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It's the Constitution that's radicalizing our politicians (Repeal the 17th Amendment!)
American Thinker ^ | April 24, 2010 | John W. Truslow, III

Posted on 04/23/2010 11:02:09 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 04/23/2010 11:02:10 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The 17th was the greatest damage to federalism between the Civil War and the New Deal and arguably more damaging than the New Deal.


2 posted on 04/23/2010 11:10:09 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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To: bamahead

fyi


3 posted on 04/23/2010 11:25:09 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

True - good point.


4 posted on 04/23/2010 11:26:15 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: Bokababe; dcwusmc; Favor Center; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; exit82; AmericanInTokyo; AuntB; ...
The three part preoccupation with establishing a permanent majority, the cult of personality (including the veneration of President Reagan), and dubious tactics to secure required ends is a postmodern perversion of conservatism, and these tendencies distract from the core values that make conservatives critical to the sustainability of society.

Of possible interest to you all.

5 posted on 04/23/2010 11:26:56 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385
Excellent article.

The 17th Amendment:

"The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution."

6 posted on 04/23/2010 11:44:25 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

yeap it was a huge mistake.


7 posted on 04/23/2010 11:56:04 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn
No argument here. The tenth chapter of my book is devoted to the abrogation of the 17th Amendment. See my tagline!
8 posted on 04/24/2010 12:07:22 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: neverdem

Excellent post — thanks.


9 posted on 04/24/2010 12:10:04 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (I can see November from my house!)
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To: Loud Mime

Cronyism might give us dull, compromising Senators from a pre-17th method. There might be more McCains, not less.


10 posted on 04/24/2010 12:32:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
....arguably more damaging than the New Deal.

If I understand the writer correctly, he's charging the 17th Amendment with having enabled the New Deal and FDR's presidential imperialism.

11 posted on 04/24/2010 12:44:49 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Too, then just as now, they tended to work for the money boys. The corrupt relationship of the California legislature (which elected California's senators) to the Big Four of the Central (Southern) Pacific Railroad is a case in point.

New York's Sen. Roscoe Conkling is another.

12 posted on 04/24/2010 12:47:07 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: neverdem
Wresting electoral power from the People seems a fool's errand.

Perhaps what we need is something like an electoral college for senators or some such device to compensate for weaknesses of direct election by state residents.

13 posted on 04/24/2010 12:59:08 AM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: neverdem
Good article but he fails to include the corrupt and complicit media's role in the passage of health care reform. Without which the bill would not have passed, or Obama elected for that matter.

"Now that both Representatives and Senators have an identical interest (pandering to the citizenry) Congress is one herd of cattle in two pens."

Exactly.

14 posted on 04/24/2010 2:04:13 AM PDT by FTJM
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To: neverdem
Cant see anybody getting behind this either intellectually or financially. Repealing the 17th would have no interest among the voters..
15 posted on 04/24/2010 2:12:10 AM PDT by montanajoe
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To: neverdem
Repealing the 17th Amendment would be a good thing, but to put an end to Washington's voracity, it's the 16th that has to go. The 16th Amendment is what makes redistribution, and therefore the special-interest dynamic, the driving force of American politics.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Curmudgeon Emeritus of Eternity Road

16 posted on 04/24/2010 3:36:00 AM PDT by fporretto (This tagline is programming you in ways that will not be apparent for years. Forget! Forget!)
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To: neverdem

I have thought about the repeal of the 17Th Amendment and I’m still not sure that would be a good move.
The roll of State and Federal government should be creating a Level Playing Field. What is good for one is good for all. Instead we have State and Federal government picking “Winners and Losers” with tax codes and regulations.(It reminds me of my childhood when I earned money and my parents would tell me how I could spend my earnings or else.)
What do Lobbyist do? Their job is to tilt the “Playing Field” in the favor of “One” at the expense of the “Rest” through tax laws and/or regulations. So now our taxes and regulations’ “Playing Field” looks like the Rocky Mountains with hundreds of thousands codes.
If we had a very simple tax code, either a “Fair” or “Flat” with no Exemptions, would not that eliminate 90% of the BS and corruption in Government?


17 posted on 04/24/2010 4:19:02 AM PDT by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: neverdem

Far more than merely repealing amendments we must irrevocably change minds not just opinions on certain issues. There is a disconnect when 80% claim to be conservatives when in the same breath on other polls almost 45% still support Obama. We need to learn that politics are emotions and most people vote with emotions, regardless of logic. Conservatives had better understand this or we will die. It’s fine to discuss ideas amongst ourselves. We need to go out there and proselytize. Temporary victories must be opportunities to turn the national ideology into a permanent majority. That has been the goal of the left since day one. We have not reciprocated.


18 posted on 04/24/2010 7:49:28 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: rabscuttle385; All
BTW, Wiki has a pretty interesting history listed for the 17th Amendment.

Apparently, there are ten States that never even ratified the 17th Amendment: 1. Alabama 2. Kentucky 3. Mississippi 4. Virginia 5. South Carolina 6. Georgia 7. Maryland 8. Delaware 9. Rhode Island 10. Florida

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25% of the Senators now in DC originally got there based on a Governor's appointment.

But there are moves afoot to remove that appointment option for Governors

In 2009, Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin and Representative David Dreier of California proposed an amendment to remove the power of governors to appoint Senators.[18][19][20] Senators John McCain and Dick Durbin became co-sponsors, as did Representative John Conyers.[13] On March 11, 2009, a joint hearing was held between the Senate and House subcommittees on the Constitution regarding S.J. Res. 7 and H.J. Res. 21.[21] On August 6, 2009, the Senate Subcommittee on the Constitution held a separate hearing.[22]

19 posted on 04/24/2010 8:38:39 AM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Cacique
Far more than merely repealing amendments we must irrevocably change minds not just opinions on certain issues. There is a disconnect when 80% claim to be conservatives when in the same breath on other polls almost 45% still support Obama.

I haven't seen, "80% claim to be conservatives." Do you have a link? That must be a sloppy mix of those who identify as social conservatives and those who identify as fiscal conservatives. Among those who claim to be both, the best number that I've seen that's reproducible is about 40%, and that's just recently. For years, the "moderates" have been polled between 40 - 50%.

20 posted on 04/24/2010 9:13:23 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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