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Ending the Slavery Blame-Game (Obama Favors Reparations in Theory)
New York Times ^ | April 23, 2010 | Henry Lousi Gates, Jr.

Posted on 04/23/2010 8:51:34 AM PDT by C19fan

THANKS to an unlikely confluence of history and genetics — the fact that he is African-American and president — Barack Obama has a unique opportunity to reshape the debate over one of the most contentious issues of America’s racial legacy: reparations, the idea that the descendants of American slaves should receive compensation for their ancestors’ unpaid labor and bondage.

There are many thorny issues to resolve before we can arrive at a judicious (if symbolic) gesture to match such a sustained, heinous crime. Perhaps the most vexing is how to parcel out blame to those directly involved in the capture and sale of human beings for immense economic gain.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: africa; blackpresident; henrygates; reparations; slavery; trade; ushistory
At least give credit to Dr. Gates for pointing a figure at Africa itself. At the end is:

So how could President Obama untangle the knot? In David Remnick’s new book “The Bridge: The Life and Rise of Barack Obama,” one of the president’s former students at the University of Chicago comments on Mr. Obama’s mixed feelings about the reparations movement: “He told us what he thought about reparations. He agreed entirely with the theory of reparations. But in practice he didn’t think it was really workable.”

1 posted on 04/23/2010 8:51:34 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

So the families of all the Union soldiers that fought and died to end slavery will finally be properly compensated?


2 posted on 04/23/2010 8:53:13 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: C19fan

If they weren’t so serious about this crap, it would be funny.

Yet the latest Obamapoll shows this moron still has an approval rating of about 30%.


3 posted on 04/23/2010 8:53:57 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: C19fan

Interesting...I thought there was something about Hussein’s ancestors that were involved in the other side of the slave trade, selling African slaves.


4 posted on 04/23/2010 8:56:46 AM PDT by KEmom (Getting ready to hop on the Tea Party Express!!!)
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To: C19fan

Any ‘reparations’ need to be set off against a race based charge based on property damage and intentional tort from the last 3 - 4 generations.


5 posted on 04/23/2010 8:58:37 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Is it sedition to defy usurpation?)
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To: Fido969

Excellent point!

How many lives?


6 posted on 04/23/2010 8:59:35 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: KEmom

Muslims controlled the african slave trade for over 1400 years...

Aside from that.... these reparations people should sit and rethink their position... as tough as they think they have it, or had it, they should look at their relatives still in F!!!!!-up Africa. Most have been killed by regional wars, sold into slavery or live in poverty....


7 posted on 04/23/2010 9:02:52 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: ZULU

Louis Gates, the affirmative action poster child, the famous Harvard Blowhard Professor of the ‘Beer Summit’ fame should not be taken seriously about anything having to do with race relations.

The elite blacks in this country are increasing becoming more like the black elites in countries like South Africa and Zimbabwe. They use the grievances of the masses of poor blacks to enrich themselves through racial preferences for themselves and their kids at prestigous schools, gov’t contract set asides for themselves and their cronies, gov’t handouts through grants and such. In the meantime they do nothing for their base.

The fact that Obama’s kids will be given preference over a poor white child of a drug addicted single mother when it comes to admission to a place like Harvard absolutely galls me. If we are to give preferences to anyone, it should be not based on race, but based on economic circumstances. The black elites in the US are using the same playbook those in SA and ZIM used after taking charge in their countries. Sadly, the results will be the same if they are allowed to play the race card and guilt white America into bending to their demands for reparations.


8 posted on 04/23/2010 9:03:37 AM PDT by milwguy
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To: C19fan

This is such a stupid idea I can’t believe we’re even talking about it. How long before Confederate soldiers’ kin ask for reparations? It could continue up to Iraq vets.

I laud Dr. Gate’s pointing out that it was black Africans who worked the slave market in Africa. After his arrest incident, I’m surprised he came out this way on the topic.


9 posted on 04/23/2010 9:04:04 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: C19fan

“He agreed entirely with the theory of reparations. But in practice he didn’t think it was really workable.”

Believe it or not, Obagabe is finding ways to make “it” work. Reparations by stealth is a primary goal of this man.


10 posted on 04/23/2010 9:06:19 AM PDT by Sloane_Ranger
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To: C19fan
the role Africans themselves played. And that role, it turns out, was a considerable one,

About da*n time someone put this in print. Very few people know this.

I wrote about this years ago - and my editor refused to print it - and anyone I talked to about it looked at me like I had two heads.

But now it's finally in print I think it would be hard for anyone to push through reparations...

We wouldn't have had the slaves had not the Africans captured them and brought them to the coast - whites were not about to go into the African mainlands back then.

And I said, way back, if you want to do reparations, let's start from the source of the problem - Africa, who sold her own people. (Talk about an 'inconvenient truth'.)

11 posted on 04/23/2010 9:06:34 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: C19fan

so, a half African-American with no American slave ancestry
has the answer ?


12 posted on 04/23/2010 9:11:43 AM PDT by stylin19a (Never buy a putter until you first get a chance to throw it)
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To: C19fan
King Obama in not half white, he has a pure black heart and a racist. Why do we think that the huge black population voted for this rotten corrupt nitwit.
13 posted on 04/23/2010 9:12:07 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: C19fan

And those of us whose ancestors arrived from Europe after the Civil War don’t have to pay, right?
It would be rather satisfying to trace the ancestry of some of the old silk-stocking New England families to see who was profiting from the sale of slaves.


14 posted on 04/23/2010 9:12:33 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: ZULU
Reparations has always been a pseudonym for welfare check.
15 posted on 04/23/2010 9:13:14 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: C19fan
More "obama, by the book" kneeling to the orders of his benefactors. He can't scratch his ass without Alinsky.

obama breathing

16 posted on 04/23/2010 9:13:18 AM PDT by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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To: C19fan

So reparations for Native Americans displaced from their lands will be made so they are properly compensated for their loss? How about reparations for southerners who were executed for operating the underground railroad to help slaves get to the north? What about reparations for Arab Slave traders who lost their source of income when slavery was abolished in America?


17 posted on 04/23/2010 9:14:37 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: C19fan

Since Obama is most likely the descendant of an African slave trader rather than a descendant of a slave, how would that affect the reparations that would be owed to Michelle.


18 posted on 04/23/2010 9:16:23 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: C19fan
the idea that the descendants of American slaves should receive compensation for their ancestors’ unpaid labor and bondage.

It seems to me that the opportunity they have in the USA for a life far better than would be likely had they been born in Africa should be compensation enough.

19 posted on 04/23/2010 9:17:53 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: maine-iac7; C19fan
I would go farther: I'd say that the reason why Africans enslaved other Africans for "sale" to European ship captains was because, intially, trade was conducted by spreading a sheet on the ground and laying out your wares.

You waited for the other side to respond.

There was no language to translate; neither party could speak with and engage with the other side.

It probably didn't take long before the African side ran out of beads to trade for advanced crafted goods from Europe and simply offered women for pleasure, which any man might find difficult to resist. After that, it was probably easier to accept the rotten concept of having workers traded as well.

We live in an evil world...of our own making.

Sauron

20 posted on 04/23/2010 9:25:42 AM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: C19fan

The majority of Gate’s article describes Africa’s complicit role in slavery , which is actually quite refreshing.
Maybe Africa should pay reparations ?


21 posted on 04/23/2010 9:27:13 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: milwguy

“The black elites in the US are using the same playbook those in SA and ZIM used after taking charge in their countries. Sadly, the results will be the same if they are allowed to play the race card and guilt white America into bending to their demands for reparations.”

If most Americans haven’t got the guts to stand up to anti-western, anti-Christian and anti-Jewish hating Muslims in their midst, how will they ever stand up to these homegrown problems?


22 posted on 04/23/2010 9:29:00 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Psalm 144
What about decendants of blacks that owned slaves? Yes, there were blacks in America that owned slaves.

Isn't it possible one ancestor was a slave and the other a slave owner?

23 posted on 04/23/2010 9:29:58 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Repeat Offender

http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm


24 posted on 04/23/2010 9:32:03 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: econjack

After his arrest incident, I’m surprised he came out this way on the topic.

After the incident, there was a forum on CSpan with the likes of Michael Dyson. The comment that struck me as most telling was when a woman said, “It was a good thing it was Skip Gates. He was nice about it cause he likes you. It would have been a different story if it had been one of us. The rest of us up here don’t like you at all.”


25 posted on 04/23/2010 9:33:30 AM PDT by griswold3
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To: C19fan
My ancestors didn't arrive in the U.S [legally, I might add] until the beginning of the Twentieth Century. We never owned a slave,or killed an Indian. Like the great bilk of Americans today. I'm tired of this crap. Give them ‘zero’.

And as an addendum, deduct from any reparations [if given] the cost of the U.S share of the joint anti-slavery patrols done with the Royal Navy prior to the Civil War, the cost of the Civil War [or at least 1/2 of it] from the date of the Emancipation Proclamation, part of the cost of reconstruction, and the costs of any entitlement programs that served, in major part, the African American community.

Oh yeah, and deduct the cost of the slaves [legal property until 1865] for the losses suffered by their owners when they were freed [Compensation, anyone?].

26 posted on 04/23/2010 9:37:05 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: C19fan

how about reparations for bringing Africans to a much better place than where they were


27 posted on 04/23/2010 9:41:08 AM PDT by wardaddy (w)
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To: Repeat Offender

“Isn’t it possible one ancestor was a slave and the other a slave owner?”

Given the DNA, it is certain that this is true in many instances.

If we are going to do reparations based on race though, I really must insist that no arbitrary cutoff date be in applied, or favoritism to any one group of perpetually aggrieved.

Violence is violence.

Theft is theft.

Murder is murder.

On a plantation, in any rustbelt city, in a riot or a convenience store. Scab picking can be done by all, but few are so foolish.

Anyway, the present deplorable condition of many blacks has far less to do with slavery than it has to do with the Great Society.


28 posted on 04/23/2010 9:41:27 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Is it sedition to defy usurpation?)
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To: C19fan

I think that we should all start up the meme that “Obama *is* reparations. Once he is gone, there will be no more reparations.”

This means that just because Obama hasn’t given every black family a million dollars, a Cadillac convertible, their own paid-for home, and eternal youth and beauty, this is not our problem.

But once he is gone, all black Americans return to being equal before the law, but otherwise on their own. And complaints that he didn’t give black Americans what he promised should be greeted with “Tough, now you are no longer special, you are like everyone else.”


29 posted on 04/23/2010 9:44:09 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Psalm 144
My question was rhetorical.

But yes, I agree with the "great society" being the major cause.

30 posted on 04/23/2010 9:51:59 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Repeat Offender

“My question was rhetorical.”

I was thinking of liability apportionment, lol.

“Take $200 from your left pocket and put it in your right pocket.

Now go across town and collect $1,500 from ‘da man’.

Now, return $2,200 to ‘da man’ for the flat screen TV your cousin Pooky stole from him last summer when Pooky burgled ‘da man’s” house.

Now, both you and da man go to the nearest reservation and tender $200,000 to the tribal council . . .”

And so on.


31 posted on 04/23/2010 9:58:44 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Is it sedition to defy usurpation?)
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To: sauron; All
All true - including evil world.

However, everyone in America should watch the movie (or read the history) of those, first in England, and then in America, who fought so long and sacrificed so much to end slavery - THEY were - gasp - WHITE.

Let's tell the WHOLE story, from beginning to end - and the end is that those who find themselves born in America because of slave ancestry - might want to, as did Alex Halley - a millionaire black AMERICAN author - check out where their ancestral cousins in Africa are now and what their lives are like. (Halley's were still living in the bush - in grass huts. Perhaps those here vilifying this country, might think: “Well, as evil as it was, I am in a much better place today than I could have been.”

But if we ARE going to do ‘reparations’ - then England owes me big time. My ancestors were forced to give up their homes and were chased from pillar to post, arrested, jailed, vilified - until they finally made their way to the shores of New England almost 400 years ago.

I mean if we can go back to generations beyond people living today - then there's no ‘statute of limitations.’ ;o)

(that was tongue in cheek, in case we have any lib lurkers who have no ability when it comes to humor.

For myself, I thank God and my ancestors that they had to leave the “Mother Country” - resulting in my being born in America and not England. (30 years ago, I used to think it wouldn’t have been bad at all to’ve been born in the UK - but today all I can think is “Boy, did I dodge a big bullet.”

32 posted on 04/23/2010 10:34:51 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: Fido969

What do you call the stimulus,health care if not reparations


33 posted on 04/23/2010 10:37:10 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: C19fan

I am—seriously-in favor of reparations. No joke.

However, it’s contingent on Africa who sold the slaves, setting aside land in Africa that the blacks will all return to and start their own nation, like Israel did, and the reverse diaspora can begin.

Of course, I’d first deduct 10% of the total amount of the black reparations-for the damage they’ve done to our cities, the many innocent crime victims, etc.

Also 10% to be taken and divided up between those of us whose ancestors were Union soldiers and freed them.

And, any black who is worth more than 5 million (Orca Winfrey, Cosby, Michael Jordan, etc) would forfeit 50% of anything over 5 million-Orca’d be waddling around with a basket on her head if not for the whites who invented TV, the cars she gives away, etc.

The main thing is just to send them back to the paradise they came from. It was wrong to take them, and if we’re going to redress the issue that’s key.

However, run that by even the most militant black, and a host of BS comes out-they don’t want to leave here-no way!

Two reasons:

1. They wouldn’t make a go of their own country on their own-it would be like Detroit in 3 years. Far better like this piss and moan get free money and have a perpetual excuse. Plus the US doing this lets whites off the hook once and for all, as it should. They don’t want that.

Reason #2 is, they know how much better the US will do without them. It would be, in the long run, the best thing we could ever do.

Them’s the facts, like it or not. My sugarcoating machine is in the shop.....


34 posted on 04/23/2010 10:45:27 AM PDT by Mac from Cleveland ("See what you made me do?" Major Malik Hasan)
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To: maine-iac7
And I said, way back, if you want to do reparations, let's start from the source of the problem - Africa, who sold her own people. (Talk about an 'inconvenient truth'.)

Thank you for your insight and speaking out.

These critical journalists might consider seeking an interview the recent owners of Houma House Plantation located on the "Mississippi River Road", south of Baton Rouge, about midway to New Orleans.

They, including the African Americans employed there conducting factual historical tours, have been working toward breaking the slavery myths in the New Orleans/Baton Rouge areas.

When we toured the Plantation in 2008, they explained these ongoing studies had uncovered, prior to the Civil War, there were more area plantation owners of African American descent than "white", and were in fact, enslaving their own race.

Don't hear much about that from the popcorn media.

As for "American slavery is the greatest crime in world history" accusations, I would say, open a factual history book, along with the some sound slave narratives, and read it.

Nearly every race has been a slave or a slave owner at some point in their history, either suffering and inflecting great crimes against humanity. Some, on a wide scale, had experienced such prolong abuse it would make the majority of American slaves look like they were seated in royalty.

Might want to ask some of the those still starving in Africa who, in the long run, got the best deal.
35 posted on 04/23/2010 12:11:10 PM PDT by mstar
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To: C19fan

Before anyone receives reparations they must prove that life in America is a hardship and they would have fared better had their ancestors stayed in Africa, thus never benefiting from welfare, affirmative action, etc.... If an actual slave were still alive, I would have no problems making things very right with them. People removed several generations are not suffering in this country.


36 posted on 04/23/2010 12:16:23 PM PDT by buschbaby (Beware! I'm one of those scary stay-at-home mom Tea Partiers. I'm threatening to clean up your mess)
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To: mstar
These critical journalists might consider seeking an interview the recent owners of Houma House Plantation located on the "Mississippi River Road", south of Baton Rouge, about midway to New Orleans.

I haven't heard of this. This sounds promising, maybe like a small leak starting in the dike?

Wish I weren't a retired ole great-granny - I might be tempted to go on down there, wearing my old investigative reporter hat.

(there used to be a breed of reporters that actually did their own investigative reporting. These days, 'reporters' get their news like car designers - instead of doing their own work, they steal from their competitors...and THEY are now slipping into just waiting for their talking points delivered from on high. (Amazing how fast the talking points get regurgitated from every MainSllimeMedia outlet)

37 posted on 04/23/2010 12:49:03 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: kittymyrib
It would be rather satisfying to trace the ancestry of some of the old silk-stocking New England families to see who was profiting from the sale of slaves.

Excellent insight.

Add to this, some northern victorious businessmen, along with the well known "carpetbaggers", enriched themselves from the rape, pillage, and general devouring of the fallen south, including the newly freed slaves.

Northern war crimes, during and postwar, against women and children, both black and white, are still justified today. After all, they reason, southern Simon Legrees deserved their lot for defending their "Uncle Tom's Cabins".

If fact, few southerns were slave owners, their reason to fight was based on the defense of their 10th amendment rights. I guess things just come back around, don't they.

If Americans treated the civilians from Iraq and "Nam" the same way, we would have been hauled before our own war crime trial.


Sorry I don't feel very politically correct this afternoon. Maybe I need my nap. :)
38 posted on 04/23/2010 1:22:50 PM PDT by mstar
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To: maine-iac7
Wish I weren't a retired ole great-granny - I might be tempted to go on down there, wearing my old investigative reporter hat.

One tried ole granny to another. . . I hear you.

Unless the MSM does some real changing, I doubt if the results from these studies will see the light of day. Any education gained would be "grass roots" from those taking the tour and actually reading reliable sources.
39 posted on 04/23/2010 1:30:02 PM PDT by mstar
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To: Non-Sequitur

PING PING PING, here you go, here’s your chance to say Obongo is right, shame on all of us. We should pay every last dime we make for reparations, even though we did nothing. Great thread, maybe you could suggest only mean ole Southerners pay.


40 posted on 04/23/2010 1:52:23 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: C19fan

I favor a giant Beer Summit. Invite all people that had at one point in their lives been enslaved and all people that at one point in their lives had owned slaves. 0bama and Biden can round out the group.


41 posted on 04/23/2010 1:54:47 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Mac from Cleveland

I’m tired of sugar coating too.


42 posted on 04/23/2010 1:55:35 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Our leaders seek to pit us against one another, and torment us relentlessly."Mark Levin)
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To: mojitojoe
PING PING PING, here you go, here’s your chance to say Obongo is right, shame on all of us

Obama is wrong.

43 posted on 04/23/2010 3:35:47 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: C19fan

Has anyone ever asked if the Africans were going to pay reparations for enslaving the Jews?


44 posted on 04/23/2010 3:37:06 PM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: C19fan

I’m reposting the story and linking your thread. Seeing this denunciation of African involvement in slave trading in the NY Times, and from ‘Skip’ Gates no less, is a breath of fresh air!


45 posted on 05/02/2010 8:52:06 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: C19fan

bump


46 posted on 05/02/2010 8:52:44 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: econjack

The depiction here of Gates was always very simplistic. His previous work was not at all race baiting, and showed much thoughtfulness. For this reason, and others, I was not as inclined as some here to automatically take the word of the cops against him.


47 posted on 05/02/2010 8:58:31 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: C19fan

600 000 white men dead, and seven trillion dollars in transfer payments isn’t enough?


48 posted on 05/02/2010 9:01:01 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Let tyrants shake their iron rod, and slavery clank her galling chains)
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