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Does a kosher butcher’s fraud mandate a life sentence?
Jerusalem Post ^ | 4-21-10 | SHMULEY BOTEACH

Posted on 04/21/2010 5:40:54 AM PDT by SJackson

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Israeli company bids for Agriprocessors
Jerusalem Post ^ | 1-28-09 | JTA
FR Posted 01/28/2009 by Nachum

An Israeli company has made an offer to buy the kosher meat producer Agriprocessors. The Israeli company, Soglowek Nahariya, made the offer in a filing Sunday with an Iowa bankruptcy court, the Des Moines Register reported.

Agriprocessors, once the country's largest producer of kosher meat, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in November. The company had been on a steady downward spiral since May, when federal agents descended on the company's Postville slaughterhouse and arrested more than one-third of its workforce in what was at the time the largest single-site immigration raid in American history.

Joseph Sarachek, a bankruptcy trustee who is temporarily running Agriprocessors, was encouraged by the offer from Soglowek Nahariya, a leading producer of meat, poultry and vegetarian products with five plants in Israel and three logistics centers, according to its Web site. Sarachek cautioned that it would be a few months before any sale is complete.

21 posted on 04/21/2010 6:40:18 AM PDT by Liz (If teens can procreate in a Volkswagen, why does a spotted owl need 2000 acres? JD Hayworth)
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To: SJackson

Rabbi Boteach is 100% correct. Heat was attracted to Agriprocessors, Rabbi Rubashkin’s company, because of the complaints of PETA and others of alleged cruelty to animals in the kosher butchering process. Later Agriprocessors was accused of employing hundreds of illegal aliens.

Ultimately, the entire legal case was based on the fact that Agriprocessors had a revolving line of credit; that each time Agriprocessors drew down on the line it had to certify that it was in compliance with the law; that the company allegedly was not in compliance with the law (primarily because of hiring illegal aliens and booking phoney accounts receivable); and that therefore this was a federal case of bank fraud because the bank’s parent company was insured by the FDIC.

Rubashkin was a senior officer of Agriprocessors acting in his corporate capacity. None of the acts was alleged to have been done by him outside of his capacity as an officer of Agriprocessors.

At the beginning of the trial Rubashkin successfully moved for the illegal alien matter to be tried separately, in a separate trial. Yet the government made that the crux of its entire case, alleging that Agriprocessors was breaking the law by hiring them, Rubashkin signed general “bring-down” certificates to its bank that that the company was not in violation of any laws, and that therefore he committed bank fraud.

Rubashkin was denied the opportunity to show that the bank was not harmed. The judge wrote in her order that proof of harm is not necessary to prove bank fraud.

Rubashkin was denied the opportunity to show that individuals in the bank were aware that Agriprocessors had fraudulently written up the receivables.

Rubashkin was denied the opportunity to show that he had not profited personally from any of Agriprocessors’ or his own actions.

The number of counts for which he was convicted rose exponentially as the prosecutors charged him multiple times for offenses stemming out of the same actions: defrauding the bank; defrauding the bank through use of the wires (because he faxed his certificates); defrauding the bank through use of the mails (because he sent them by courier); defrauding the bank because he said that the company was not in violation of the law although it was in violation of the immigration laws; defrauding the bank because he said that the company was not in violation of the law although it was in violation of a law requiring payment for cattle by the close of the next business day after receipt of the cows (during a three-month period at the end he was late with some payments, and there is no allegation in the order that these payments were never made).

While some of this was properly excluded from the trial over his guilt, I think it is highly relevant to the question of his sentence.

I believe that Agriprocessors was guilty. Agriprocessors was ruined, and liquidated in bankruptcy. If Rabbi Rubashkin knew about illegal immigrants working at the company and if he deliberately falsified compliance certificates to the bank then the bank should sue him personally (and perhaps the government should join the bank derivatively). But there is no justification in the world to sentence him to a life sentence in a federal penitentiary based on the conviction that he received in this case.

Since sentencing is to take place April 28, 2010, time is of the essence in expressing concern about the abuse of the justice system in this case.


22 posted on 04/21/2010 6:44:01 AM PDT by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: hlmencken3

It’s not the “Rubashkin gang”. It’s Rabbi Sholom Rubashkin individually, the father of 10, including an autistic child, who the court is being asked to sentence to jail for THE REST OF HIS LIFE. Read the analysis of the case that I just posted. This is an abuse of the justice system.


23 posted on 04/21/2010 6:45:43 AM PDT by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: capt. norm; SJackson
On what charge was he convicted? On that charge, alone, should his sentenced be based. Period.

If the prosecutor tries and convicts him on those other charges, then those sentences should add to his incarceration time.

The above applies to any American, any religion, no matter the perpetrator's extra-criminal character manifestations.

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OTOH, consistent application of a life sentence for hiring illegal aliens would go a long way toward shutting down the illicit job market that entices those criminal invaders to violate our borders.

Start with Rubashkin pour encourage les autres. Sweep the nation clean of offenders (including Nancy Pelosi?). Dry up the gravy train, and drive the invaders back where they came from!

24 posted on 04/21/2010 6:46:24 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: massgopguy

An individual is threatened with being sent to jail for the rest of his life over this conviction. The hearing is scheduled for April 28, 2010. That is a huge rush.


25 posted on 04/21/2010 6:46:50 AM PDT by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: Piranha

The case was prosecuted by confessions and guilty pleas from his employees.


26 posted on 04/21/2010 6:47:21 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: SJackson; avoth
Elsewhere on the net, it appears the govt is asking for 20ish years, NOT "life". A big headline year count for a non-violent perp is almost always truncated before half the sentence is served.

It would be useful to know what sentences similar circumstances have generated in the past, before judging if the prosecutors are too harsh.

He was offered a plea deal, but turned it down, choosing to go to trial, despite the mountains of evidence against him.

I have a hard time being sympathic, sorry.

27 posted on 04/21/2010 6:47:31 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: JoyjoyfromNJ

Nobody is arguing that Rabbi Rubashkin was innocent. The issue is over the sentence that the prosecutors are seeking. A life sentence is outrageously disproportionate.


28 posted on 04/21/2010 6:49:46 AM PDT by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: SJackson
There has been a book written about the slaughterhouse problems in Postville...It's a few years old now so it may not cover the most recent twists and turns in this case, but the 2001 Bloom book might still be worth a look for anyone interested in the background of this bizarre case.
29 posted on 04/21/2010 6:53:01 AM PDT by kaylar (It's MARTIAL law. Not marshal(l) or marital! This has been a spelling PSA. PS Secede not succeed)
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To: capt. norm

I don’t know what health violations you are discussing here. Agriprocessors was not charged with any such alleged violations, and as an aware consumer of kosher food I never heard of them.

Here is an article by a vegetarian “activist” about the conditions at Agriprocessors. Read and enjoy: http://www.resourcesforlife.com/docs/item2734


30 posted on 04/21/2010 6:55:56 AM PDT by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: 240B

And what does this have to do with the prosecutor’s attempt to get the court to impose a life sentence on Sholom Rubashkin? Because you knew some Jews who ignored laws this individual should go to jail for the rest of his life based on conviction of these charges? Do you mean that all Jews from Europe, Asia and the Middle East are the same? I don’t even know that Rabbi Rubashkin was born outside of the US (he may have been; I just don’t know this).


31 posted on 04/21/2010 6:58:19 AM PDT by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: TXnMA
My only point was that they ALWAYS leave out the fact that they were a filthy processing company and not some Mom & Pop operation that kept their nose clean.

I have no sympathy for them...that's what I'm saying.

I think the fraud and illegal alien stuff is MILD compared to what they did to the innocent public by selling them tainted food and calling it "kosher".

It's like hearing that a known meth-lab owner got a speeding ticket.

32 posted on 04/21/2010 6:59:24 AM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: Piranha
Nobody is arguing that Rabbi Rubashkin was innocent. The issue is over the sentence that the prosecutors are seeking. A life sentence is outrageously disproportionate.

It appears he was offered a plea deal. He opted for a trial. He gambled and lost. Such is the American justice system today, with prosecutors' main objective being to clear their dockets and maximize their conviction rates.

That said, he gambled and lost. His main hope at this point is to tell the feds everything he knows about any illegal activity of anybody he knows.

33 posted on 04/21/2010 7:00:22 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Liz

You brought up the meth labs twice in your slam, boldfaced both times. I understand from other accounts that this was a false accusation that never re-emerged after the dust settled.

If it were true, it would have been prosecuted. This would have been a highly damning fact, and would have justified an extremely severe sentence as far as I am concerned.

Do you really think the prosecutors would have ignored that in their indictment?


34 posted on 04/21/2010 7:02:16 AM PDT by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: Liz

The sale failed. I believe the company was liquidated.


35 posted on 04/21/2010 7:03:01 AM PDT by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: jjotto

Again, I don’t contest that the company was guilty and that he was an officer of the company. I do object strenuously to the prosecutors seeking a life term in jail, particularly as (a) the trial based on hiring illegal aliens was to be held separately from the trial alleging bank fraud and (b) Rubashkin was not permitted to prove that the bank was not harmed by his fraudulent compliance certificates.


36 posted on 04/21/2010 7:05:27 AM PDT by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: NativeNewYorker

It was a shock last week when the prosecutors indicated that they were going to seek a life sentence instead of a term of 20+ years.


37 posted on 04/21/2010 7:07:13 AM PDT by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: Piranha
They were cited...and OFTEN. I lived about 45 miles from there and I have seen what you only read about.

The state (Iowa) alone fined them $182,000 in violations just in 2008 alone, and the safety violations involved workers getting "involuntary amputations" of various body parts. Worker safety was almost non-existent, so that had to go to extremes to find workers who would tolerate those conditions (illegals). They often refused to let inspectors into the plant, and would stall until they could get it "looking good".

38 posted on 04/21/2010 7:09:15 AM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: PapaBear3625

He decided not to take a guilty plea because he believed he would be exonerated at trial. I don’t disagree with the guilty plea. I do think it is an appalling abuse of the justice system to seek a life sentence for him following conviction. I surmise that whoever advised him to fight had no idea that the prosecutors would seek such an abusive sentence for this man upon conviction.


39 posted on 04/21/2010 7:09:16 AM PDT by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: capt. norm

Do you have any links to this information?

Were there more accidents/amputations in the Agriprocessors facilities than occurred in other slaughterhouses? (I’m not saying there weren’t; I don’t know, as I never saw this issue raised before).

If the facility was so unsafe, why wasn’t it shut down by the state of Iowa? Was such an action ever raised by the state?


40 posted on 04/21/2010 7:12:11 AM PDT by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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