2010 8:15:20 PM PDT by yetidog
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To: Smokeyblue
“military orders under an ineligible president are illegal”

This doesn't make sense. Bozo was still elected and sworn in as president. Even assuming that Bozo is ineligible to serve, that doesn't invalidate the law. His actions as president are still authoritative.

Analogy: say it turned out that a recently hired CEO of a major corporation lied on his resume and didn't meet basic requirements for the job. But, when the board of directors discover the violation, they decide to keep him in office. The CEO would still be the boss.

9 posted on 04/20/2010 8:17:12 PM PDT by garjog
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To: GOPsterinMA

Given that every day reveals more corruption and incompetence, I would be surprised if he even finishes out his “first really good” term.

That being said he would have to be nominated by his party ~ seems to be a long shot to me.


10 posted on 04/20/2010 8:18:21 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Live Free or Fight!!")
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To: xkaydet65

BULL CRAP!! Do You get your Paycheck from OBAMA-SOROS, INC.?


11 posted on 04/20/2010 8:20:03 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: xkaydet65

“Nice try though.”

Your assuming the military doesn’t want the answer, and second, it would invite an appeal in federal court to deny such a demand.


12 posted on 04/20/2010 8:20:19 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: yetidog
from How the Media Lied about Obama’s Birth Records thread.

Under Section 57 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii (in effect in 1961), a mailed-in form (without mention of a hospital, doctor, or midwife) signed by only one of Obama's parents (who could have been out of the country or whose signature could have been forged by a grandparent) or grandparents, would be enough to set up a birth record at the Department of Vital Statistics. This meager birth record would then automatically generate newspaper announcements, and also, a computer-generated COLB in 2008.

13 posted on 04/20/2010 8:20:33 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: yetidog

If he was born in Kenya and returned to U.S. after a few days and birth announcement provided to paper (either by mother upon return or relatives hearing of birth). I have no idea, just guessing.


14 posted on 04/20/2010 8:22:07 PM PDT by coaltrain
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To: yetidog

Did You ever notice the Bullcrap printed everyday? or You a person who believes ROCKS have Brilliant I.Q’s? Just Asking because I am curious!....:-)


15 posted on 04/20/2010 8:23:05 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: yetidog

I’ll give it a try:

The (2) newspaper birth announcements are too far downstream from the fraud, if indeed a fraud happened, of obtaining a birth certificate.

For argument sake, suppose that Barack Obama was born in Kenya during a visit there by his parents as alleged. How would they get an American birth certificate on record? Easy. Hawaii law in 1961 allowed for walk-in recording of births up to a year after birth. (because some weren’t born in hospitals). So, when the Obamas get back to Hawaii, someone walks in to the records department and registers the birth. (Here is where the fraud would have ocurred).

Then the birth certificate gets created and filed, and takes its natural course in the Vital Statistics bureau - including routinely getting reported out to newspapers.

I’m not saying that it did happen that way. Just that it is possible. The newpaper records are not proof that Obama was born in the US, just proof that there is a birth certificate on file in Hawaii - however obtained.

This is the most mis-reported story in the last year IMHO.


16 posted on 04/20/2010 8:23:18 PM PDT by News Junkie ( Reason and Faith)
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To: garjog

“But, when the board of directors discover the violation, they decide to keep him in office.”

The board of directors doesn’t have a Constitution to deal with...


17 posted on 04/20/2010 8:23:36 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: True Republican Patriot

When I see a post that makes me angry, before I make a fool of myself with an accusation, I check out the posters past comments. Try it.


18 posted on 04/20/2010 8:24:13 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (Never compromise with evil! Even in the face of Armageddon!! Rorshach)
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To: garjog
Analogy: say it turned out that a recently hired CEO of a major corporation lied on his resume and didn't meet basic requirements for the job. But, when the board of directors discover the violation, they decide to keep him in office. The CEO would still be the boss.

In your analogy the corporation would have to amend the company's founding documents which state that someone without X is ineligible to be CEO, and the board of directors must win a 2/3 vote of all the departments heads to change the founding documents. Obama does not have the right to be president, period. I do not consider him to be my president. He's a Communist infiltrator, and will get his due one day. I personally am 1/300 millionth president of the USA right now. He is Zero!

19 posted on 04/20/2010 8:24:39 PM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: xkaydet65

Thank you! You confirmed my conclusion, there You go again!


20 posted on 04/20/2010 8:27:59 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: opentalk

Bingo!! I have always believed that Obama’s grandmother, knowing the vital importance of American citizenship, did all the footwork in Hawaii. Probably before grandbaby ever set foot in the country.


21 posted on 04/20/2010 8:29:22 PM PDT by biff
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To: MarineBrat

lol.


22 posted on 04/20/2010 8:29:42 PM PDT by TauntedTiger (Keep away from the fence!)
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To: incredulous joe; Clintonfatigued; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; ExTexasRedhead
Good points!

I don't think it's ever been done, although I believe it's possible: has a major party candidate ever run for POTUS without appearing on all the states ballots?

Outside of Abraham Lincoln in 1864, I can't think of any others. And 1864 was a special case, to be sure.

So would the DNC try to run Soetoro in say, 40 states instead of 50, if 10 states passed a proof of eligibility law? If that doesn't prove Soetoro is ineligible, I don't know what does.

Thoughts/comments?

23 posted on 04/20/2010 8:29:57 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Paul Ryan/Greg Abbott in 2012.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

I don’t believe Arizona’s proof requirement has been formally voted on yet.


24 posted on 04/20/2010 8:30:47 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: garjog
"“military orders under an ineligible president are illegal”

The order to report to Fort Campbell is not an illegal order. But facts are a terrible burden for many folks. :-)

25 posted on 04/20/2010 8:31:12 PM PDT by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: yetidog
Someone please explain again why the (2) newspaper birth announcements do not lend credibility to Obama’s American birth? I am at a loss to understand how these could be fradulent, planted or anticipatory of baby Obama’s future presidency.

Try this: Obama most likely was born in Hawaii but the people we have been told were his parents are not the ones we have been told.

The guy from Kenya allowed his name to be used, but he was not the biological father. This would explain one reason to hide the original documents, and why no one remembers the birth. Mixed race people are not unusual in Hawaii, but a Kenyan father would be exotic and memorable.

Or perhaps this: Stanley Dunham was actually Obama's father, and his mother an unknown woman with dark skin. Stanley Dunham wanted a son so badly that he named his daughter Stanley. By maintaining the fiction that the boy was his daughter's son, he got to raise the son he always wanted.

Placing the birth notices in the newspapers was just the beginning of establishing false parentage. No one imagined then that it would become meaningful later.
26 posted on 04/20/2010 8:31:23 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: yetidog
“Someone please explain again why the (2) newspaper birth announcements do not lend credibility to Obama’s American birth? I am at a loss to understand how these could be fraudulent, planted or anticipatory of baby Obama’s future presidency.”

You see, there was a Santanic conspiracy to put Obama in office. Time travelers went back to Honolulu in 1961 to submit fraudulent birth announcements in the two papers to cover up that he was actually born in Kenya. It was a clever trick, but we are not fooled.

Then a “fake” birth certificate was produced by a group of space aliens and Al Qadea agents using photo-shop and sent out to the media.

A Wicken Coven also stepped in to use CIA mind control technology to brain wash the governor of Hawaii and Hospital officials to keep the real documents hidden.

It all make sense when you know the secret story.

27 posted on 04/20/2010 8:31:51 PM PDT by garjog
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To: yetidog

My understanding is that these newspaper announcements are made routinely under a number of circumstances. They are done even when the baby was not born in hawaii.


28 posted on 04/20/2010 8:31:58 PM PDT by Clump (the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: stuartcr
Ok then, assuming it does pass and then several other states also pass similar laws.
29 posted on 04/20/2010 8:32:15 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Paul Ryan/Greg Abbott in 2012.)
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To: yetidog
Someone please explain again why the (2) newspaper birth announcements do not lend credibility to Obama’s American birth? I am at a loss to understand how these could be fradulent, planted or anticipatory of baby Obama’s future presidency.

Because Hawaii had extremely lax birth registration laws in 1961.

You could have been born anywhere and Hawaii would have accepted any information that anyone could have sent in on a mail-in form. Born on Mars? No problem. Just fill out the form that you were born on Oahu and you get a certificate! Isn't that cool???

Seriously.....read the link....and then read this one on Attorney Mario Apuzzo's website where he explains the newspaper announcements legally don't mean a birth occurred in Hawaii, just that a birth was REGISTERED in Hawaii.

30 posted on 04/20/2010 8:33:43 PM PDT by conservativegramma (If Congress refuses to listen, its taxation without representation all over again)
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To: Smokeyblue

Look, he was born in the USA because 1) no pregant woman flies to Kenya to have a baby and 2) Barack Obama, Sr. IS NOT HIS REAL FATHER.


31 posted on 04/20/2010 8:34:03 PM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: Nightshift

gnip


32 posted on 04/20/2010 8:34:11 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or ...off..)
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To: LucyT; BP2; rxsid

ping


33 posted on 04/20/2010 8:34:37 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or ...off..)
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To: True Republican Patriot

You confirmed you made a fool of yourself? That’s a good first step Eleven more to go.


34 posted on 04/20/2010 8:35:00 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (Never compromise with evil! Even in the face of Armageddon!! Rorshach)
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To: Smokeyblue
I just thought of something... what if Obama goes to Arizona and has a police officer ask him for proof of citizenship....

Priceless.....

35 posted on 04/20/2010 8:35:32 PM PDT by erman (A day without democrats is like a day without toilets backing up)
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To: GOPsterinMA

You meant Lincoln in 1860.


36 posted on 04/20/2010 8:35:34 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: garjog

DUH! Anybody can call in an announcement and it will be printed! ANYBODY!!! Are You Stupid? An Announcement in a Newspaper is NOT A LEGAL DOCUMENT!! DUH!!


37 posted on 04/20/2010 8:36:10 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: GOPsterinMA

That’s quite an assumption, but I am looking forward to the voting results from AZ.


38 posted on 04/20/2010 8:36:34 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Smokeyblue
Lt. Col. Terry Lakin is a hero in my book.
39 posted on 04/20/2010 8:37:16 PM PDT by jarofants
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To: GOPsterinMA

...and Fremont in 1856. All the Southern and border states kept the first & second GOP Presidential candidates off the ballot.


40 posted on 04/20/2010 8:38:15 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: garjog

I think you’re on to something...


41 posted on 04/20/2010 8:38:43 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: yetidog

The condition of “natural born birth” vis-a-vis eligibility for U. S. presidency requires that both parents be U. S. citizens.


42 posted on 04/20/2010 8:38:47 PM PDT by Elsiejay (.)
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To: xkaydet65

Let the Audience be the Judge! Your judgment is highly suspect, probably almost as good as OBOZO’S! GOSH! Thaaaaaaats pretty Pathetic! EHH!


43 posted on 04/20/2010 8:39:36 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: jarofants

“Lt. Col. Terry Lakin is a hero in my book.”

In my book as well.


44 posted on 04/20/2010 8:39:36 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: xkaydet65; babygene
It would appear that the UCMJ allows for just as broad a range of discovery as civil law:

"“Providing broad discovery at an early stage reduces pretrial motions practice and surprise and delay at trial. It leads to better-informed judgment about the merits of the case and encourages early decisions concerning withdrawal of charges, motions, pleas, and composition of court-martial. In short, experience has shown that broad discovery contributes substantially to the truth-finding process and to the efficiency with which it functions. It is essential to the administration of justice; because assembling the military judge, counsel, members, accused, and witnesses is frequently costly and time consuming, clarification or resolution of matters before trial is essential.” MANUAL FOR COURTS-MARTIAL, United States, RCM 701 analysis, app. 21, at A21-33 (2008) [hereinafter MCM].
45 posted on 04/20/2010 8:40:11 PM PDT by shibumi (FReepMail me to get on the "Hippo Attack" ping list!)
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To: Smokeyblue

“Hemenway said the message was that “he will shortly be court-martialed for crimes (specifically, missing movement and conduct unbecoming an officer) that for others has led to lengthy imprisonment at hard labor.”

Well they said he will be court martialed and will get hard labor. Well go for it Obama. If this man is facing ANY prison then the Congress vote count and other evidence will not be enough. The Doctor will be able to get more evidence.

My guess is Obama will back down further showing he is not eligble.


46 posted on 04/20/2010 8:40:29 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain & Graham = La Raza's favorite Senators)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I don't think so, no. The whole USA voted for the same candidates in the 1860 election. Right - the CSA hadn't formed yet, so the Southern states would have voted for either Lincoln or Breckinridge - yes?!?

I was thinking 1864; that Lincoln wasn't on any CSA state ballots, obviously, even though they were/are states.

47 posted on 04/20/2010 8:42:29 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Paul Ryan/Greg Abbott in 2012.)
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To: xkaydet65

Why did You use a Question mark? Are You so Liberal and Twisted, You cant figure out what you believe? Just asking??


48 posted on 04/20/2010 8:42:58 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: babygene
A military court is run by THE MILITARY. Oblama is the Commander in Chief of the MILITARY. Guess what? He just tells them to forget about it and they will. It's called chain of command and there is nothing in this world that can usurp it. The ONLY way Oblama is going to be removed from office other than voted out in 2012 is if the Supreme Court saw some reason to question his eligibility. That just isn't going to happen.
49 posted on 04/20/2010 8:43:17 PM PDT by reardensteel
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To: True Republican Patriot

Let’s see. My judgement is that this effort to see the documents comes to a dead end. Your judgement is that I’m an Obama Soros troll whose been here since Aug. 2000 just waiting for this opportunity. Okay call Jim and ask him to ban me.


50 posted on 04/20/2010 8:43:20 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (Never compromise with evil! Even in the face of Armageddon!! Rorshach)
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