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Brewer says racial profiling won't be issue. Gov. allowing police to stop, detain illegals
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Posted on 04/24/2010 10:34:05 AM PDT by SandRat

PHOENIX — Defending its legality, Gov. Jan Brewer signed what is the toughest state law in the country designed to combat illegal immigration.

The governor rejected claims that the legislation, which gives police more power to stop and detain those not in this country legally, amounts to legalized racial profiling. She said the measure, in the version that finally reached her Monday, contains sufficient protections to individual constitutional rights.

And if that isn’t enough, Brewer signed an executive order requiring that all police officers get proper training about when they can — and cannot — stop and question people about their immigration status.

The governor pointed out, both in her statement and that executive order, that the new law prohibits police from using race or ethnicity as the sole factor in determining whether to pursue an inquiry.

But she conceded that it does permit either to be used as one factor for an officer’s consideration. And she defended the language.

“We have to trust our law enforcement,” Brewer said.

“Police officers are going to be respectful,” the governor continued. “They know what their jobs are, they’ve taken an oath. And racial profiling is illegal.”

But Phoenix attorney David Selden, who was involved in challenging a 2006 law aimed at companies that knowingly hired illegal immigrants, said allowing race to be used as a factor at all is unconstitutional.

“That was a strategy used by white segregationists when they were trying to gut the (federal) civil rights bill,” he said. Selden suggested the same logic may be at work here.

“If they’re not going to allow racial profiling, let’s get ‘race’ out of it entirely,” he said, rather than continuing to let police consider it.

Sen. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, who crafted the legislation, defended allowing it to be used as a factor. He said it recognizes that 90 percent of those who come to this country illegally are from Mexico or points south. “You can’t just say it’s not ever a factor,” he said. “It may be.”

Anyway, Pearce argued, police need a reason to pull someone over in the first place.

And he blamed “the mainstream media” for promoting “this misinformation.”

Several groups, including the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund already have vowed to ask a court to bar the measure from taking effect as scheduled in August.

Brewer said she expects it to survive “in most areas,” but did not elaborate. She also said those who believe that this law will lead to civil rights violations are “alarmists.”

Attorney General Terry Goddard said those who challenge the law may have a case. Goddard won’t be involved in any decisions of his office on how and whether to defend the statute, as he is running against Brewer for governor and publicly called on her to veto the measure. Those determinations, he said, will be made independently by his chief deputy.

But Goddard said that, as a lawyer, there are elements of the law that could be troubling — depending on how the statute is enforced.

One is that ability to use race or ethnicity as a factor in determining whether there is “reasonable suspicion” to question someone stopped for some other legitimate reason about their immigration status.

And then, he said, there’s the whole question of what constitutes reasonable suspicion in the first place. Goddard said seeing someone come over the border illegally certainly counts. So does being found with others who admit they’re illegal immigrants.

“It’s one of the troubling things about this statute: So many things are subjective,” Goddard said.

At Friday’s press conference, Brewer seemed flustered by a question of what an illegal immigrant looks like.

“I do not know what an illegal immigrant looks like,” the governor responded. She said that is one reason for her order for more training of police.

“The law will be enforce civilly, fairly and without discriminatory points to it,” Brewer said.

Brewer also brushed aside concerns that illegal immigrants who are crime victims or witnesses won’t come forward, as it would open them to be being questioned about their immigration status.

That is based on the most controversial part of the measure which says that when police officers make an official contact with anyone, a “reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person.”

Brewer, however, noted there is an exception to that requirement if making that inquiry “may hinder or obstruct an investigation.”

Goddard, however, noted that is based on each officer’s individual determination.

On top of that, another section of the measure prohibits government from limiting the ability of their officers to enforce federal immigration law. And any citizen who believes a community is violating that can file suit.

There was a lot of political pressure on Brewer to sign the controversial measure which would give police new powers to stop and arrest illegal immigrants.

All three of her Republican foes in the gubernatorial primary are on record urging a signature. And every Republican legislator, except for Sen. Carolyn Allen of Scottsdale, voted for the legislation.

Brewer, however, sidestepped the question of how politics figured into her decision.

“I would like to believe that any politician, when they are elected, after they’re elected, they do what’s right for the people of Arizona. And then, speaking of herself in the third person, she said, “I think it’s very, very important that the people out there understand that Gov. Jan Brewer of the great state of Arizona, would always do what’s right for the people of Arizona.”

The governor scheduled her press conference at a state owned auditorium about a mile from the Capitol. The location not only provide space for the local and national media interested in the issue but also provides some separation from the approximately 2,000 people who gathered in the mall between the House and Senate.

Most of them appeared to be high school or college students.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; constitution; illegalaliens; police
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Brewer says racial profiling won't be issue. Governor signs bill allowing police to stop, detain illegal immigrants

1 posted on 04/24/2010 10:34:06 AM PDT by SandRat
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To: HiJinx; Borax Queen; idratherbepainting; AZHSer; Sabertooth; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; ...

Border Ping


2 posted on 04/24/2010 10:34:41 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat
Most of them appeared to be high school or college students.

The clueless who don't pay taxes.

3 posted on 04/24/2010 10:39:09 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Constitution!)
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To: SandRat
“I do not know what an illegal immigrant looks like,” the governor responded. She said that is one reason for her order for more training of police.

They resemble a criminal asking directions.

4 posted on 04/24/2010 10:40:38 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

the brainwashed ...


5 posted on 04/24/2010 10:43:19 AM PDT by Tarpon ( ...Rude crude socialist Obama depends on ignorance to force his will on people)
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To: SandRat

So if race stays out of it then that means Whitey can get stopped too and asked for his proof of citizenship? And if he doesn’t have it does he get deported to Iceland? LOL!


6 posted on 04/24/2010 10:43:43 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: SandRat
I hate this weepy, victimization the interlopers and their enablers play.

There is so much misinformation about how this law will be enforced. The left is gnashing its teeth, warning that little Mexican maids waiting for a bus are going to be rounded up by ICE or those darling La Raza students are going to be taken out of their foklorica classes as they twirl their Mexicans flags around their shoulders.

No! When some kidnapper has stalked and captured a child, finally he will be asked to show ID, and if it is from Mexico, then, the other logical question will be asked and pursued until the truth comes out.

Those are the bad guys that are going to be marked and tagged. Those that act-up too, are risking revealing their status, which is good, invaders will not be tolerated; good riddance to bad garbage.

7 posted on 04/24/2010 10:44:01 AM PDT by lulu16
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To: SandRat

Looks like Georgia is going to try and follow Arizona’s lead!
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=144909


8 posted on 04/24/2010 10:46:13 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: lulu16
When some kidnapper has stalked and captured a child, finally he will be asked to show ID, and if it is from Mexico, then, the other logical question will be asked and pursued until the truth comes out.

And Jack Bauer OF 24 Will do the questioning.

9 posted on 04/24/2010 10:51:43 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Actually “Whitey” gets stopped all the time and asked their citizenship near the border. I get stopped all the time and I am a pale skinned blond. My daughter dated an Aussie for a while and he was thoroughly checked out by Border Patrol several times. Citizenship can be determined without race being a factor. As far as “profiling” by LEO goes- do the people so worried about that think when a tall skinny white guy robs a bank the cops should pursue short fat black women for the crime? Of course in some cases race is a factor in all law enforcement- it would be impossible for it not to be.


10 posted on 04/24/2010 10:53:35 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: SandRat

ILLEGAL IS A CRIME, NOT A RACE!


11 posted on 04/24/2010 10:53:40 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more ‘share the wealth’ socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: SandRat

While I fully support the new Arizona law, I’m sure that there are those in congress, the presidential palace, and the justice department who are viewing this as an opportunity to declare the need for a national ID card.


12 posted on 04/24/2010 10:58:05 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: SandRat
What is an indicator that a person, any person, may be illegal? Well, suppose they have broken some kind of law: speeding, reckless driving, shoplifting, MURDER, etc. and an officer stops him/her and asks for his/her name. They hear the response, “No habla Ingles!” and when asked by a translator to show some ID, doesn't have any, Well, by golly you might, just might be confronting an illegal.

A few years ago a Hispanic was stopped for a variety of offenses, DUI, reckless driving (wrecked car for some validity), leaving the scene (at 70+ MPH), etc. When at trial, the attorney said he was stopped due to his ethnicity. This argument was tossed when it was shown that the arresting officer couldn't have seen him because it was dark.

13 posted on 04/24/2010 11:01:34 AM PDT by chooseascreennamepat
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To: SandRat

“I do not know what an illegal immigrant looks like,” the governor responded.
Dwight Eisenhower must be looking down and laughing his
angelic a$$ off.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html


14 posted on 04/24/2010 11:05:05 AM PDT by tumblindice (The Great State of Arizona)
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To: Tammy8

When you are checked out by the BP what do they ask for? Your birth certificate? Short or long form? I’d love to see the BP check out Obama’s citizenship!


15 posted on 04/24/2010 11:11:18 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: SandRat
amounts to legalized racial profiling.

So what if it does? About 80% of illegals in this country are from south of the border. In AZ I would bet that is 98%+. Common sense would dictate that mestizo/Latino/Hispanics are most likely a suspect.

16 posted on 04/24/2010 11:11:53 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: SandRat

Arizona can arrest illegals, but it can’t deport them - if Obama tells the IRS not to process them, they will just sit in AZ jails at taxpayer expense.


17 posted on 04/24/2010 11:14:43 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: SandRat

For doing what’s right and upholding the law, Gov. Jan will be defending her position and actions from now on...


18 posted on 04/24/2010 11:17:00 AM PDT by choctaw man (Good ole Andrew Jackson, or You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma...)
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To: SandRat

I don’t know why this is an issue. I have a friend that’s an illegal from India. He got busted bigtime near the border in New Mexico at a road stop that was checking everyone.


19 posted on 04/24/2010 11:18:10 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

“I don’t know why this is an issue. I have a friend that’s an illegal from India. He got busted bigtime near the border in New Mexico at a road stop that was checking everyone.”

It’s only an issue to those breaking the law, and those who profit from it.


20 posted on 04/24/2010 11:19:10 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more ‘share the wealth’ socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“So if race stays out of it then that means Whitey can get stopped too and asked for his proof of citizenship? And if he doesn’t have it does he get deported to Iceland? LOL!”

Snowbirds from the provinces, overstaying their tourist visas, rather than go back to the bleak cold?

Round them up, for the show of it.


21 posted on 04/24/2010 11:19:16 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: SandRat

The policy of racial profiling is good. To allow the criminals to put up such a defense is nonsense.

The first thing noticed by a witness is their gender, then their color. To Prohibit race as ID and then looking for that race is ludicrous.

The races that seem to have an inordinate crime to population ratio is suspect from top to bottom for championing crime. If they feel threatened then they should get to work cleaning their house


22 posted on 04/24/2010 11:21:04 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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To: Altura Ct.
amounts to legalized racial profiling.

Maybe then they should profile based on language. If you can't speak English, then you might be an illegal immigrant. That way we cover illegals from many nations, not just Mexico.

23 posted on 04/24/2010 11:21:20 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: choctaw man
you forgot to add; Signed Sheriff Joe Arapio
24 posted on 04/24/2010 11:24:35 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

California, Utah and New Mexico better brace for the hoards of illegals that will flow over their borders from Arizona.


25 posted on 04/24/2010 11:28:55 AM PDT by pallis
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To: SandRat
Aloha Sandy,

Don't most of the local cops know who's who in their jurisdictions? Or has the population in the state grown so much to make this impossible.

Long ago, I was stopped by an Arizona Trooper, who twenty minutes earlier was sitting next to me having coffee at a diner. License, registration drill but also Military ID and orders. I'd just been separated so my ID was USNR and my orders were my DD 214.

At the time, they were checkng for AWOLs or deserters and he was just doing his job.....doing it well.
26 posted on 04/24/2010 11:35:07 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: chooseascreennamepat
This argument was tossed when it was shown that the arresting officer couldn't have seen him because it was dark.

Bingo. This is an important point. Most cops do not stop someone until they see a violation and they see the violation before they ever see who did it. This is because a car can be seen a much greater range than a driver.

This does not mean that profiling does not happen. It simply means that profiling is a much less likely reason for a stop than the simple fact that a driver committed a violation.

27 posted on 04/24/2010 11:47:59 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: BIGLOOK

Cochise County so-so, Bisbee Home of the State’s Socialist Party HQ’s, Douglas (RED laRaza Lovers), Maricopa County (Sheriff Joe) yes, Pima County No (RED laRaza Intimidated), All city parts of Phoenix NO (RED laRaza Lovers), Yuma NO (RED laRaza Lovers), Flagstaf so-so (leans towards laRaza)


28 posted on 04/24/2010 11:52:14 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

Second question, Sandy; Does La Raza have known connections with the drug cartels invading the border areas?


29 posted on 04/24/2010 11:57:07 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: pallis

Nevada should brace for the hoards, too.


30 posted on 04/24/2010 12:25:58 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I'm voting for Sarah Palin because she pisses off the right people.)
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To: BIGLOOK

Yes and AzatLan Recoquista.


31 posted on 04/24/2010 12:48:17 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


32 posted on 04/24/2010 2:10:58 PM PDT by HiJinx (Pin)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

“Nevada should brace for the hoards, too.”

Yes, I should have said that. Thank you.


33 posted on 04/24/2010 3:35:35 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“And if he doesn’t have it does he get deported to Iceland? LOL!”

No, Massachusetts.


34 posted on 04/24/2010 3:44:02 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Nevada should brace for the hoards, too.”””

Dirty Harry & ACORN should love that in S Nevada. Harry will need all the votes he can get in November.

Thanks to the comments all along by NObama about visiting Las Vegas, and the overall downturn in the economy, Las Vegas is hurting, and lots of the illegals who work at housekeeping jobs there are now heading back home-—but not enough of them.

Lord knows how long the big players in Las Vegas will stay put.

Steve Wynn is one of the largest in the casino business, and he is threatening to move his headquarters to Macao.


35 posted on 04/24/2010 4:04:15 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: SandRat
Don't most Freepers oppose any kind of National ID that would prove citizenship?

How may would submit to such a requirement?

36 posted on 04/24/2010 4:13:26 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes
Yes Freepers do as a rule oppose the idea of a National ID and nowhere in the the AZ Law or the Governor's statement is one proposed.
37 posted on 04/24/2010 4:50:11 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat
So the problem with this approach is that you identify illegals by the way they look, instead of possession of identification that they are indeed, citizens of the USA.

I support that we carry ID that demonstrates we are citizens of this country.

38 posted on 04/24/2010 5:01:45 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes

No now the Police uppon stopping or arresting for another offense nay legally ask for citizenship. If no proof of US citizeship and don’t speak English you are detained for further questioning and possible deportation as an illegal.


39 posted on 04/24/2010 5:08:34 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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