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U.S. Says Florida Can't Opt Out of Federal Healthcare
HEALTH NEWS FLORIDA ^ | 4/23/2010 | Carol Gentry and Jim Saunders

Posted on 04/23/2010 11:58:03 AM PDT by tutstar

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To: tutstar

Where were all you opponents of this sort of thing when the smoking ban debates were raging?


301 posted on 04/25/2010 7:12:19 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: listenhillary

A well-meaning but misguided fellow. Not much help to the cause, in the end, because his “rational egoism” undercuts the broader, deeper moral outrage that has driven all the great freedom movements of history. Atlas almost never shrugs without a lot of help from those people of faith he so despises. When he has done so, you get the French Revolution. Sad outcome for a fellow with a fine Scottish name.


302 posted on 04/25/2010 7:28:12 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: tutstar

Some of us are looking into a class action to provide an opt out for prolife people of faith. There is a sequence that could not only get us there, but could deal a body blow to the broader enforcement of Obamacare.

First problem with legislative cases is always standing. Generally, taxpayers don’t have it, because the individual impact of a given policy is viewed as too small an injury to upset the separation of the political and judicial domains. Don’t like a law, vote the bums out.

However, where the taxpayer is being coerced into establishing a specific religion against his will, and where such establishment is effectively grounded in the congressional power to tax, getting standing becomes much more likely.

Then the question becomes one of equal protection. If the Amish can opt out as conscientious objectors due to their moral disapproval of using non-church insurance, how much more does the prolifer have grounds for conscientious objection to having the government use their tax dollars to fund what they sincerely believe to be murder?

Now conscientious objection is not a path for the faint of heart. The court will look at the depth of one’s commitment to the principle espoused. A mere preference will not suffice; objection must be an unalterable conviction. For example, eating three meals a day is a preference. Breathing is a conviction. Those not willing to go to the wall for the unborn should not be plaintiffs in this case.

Nevertheless, if we could get this to fly, think of the implications. Over half the country is professedly prolife. If some case like this serves as the tip of the spear, and we can get break open an opt out for half the country, it could fatally hemorrhage Obamacare funding, and all quite legally.

I am building a list of people who would be interested in pursuing this route, so feel free to contact me if you are interested.


303 posted on 04/25/2010 7:53:14 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

I don’t follow you about breathing being a conviction since breathing is involuntary. When you say going to the wall for the unborn, do you mean prolife against abortion with no exceptions?


304 posted on 04/25/2010 8:14:27 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or ...off..)
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To: elkfersupper

What is that supposed to mean?


305 posted on 04/25/2010 8:15:35 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or ...off..)
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To: tutstar

Well, yes, involuntary really is not a bad way to describe it. If you have a conviction, that means it is so strong in your mind and heart you would accept any adverse consequence to yourself rather than surrender on the point of contention. I just use breathing as a metaphor to show that a conviction is not viewed as optional by the person who holds it.

As for being against abortion with no exceptions, the court would probably view exceptions as a severe weakening of the conviction. The moral reasoning of the conscientious objector who wins is typically rigorously complete and self-consistent. That’s where the strength of credibility comes from. The judge wants to know that you have thought your conviction through and really own and understand it.

Therefore, if you argue you are against funding abortion because it is murder, but find it acceptable to murder some unborn children because they were conceived through rape or incest, the judge will likely see that as a huge gap in your moral reasoning; you must define your moral objection consistently and apply that definition consistently. If your premise is that protectable human life begins at conception, you will have to defend that premise regardless of the circumstances leading to conception.

Otherwise, your opposition to abortion will begin to look more like a loosely held patchwork of preferences rather than a logically unified and unalterable conviction. If some circumstances make the murder of innocent children acceptable, your conviction is, by definition, not consistent, not unalterable, and therefore not a good candidate for conscientious objection.


306 posted on 04/25/2010 9:09:10 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: listenhillary

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

Google is your friend..


307 posted on 04/26/2010 8:04:35 AM PDT by BallandPowder
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To: BallandPowder

Is not..


308 posted on 04/26/2010 8:05:20 AM PDT by listenhillary (Capitalism = billions raised from poverty, Socialism = billions reduced to starvation)
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To: Cicero

Pregnancy is a leading cause of obesity in women aged 19 to 45.


309 posted on 04/26/2010 12:06:22 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: screaminsunshine
Florida, Historically, owns the historic origins of the "Bonnie Blue Flag": The Blue Flag with a Single Star, belongs to the Republic of Florida.

That can be our Flag again!

310 posted on 05/05/2010 8:30:22 PM PDT by agincourt1415 (Democrats are arranging their own DOWNFALL!)
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