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Audit: 43 Arizona businesses have illegal staff
Arizona Daily Star ^

Posted on 04/24/2010 11:09:58 AM PDT by SandRat

More than half of the Arizona businesses that had their workforces audited by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents since last July have been found to have illegal workers on their payrolls.

Immigration department spokeswoman Virginia Kice says that 43 of the 84 companies screened in two rounds of audits have been sent letters listing employees whose employment eligibility is suspect. The agency's policy is not to name the companies with illegal employees unless they are disciplined with a fine or other measure.

Besides violation notices, two of the 43 companies with illegal workers were informed of pending fines. ICE agents did 40 of the audits last July and the other 44 in November.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; economy; illegalaliens; immigration; jobs

1 posted on 04/24/2010 11:09:58 AM PDT by SandRat
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To: HiJinx; Borax Queen; idratherbepainting; AZHSer; Sabertooth; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; ...

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2 posted on 04/24/2010 11:10:46 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat
What I would like to know is how hard is it for a business to legally and economically vett an applicant for citizenship or legal work permit status?

I suspect that smaller businesses don't have a prayer.

3 posted on 04/24/2010 11:16:03 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: SandRat

Apr. 24, 2010

Carlyle companies must forfeit funds after employing illegal immigrants

[snip]During the investigation seven Wedekemper’s Construction Inc. employees were apprehended. Six of them were later charged with various criminal offenses, including misuse of a Social Security number, possession of a fraudulent Alien Registration Receipt Card and re-entry of a removed alien.

Read more: http://www.bnd.com/2010/04/24/1229257/two-carlyle-companies-plead-guilty.html#ixzz0m2i24ZS2


4 posted on 04/24/2010 11:18:05 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more ‘share the wealth’ socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Navy Patriot

everify, a free of charge voluntary system, is available, or so I believe, as I do not hire anybody personally. Making everify mandatory has been a proposal in the past, but knocked out of legislation by the usual suspects. Compliance costs are minimal.


5 posted on 04/24/2010 11:23:54 AM PDT by bajabaja (Too ugly to be scanned at the airports.)
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To: Navy Patriot
What I would like to know is how hard is it for a business to legally and economically vett an applicant for citizenship or legal work permit status?

I suspect that smaller businesses don't have a prayer.

I've been told by an HR person that the quickest and easiest way to spot 90% of illegals is the federal eVerify program. According to her, it's an online program that simply confirms that a valid social security number is held by the person named on the job app.

Being a one-time deal and given all of the other tax and reporting requirements being what they are, this seems to be a minimal extra effort required of even the smallest business.

6 posted on 04/24/2010 11:26:25 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Navy Patriot
What I would like to know is how hard is it for a business to legally and economically vett an applicant for citizenship or legal work permit status?

I suspect it's not a matter of verification difficulty. I'd guess it's a matter of being cheaper for the business to pay illegals $1 an hour than a citizen minimum wage.

7 posted on 04/24/2010 11:29:16 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Big government more or less guarantees rule by creeps and misfits.)
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To: SandRat
Good, makes it convenient for them to be picked up and deported.
8 posted on 04/24/2010 11:29:35 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: WHBates

Good, more jobs for Americans.....


9 posted on 04/24/2010 11:40:24 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: SandRat

Jobs ‘real Americans’ won’t do, no doubt.../s


10 posted on 04/24/2010 11:43:04 AM PDT by choctaw man (Good ole Andrew Jackson, or You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma...)
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To: Navy Patriot
What I would like to know is how hard is it for a business to legally and economically vett an applicant for citizenship or legal work permit status?

They show you valid ID, social security card, produce a social security number tied to themselves...what is an employer to do after that?

11 posted on 04/24/2010 11:55:42 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Bob

What happens when the social security number matches in eVerify?


12 posted on 04/24/2010 11:57:13 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Navy Patriot
It's very difficult. If a small business makes one move that's perceived to be discriminatory, they end up being sued. So, basic questions on the application are designed to do the vetting in a generic way...(so to speak) and we all know how honest criminals are when completing applications.
13 posted on 04/24/2010 12:02:10 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Control the American people? Herding cats would be easier.)
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To: bajabaja
...everify, a free of charge voluntary system, is available, or so I believe...

The problem with e-verify, as I understand it, is that the Social Security administration won't vouch for its accuracy.

As a consequence, an employer using e-verify and not hiring a given person becomes subject to liability charges brought thru the EEOC.

Proving once again that the federal government cannot be counted upon to do anything right. Except, possibly, collect taxes.

14 posted on 04/24/2010 12:05:00 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

what if the same number matches 1000 times from across the country ?


15 posted on 04/24/2010 12:05:33 PM PDT by stylin19a (Never buy a putter until you first get a chance to throw it)
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To: Bob; bajabaja; gunsequalfreedom
easiest way to spot 90% of illegals is the federal eVerify program.

Seems like e Verify is a good tool, but some illegals can slip through. That makes the 43% of Arizona businesses having an illegal seem logical, and demonizes fewer employers.

Still, it's the Federal government that allowed the situation to grow into the disaster that it is,.

16 posted on 04/24/2010 12:16:21 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: stylin19a
what if the same number matches 1000 times from across the country ?

I understand that the IRS will not tell a taxpayer where or who is using their stolen Social Security number, only that it is being used for income and the amount of that income.

17 posted on 04/24/2010 12:21:06 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Outlaw Woman
It's very difficult. If a small business makes one move that's perceived to be discriminatory, they end up being sued.

This is what I expected, and I would proffer that La Raza and the ACLU will run ringers for a nice easy shakedown program.

18 posted on 04/24/2010 12:26:49 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: SandRat

If they could control the job situation to where there was no profit for these guys to come here, ie no job for them, the illegal situation would be solved, imho.

Wonder if the new anti-immigration bill Jan Brewer signed yesterday will help?


19 posted on 04/24/2010 12:31:03 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Navy Patriot

I’m sure.


20 posted on 04/24/2010 12:35:32 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Control the American people? Herding cats would be easier.)
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To: SandRat
A movement is afoot by the dems to make businesses responsible for hiring Americans. It will be in some type of immigration reform law, most likely. The government will put pressure on businesses to hire only Americans, thereby making businesses, especially small businesses, another arm of Big Brother.

Corruption will abound. Government will assess heavy fines if a business is caught hiring illegals, but the government will look the other way, or not police the businesses very much at all. The government will have done "something", but when it doesn't work, they will have their "scapegoat" all ready to blame. This solution will be sold instead of simply shutting down the border.

21 posted on 04/24/2010 12:35:34 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: SandRat

Wonder how many are in Phoenix? The mayor of Phoenix was mouthing off on AMC this AM about asking his city attorney to sue over this bill the Gonernor signed.

Maybe the locals there need to tell this guy he might be more a part of the problem than he is a part of the solution. I would think he isn’t going to be re-elected in Arizona.

People there are really angry over the rancher being killed, while checking stock water tanks on his own land.


22 posted on 04/24/2010 1:03:57 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Navy Patriot

In Nevada, there is a company that does all of that for you. I think they are called LYNX-—or maybe LINX. I think the cost is about $125 or so per employee applicant. Since the fine can be daily $5000 perperson, this doesn’t seem too bad to me. I don’t know if they give any kind of discount for more than one possible applicant.


23 posted on 04/24/2010 1:05:51 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Bob

I’ve been told by an HR person that the quickest and easiest way to spot 90% of illegals is the federal eVerify program. According to her, it’s an online program that simply confirms that a valid social security number is held by the person named on the job app.”

EVerify is good, but I don’t know how easy it is to contact them. I don’t know how large their servers are.

Is there anyone here on FR who has actually used eVerify??


24 posted on 04/24/2010 1:07:28 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: AuntB
Apr. 24, 2010 Carlyle companies must forfeit funds after employing illegal immigrants

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25 posted on 04/24/2010 1:08:42 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Navy Patriot

It’s called E-Verify. The feds will check their SS numbers and names to make sure they aren’t illegals. If you have check them and the feds OK’d it, then you are safe if it turns out one of them is illegal.


26 posted on 04/24/2010 1:21:26 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Have you donated to Free Republic yet? If not you are a Freeploader)
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To: SandRat

Is AZ. trying to stop future rat voters? Only all dead people vote rat.


27 posted on 04/24/2010 1:36:29 PM PDT by G-Man 1
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28 posted on 04/24/2010 2:10:24 PM PDT by HiJinx (Pin)
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To: Bob
"I've been told by an HR person that the quickest and easiest way to spot 90% of illegals..."

Don't most illegals NOT speak English? If that's so, that's HOW I could tell. Not rocket science.

29 posted on 04/24/2010 2:19:45 PM PDT by jackibutterfly ( Palin is so under obama's skin, he hears 'Hail to the Chief' when he sees her.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
What happens when the social security number matches in eVerify?

Then they're presumed to be legal, at least according to eVerify. You're just full of problems with dealing with illegal immigration, aren't you?

30 posted on 04/24/2010 2:22:44 PM PDT by Bob
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To: McGavin999
then you are safe if it turns out one of them is illegal.

OK, then, with this and it seems that E Verify is low enough in cost, conscientious small businessmen can comply. Better than nothing.

31 posted on 04/24/2010 3:48:25 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Bob
You're just full of problems with dealing with illegal immigration, aren't you?

Sorry, I'm a general manager. That's my training. If you don't identify the problem, it is only by dumb luck you arrive at a solution.

This rarely works either...


32 posted on 04/24/2010 4:28:38 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Navy Patriot
OK, then, with this and it seems that E Verify is low enough in cost, conscientious small businessmen can comply. Better than nothing.

You forgot to consider the people working at the social security office that sell valid social security numbers. eVerify is not going to pick those up. Now that may be such a small percentage that it is not of significant concern.

33 posted on 04/24/2010 4:30:42 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: ridesthemiles

The Mayor is an Open Border believer and would have Phoenix be a ‘Sanctuary City’ if he could and would but for Sheriff Arapio.


34 posted on 04/24/2010 4:43:28 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: G-Man 1

Among other things.


35 posted on 04/24/2010 4:44:35 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Navy Patriot
Still, it's the Federal government that allowed the situation to grow into the disaster that it is,.

Let's be a little more specific on who is responsible for the millions upon millions of illegals that simply walked across our borders.


36 posted on 04/24/2010 4:51:31 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: jackibutterfly
Don't most illegals NOT speak English? If that's so, that's HOW I could tell. Not rocket science.

Their ability to speak English or lack of it isn't necessarily a very good indicator. Some illegals have better English skills than a good number of legal immigrants.

37 posted on 04/24/2010 7:25:13 PM PDT by Bob
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