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Small Riot Breaks Out at Immigration Protest (Cops attacked-Phoenix AZ (VIDEO)
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Posted on 04/23/2010 8:44:45 PM PDT by dragnet2

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To: gunsequalfreedom

Yes it is, too bad for them they didn’t do it the right way.


51 posted on 04/24/2010 12:06:35 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: dragnet2

thanks for posting. i was adding this link to every thread on AZ SB 1070, to show what “peaceful” demonstrators do when they don’t get their way. RIOT.


52 posted on 04/24/2010 12:10:20 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Heck. Not everyone does it or wants to do it. He has been posting for a while. I think it provides some texture. I find it mildly humorous.

But hey...we can disagree. I don’t think we will see it explode, it is too damn much work for people to go out of their way to do it.

Personally, I post a lot of pictures, more than most, because it just makes it more interesting in my opinion. But as my wife likes to say, it isn’t a hill I want to die on...:)


53 posted on 04/24/2010 12:34:57 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
LOL. Fortunately FR's superbly designed forum software makes the more complex HTML stuff just difficult enough.

That way we don't end up with all those faggy smileys and emoticons like DU.

54 posted on 04/24/2010 2:28:42 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra

lulz Isaac Brock Reincarnated lol


55 posted on 04/24/2010 2:38:17 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (1.416785(71) x 10^32)
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To: agere_contra
If we ever got emoticons working here then in less than a month FR would become a blizzard of conflicting, screaming yellow blobs. That would be bad!

56 posted on 04/24/2010 2:44:26 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra

lol


57 posted on 04/24/2010 2:48:03 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (1.416785(71) x 10^32)
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To: dragnet2

Thanks for the youtube link.


58 posted on 04/24/2010 4:55:46 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: gunsequalfreedom
I will certainly agree with you that the border must be secured as a first step. Should have been done decades ago.
According to Fat Teddy (now sober 7 months) it was done decades ago...

"This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal
aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again
bring forward another amnesty bill like this."
            - Ted Kennedy, 1986

Gee, imagine that; a democrat lying. *gasp*
59 posted on 04/24/2010 5:27:23 AM PDT by Peet (<- A.K.A. the Foundling)
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To: dragnet2

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. There is no extant federal limitation on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws. Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrantless interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior; dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship; and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens.


60 posted on 04/24/2010 6:03:32 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
They are you pool repair and supply company, the company you purchased your satellite service from, the guy that sold you your furniture, that owns the company that supplies pallets to you company...you name it.

Yes, I know they are, I know the pool repair guy and satellite service guy who lost their businesses to these guys who hire under the table. I also know a LOT of old line construction companies that had to fold up and go away because they were honorable men who refused to break the law for a buck. These "entreprenures" killed the lively hood for a lot of Americans.I have watched these guys take their illegal workers to the license bureau to get a license and then have them hand it over to them right outside the door.I have spent 65 years in Arizona, I love the Mexican people and their culture has been part of our culture forever, but what we have coming in now is not the same people at all. They are thugs and who take advantage of their workers. I personally know one guy who went to work for one of these "hard working guys". He was supposed to be paid $700.00 but when the time came to pay him all he got was $300.00 and was told that's all he was getting.

Don't even attempt to tell me about these wonderful businessmen and women. Some are I am sure, but the majority are laughing at people like you who defend them while they are putting your boss out of business.

61 posted on 04/24/2010 6:41:47 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Have you donated to Free Republic yet? If not you are a Freeploader)
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To: McGavin999
Don't even attempt to tell me about these wonderful businessmen and women. Some are I am sure, but the majority are laughing at people like you who defend them while they are putting your boss out of business.

I constantly hear people saying that the illegals are taking simple, menial jobs. Those people do not understand the situation. You obviously do. You know, as I was trying to point out, that they are business owners not just day laborers.

We are making the same point I just did not put it as well as you did. Again, anyone that thinks they are coming here and just taking jobs Americans will not do does not understand. They are taking businesses that Americans once had.

Sorry if I was not clear in my original post.

62 posted on 04/24/2010 7:00:13 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: rlmorel
Personally, I post a lot of pictures...

And thanks for that. Pic in threads are great. I do a fair bit of picture posting myself.

63 posted on 04/24/2010 7:02:15 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Bob
You are off the subject with your reply. The subject - at least as I was putting the question - is how do you move 20 million people out of a country.

So far no takers on answer to that question.

64 posted on 04/24/2010 7:05:10 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Yes...adds flavor!


65 posted on 04/24/2010 7:14:11 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: All

My wife and I have been vacationing in Arizona for the last week, leaving this morning.

Watched the local news...not a single peep about this. I didn’t even bother to watch the national news, I know it isn’t there.

Simply astonishing.

On a personally disappointing note, when I pointed this out to my wife, she put the onus of this on the person who spoke out and was attacked. I think she had me in mind when she said it...


66 posted on 04/24/2010 7:16:48 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
That's quite alright, I'm a bit touchy because of all the slams we are getting for just defending ourselves.

It breaks your heart when a company that has been in business for generations has to send out a letter saying they've given up, they have to, they can not compete with those who break the law. I've seen it happen far too much.

How anyone could consider this law as unjust is mind boggling.

67 posted on 04/24/2010 7:20:46 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Have you donated to Free Republic yet? If not you are a Freeploader)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

The same way they moved in

Your question was answered. You just dont like the answer.


68 posted on 04/24/2010 7:21:57 AM PDT by winodog
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To: gunsequalfreedom
....how do people propose to remove 12 million to 20 million people living in this country illegally? It is just not practical to think it can be done.

One roundup and border delivery at a time; just like they came this way they can return.

69 posted on 04/24/2010 7:22:06 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: gunsequalfreedom
You are off the subject with your reply. The subject - at least as I was putting the question - is how do you move 20 million people out of a country.

So far no takers on answer to that question.

That answer has already been posted to you - Enforce existing immigration laws and they will move themselves out of the country individually just like they moved themselves in. You're posting nothing more than tired old excuses as to why we should let them stay.

70 posted on 04/24/2010 7:25:28 AM PDT by Bob
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To: dragnet2
Gee. It looks like some were eager volunteers to be the first to be arrested and deported. I wonder if any spit or yelled "GRINGO".

I've got a storyline for the lamestream media: Illegals and their advocates doing the violence Tea Partiers just won't do.
71 posted on 04/24/2010 7:37:08 AM PDT by ThomasSawyer (Democratic Underground: Proof that anyone can figure out how to use a computer.)
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To: dragnet2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c6KB_hwzf4

Everyone needs to see this. Bunch of thugs with their faces covered...yeah, we need more ‘residents’ like that!


72 posted on 04/24/2010 8:18:16 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more ‘share the wealth’ socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: montag813

Stand with Arizona!

Sign the Petition HERE
http://www.gopetition.com/online/35732.html

______________

Thanks!


73 posted on 04/24/2010 8:21:19 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more ‘share the wealth’ socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

You make it damn uncomfortable for them to remain here. You remove all the incentives. You remove any and all reasons you can find that make them want to stay.

You don’t have to round them up. Once they find that the well has run dry and that there is little choice but to leave, they will leave.

Arrest anyone offering sanctuary and charge them with obstruction, remove the support systems that support the illegals.

There are many other ways, but these are just a few off the top of my head.


74 posted on 04/24/2010 8:41:26 AM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: Bob
You're posting nothing more than tired old excuses as to why we should let them stay.

No, I'm merely taking your suggestions and presenting some of the problems with implementing it. At some point positions need to be put into action. What are the action steps?

It is easy to say, enforce existing immigration laws like some magic wand will take it from there. There are practical realities that must be taken into account.

Let's start with one of them. What policing agency will carry out enforcement and where does the money come from?

So that my position is not being confused, I am tryng to work the problem, not disagreeing with you on the goal.

75 posted on 04/24/2010 8:51:52 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: SZonian; All

SZonian, your reply is the appropriate one.

Is this a daunting task, for a country that people all over the world risk their lives to enter in a multitude of illegal ways?

Absolutely.

But you have to ask yourself:

If you were an illegal immigrant in China and you were discovered by the authorities, how would you be treated?

If you were an illegal immigrant in Korea and you were discovered by the authorities, how would you be treated?

If you were an illegal immigrant in Russia and you were discovered by the authorities, how would you be treated?

If you were an illegal immigrant in Switzerland and you were discovered by the authorities, how would you be treated?

If you were an illegal immigrant in Italy and you were discovered by the authorities, how would you be treated?

If you were an illegal immigrant in (INSERT COUNTRY HERE) and you were discovered by the authorities, how would you be treated?

But most of all...
If you were an illegal immigrant in MEXICO and you were discovered by the authorities, how would you be treated?

This is not to say we should act like China, Russia or any other country. But the fact remains that if we do not control who is in our country, then we will be at the mercy of those who not only wish to take advantage of our generosity and affluence, but also those who do not have our best interests at heart and wish us harm.

People malign conservatives by painting us as xenophobe bigots who are against all foreigners and immigration. It is a slander we need to address constantly and directly, because it is a malignant lie intentionally used as a tool to discredit conservatism.

The fact of the matter is, conservatives are not against immigration, we are uniformly against ILLEGAL immigration. Many conservatives are immigrants ourselves, and nearly all of us come from immigrant stock.

It is not that we are succumbing to “the last one over the bridge” syndrome, like the transplanted New Englanders in Florida who complain about every new arrival from New England who takes up residence there. It is that we believe that a country that cannot control and regulate immigration cannot control its future.


76 posted on 04/24/2010 9:09:38 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: SZonian

Ok, that’s a plan. Dry up resources, the magnet so to speak that makes it attractive to stay here. Now, how does that process get started?

My view, you have to put pressure on your elected representatives since the approach you suggest will require policy changes. How does that pressure get applied?

Everyone that supports this plan will have to do far more than just write about it on FR. For that plan to go into effect, groups are going to have to be formed, volunteers meet a couple hours a week, grow membership, organize, increase visibility of the group through media events, develop effective message. Critical will be high turnout for any public events that are planned. Fundraising will be critical.

I’ve been through those processess more than once. It is a lot of work. Are you ready to commit to that level of effort?


77 posted on 04/24/2010 9:10:07 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: dragnet2

Some say that would be fair odds. Houston had about 800 against about 2000 at San Jacinto. The Mexicans ran and tradition said Santa Ana was found creeping away dressed as a woman.


78 posted on 04/24/2010 9:14:52 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Right. Only important/unique things should be flagged to stand out. Anyone who deviates from standard text should know going in that he/she risks a little criticism, tweaking, etc.


79 posted on 04/24/2010 9:32:10 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: SZonian

Amen! Formulating a solution to a problem is the first big step. There are lots of people out there who have little direction and plenty of energy.

Once we have a clear understanding of solutions, the rest is easy, IMHO, so long as we have free speech. Communications has never been easier. Online networking is not the fuuture — it is NOW.


80 posted on 04/24/2010 9:38:33 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: AuntB

“”Everyone needs to see this. Bunch of thugs with their faces covered...yeah, we need more ‘residents’ like that!””

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c6KB_hwzf4

You bet


81 posted on 04/24/2010 1:04:30 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Some say that would be fair odds. Houston had about 800 against about 2000 at San Jacinto. The Mexicans ran and tradition said Santa Ana was found creeping away dressed as a woman.

Yet, for them it's typical...This time it was 2000 against 1.

82 posted on 04/24/2010 1:06:20 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

I’ve got two words for Arizona officers... rubber bullets.

Don’t take that crap. Put those bottom feeders in their place.


83 posted on 04/24/2010 9:13:39 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Be still & kneel before the know-nothing Omnipotent One, Il Douche' Jr., may fleas be upon him.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

If immigration laws were enforced- against both employers and illegals, many could be deported that way and more would self-deport if enforcement became standard. Other illegals could be deported as they came to the attention of Law Enforcement for other reasons. It can be done, and all it takes is to do the job that has been long neglected. First we need to secure the border, then make them want to go home by enforcing laws they are already in violation of.

It would be easier than you think, it would not happen overnight but as many were caught for other things and deported, more would leave on their own before it happened to them.

It is simply a liberal lie that there is no way to deal with those that are here other than amnesty.


84 posted on 04/25/2010 7:35:59 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

As they come to the attention of LEO they can be deported whether or not there is violence in their home country. If they own a business that is their problem- they will have to sell it or close it and return if laws are enforced.

As far as those subject to violence in Mexico- they can apply to stay here legally for that reason- most are denied but maybe if their citizens go home in numbers they can clean up their country.

Most of what concerns you will be their problem to deal with- if they can’t work and live here they will leave. I see some moving back now just due to the economy and they of course know of the violence.

Remember it is not just Mexicans that are illegals here- they are the majority- but we must remember we have illegals from nearly every country.

Just because dealing with those here now by legally enforcing the laws won’t be easy does not mean we shouldn’t do it. It can be done gradually and it will work.

The alternative is much, much worse for this country. If there is any form of amnesty it will cause mass illegal migration into this country. Whatever the requirements are there will be an attempt to use forged documents to qualify. When politicians even mention amnesty there is a flood of illegals across the border in anticipation. The number given amnesty will be far greater than any number you have heard for illegals, the costs will be out of sight and in my opinion our country will never be the same.

Think about the bureaucratic burden amnesty would put on us, tons of employees would have to be hired to deal with the massive amounts of claims- investigations will bog down our Immigration system. It will require great effort and cost on our part to process amnesty or illegal deportation. I would much rather put that effort into deporting those that are here illegally.

To me it is a no-brainer- they came here illegally and most violate other laws while here. This is not something I want to reward in any way. If immigration laws are meaningless then we need to just throw out all of our laws. Why should anyone be in violation?


85 posted on 04/25/2010 7:56:40 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Tammy8

It sounds like your plan is being tried in Arizona right now so we can watch and see how that goes. The only part left out, of course, is that the federal government has not secured the border.

Everyone that has commented in this thread has seen border control as a critical first step. The border could be secured very quickly. It is obvious that both Repbulican and Democrat leaders do not want to do that.

If I was going to map out a strategy, it would be to push those leaders to control the border and focus on border control exclusively. By way of an incremental approach, I would pruposefully avoid the issues of those already here illegally until the first step is done.


86 posted on 04/25/2010 8:24:53 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: dragnet2

Well, to be fair, I saw several security (yellow shirts) people trying to stop it, and one was even jumping up to catch thrown bottles. They must know that this type of thing does not help their cause at all.


87 posted on 04/25/2010 8:39:22 AM PDT by DejaJude
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To: gunsequalfreedom
I would pruposefully avoid the issues of those already here illegally until the first step is done.

Sounds reasonable- but politicians keep trying to ram amnesty down our throats- without securing the border. If we wait for anything we will get amnesty. We would still be mapping out a strategy while they are implementing amnesty. We would be on step one and they would be handing out citizenship.

88 posted on 04/25/2010 10:06:26 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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Deport them to Mexico and they will just return. Fact is our border cannot be secured. Ask the East Germans or North Koreans how difficult it is to lock a border down and prevent unauthorized crossing.

I say deport them to Alaska and sentence them to 2 years labor in the oil fields, the money they make will go to pay for their English classes, American history classes and immunizations, then when they get out put them at the back of the line for naturalization.

Also remove the anchor baby situation by requiring at least 1 parent is a full US citizen or on a permanent legal resident visa.

We need to fix this, but we also need our birth rate to stay about 2.1 in this country.


89 posted on 04/25/2010 12:49:49 PM PDT by RC51
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We should also put a US Army Recruiting Station in every place in Mexico these illegals are coming from. If we give them better options they will take it and at that point we can control who we accept and how they are naturalized. We can turn the situation around and make it better; But I don’t think we can steam the tide of the migration.


90 posted on 04/25/2010 12:54:24 PM PDT by RC51
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To: Waryone
Or your analytical skills are wanting.

91 posted on 04/28/2010 3:58:21 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Theo

Wow he’s got a posse??

Attention whore, like at lib sites with avatars and the same “cool” saying at the bottom of each post

OH, and several smilies in every post

I discovered long ago that there is never anything in the box worth reading, and use it a a “scroll past” signal


92 posted on 05/02/2010 12:39:09 AM PDT by Syncro (TPX IV Coming soonX!)
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To: DoughtyOne

You see how they remove the victim of the illegal insurgent criminal invaders instead of stopping and arresting the perps?

SSDD PC crap

Don’t rile up the scum anti-American low lifes, they might kill, kidnap and rape and maim more citizens and border patrol officers

I’m tired of this crap


93 posted on 05/02/2010 12:44:59 AM PDT by Syncro (TPX IV Coming soonX!)
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To: RC51
Fact is our border cannot be secured

Might as well just merge with Mexico then.

94 posted on 05/02/2010 12:46:06 AM PDT by Syncro (TPX IV Coming soonX!)
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To: Syncro

Couldn’t agree more. This is plain surrender IMO.


95 posted on 05/02/2010 10:45:28 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Be still & kneel before the know-nothing Omnipotent One, Il Douche' Jr., may fleas be upon him.)
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