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Hayworth: 'Birther bill' doesn't go far enough (he wants to verify all candidates for all offices)
The Arizona Republic, Phoenix, Ariz. | 2010-04-25 | Dan Nowicki

Posted on 04/25/2010 10:12:06 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; az2010; beckisabirther; birthcertificate; certifigate; democratsarebirthers; hayworth; jdhayworth; mccain; naturalborncitizen; noamnesty4mccain; obama; obamaisabirther; sayno2amnesty; sayno2mccain
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1 posted on 04/25/2010 10:12:07 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

okay? I have to have two forms of i.d. just to get a new job, so....


2 posted on 04/25/2010 10:15:50 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: rabscuttle385
"It's real simple: We now require voters to offer proof that voters are who they say they are," Hayworth said

Actually, J.D., we don't which is another part of the problem.

3 posted on 04/25/2010 10:16:14 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Seems reasonable.


4 posted on 04/25/2010 10:16:21 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Eagles6
Actually, J.D., we don't which is another part of the problem.

They do in Arizona.

5 posted on 04/25/2010 10:17:48 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m okay with checking every candidate.


6 posted on 04/25/2010 10:18:28 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Carry_Okie

Too bad it isn’t nationwide.


7 posted on 04/25/2010 10:19:10 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain should be ashamed for not seeing about this issue in his campaign against Obama.


8 posted on 04/25/2010 10:26:19 AM PDT by abclily
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To: HungarianGypsy

Pee test!

I have to take em for my job.

Politicians need to live by the same rules as us.


9 posted on 04/25/2010 10:26:21 AM PDT by kennyboy509 (Ha! I kill me!)
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To: kennyboy509

**Pee test!**

In Congress a Pee test would register at 86 PROOF

White House could only pass a drug test if it was ... MULTIPLE CHOICE!


10 posted on 04/25/2010 10:29:15 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (To anger a Conservative, Lie to them. To anger a Liberal, tell them the TRUTH!)
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To: Eagles6

“It’s real simple: We now require voters to offer proof that voters are who they say they are,” Hayworth said

Actually, J.D., we don’t which is another part of the problem.

In AZ we do require people to prove who they are to vote


11 posted on 04/25/2010 10:39:04 AM PDT by henry_reardon
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To: rabscuttle385

They brought it upon themselves,,,proof the candidates and proof the voters. Simple....When I vote, I can produce proof that I am legal. When I cash a check at the bank I have to show my ID,,,big deal. I’m legal. As long as the bank does that, my fees do not go up to have to pay some scum bags scam.

Bring some credibility to the elections.


12 posted on 04/25/2010 10:39:23 AM PDT by Concho
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To: kennyboy509

Know a dim who constantly cites the Constitution whenever a job asks him to take a pee test. No matter how often he is reminded it is a PRIVATE organization. Of course, he is unemployed and says how hard it is to find a job.


13 posted on 04/25/2010 10:47:02 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: henry_reardon

I am a poll worker in WI. We have same day registration for all voters at the polls. The only ID they need to register is their DL number. I am not allowed to look at, or touch the DL. The registrant can just recite the number to me. True, most voters toss the Drivers’ License at me, but I’m not supposed to look at the picture.

If they don’t have a license, they can show a bank statement, or utility bill with their address on it. How crazy is that?

I’m supposed to record the number on the registration form. I can’t look at their picture, but I can copy down their BANK ACCOUNT number when they register. Sen. Russ Feingold, D, WI is sponsoring a Bill to make this the law of the land everywhere.

Beware, you do not want this law. Opens your elections to all kinds of voter fraud.


14 posted on 04/25/2010 10:47:58 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: nolongerademocrat
Me too, after all, I had to show proof of birth and citizenship to join the military. Everyone that runs for public office should have to provide a birth certificate certificate.
15 posted on 04/25/2010 10:49:03 AM PDT by Americanexpat
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To: Eagles6

John McNuts is free to argue the opposite if he thinks that’s a winninisg hand.


16 posted on 04/25/2010 10:52:09 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: henry_reardon

Yeah, see posts #5 and #7. Should be the law of the land.


17 posted on 04/25/2010 10:54:13 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: Eagles6

“Actually, J.D., we don’t which is another part of the problem.”

Maybe we can bring attention to this also. Oh yeah, to enforce citizen’s rights means we’re racist...oh well!


18 posted on 04/25/2010 10:54:59 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - 11/2010, 11/2012 - Tea Party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Do you have to show a birth certificate in order to get a driver’s license?


19 posted on 04/25/2010 10:58:31 AM PDT by deport
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To: rabscuttle385
People complained about fingerprinting welfare recipients (to prevent fraud by having multiple accounts) because it would treat them like common criminals.

Meanwhile, while working for the city and in private industry I was fingerprinted about a dozen times within a 10 year period. (Background checks before getting hired, promoted to a new title, jury duty, new corporate policy, etc.)

20 posted on 04/25/2010 11:05:34 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: nolongerademocrat
I’m okay with checking every candidate.

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Attach long form birth certificate to application: Yes, let's require representative, senator, and presidential candidates to attach their long form birth certificates to their application forms when they apply to run for those offices in each state's primary.

The application forms with the long form birth certificates would then immdiately become part of the public record, and so the public and the media would have a legal right to examine a candidate's long form birth certificate any time they wished.

21 posted on 04/25/2010 11:09:40 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I can’t look at their picture, but I can copy down their BANK ACCOUNT number

WHY in the HELL do want a &!$@#*% BANK ACCOUNT number?! Are they going to try and impose some sort of poll tax?

And Feingold wants this to be the law of the land?? WTF??

22 posted on 04/25/2010 11:12:23 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: kennyboy509
A pee test, a sanity test, and a 2 term limit. Also, 80% cut in pay - including all former congressmen, and elimination of their royals royce retirment plan... including ones already retired.

We are getting close to a Revolution.

23 posted on 04/25/2010 11:19:03 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Hey, Barack "Hubris" Obama, $10 is all it would take, why spend millions to cover it up?)
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To: deport

I don’t think so. And they allow illegals to drive here. This state is overrun by Dems. THanks to some of our intrepid Pubbies, they stopped an even worse voter law from being imposed just last week. The legislature has adjouned, so we’re safe for now.

The law that was stopped was an outomatic voter registration every time you contacted the state govt. for anything — DL, hunting license, Aid to Dependent Children, etc.

Can you imagine all the duplications? All the better to provide opportunities for voter fraud. Plus, they negated the ability for people to challenge a voter. The penalties for voter fraud are a slap on the wrist. The penalty for improperly challenging a voter was to be a $300,000 fine and jail time. And absentee ballots would be permanent — apply for an absentee ballot once and you would be sent one in every electionD


24 posted on 04/25/2010 11:22:48 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Americanexpat

Hmmm, you’re a veteran - guess you’re on that watchlist with me - Thank you for your service! Has anyone talked to you about The Oath Keepers? If we’re going to be on a watchlist anyway...

Oath Keepers...Guardians of the Republic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzadNTI2bec

Here’s to the Heroes: A Military Tribute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL-0mdEg0U4

and for good measure
Our Lives, Our Fortunes, and Our Sacred Honor: Election 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL5bPJFHRnA

Remember November
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABVmx24chnU

Vanity of Vanities — What is Crooked Can Not Be Made Straight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02alkFlEyA4

Too Late to Apologize: A Declaration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZfRaWAtBVg

the Declaration of Independence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poT5yr5lJCU


25 posted on 04/25/2010 11:25:28 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Eagles6

we do in Arizona.


26 posted on 04/25/2010 11:34:23 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Cyropaedia
WHY in the HELL do want a &!$@#*% BANK ACCOUNT number?!

WI allows you to register to vote using several forms of ID. This is because "supposedly" elderly people, poor people, non-drivers, etc. don't have access to regular ID. The main ID here is your driver's license, or state ID for those without DLs, or utility bill with your address on it, or bank statement or credit card statement with your address on it, along with the last 4 digits of your SS number.

Of course, when registering new voters, I cannot look at the SS card, or the DL. It has me screaming at every training! But, I have to write down the document number of every secondary doc used for ID. And if you have no cdocs? No problem. Bring a neighbor who is a registered voter to vouch for you.

If you have no permanent address? No problem. The state provides a little diagram on the registration form where you can designate the street corner where you hang out. Just ID the street names and the neares landmarks -- you know, I live in that cardboard box next to the public library!

The fallacy of all this is that those who want to beat the system can just lie, and I have no way of checking. University students brag about doing it all the time -- and voting twice. One election they had 3000 more students voting from a dorm in Madison than actually lived there. And that's not counting those who came home and voted from home too.

There is supposed to be a system in place to cross check all these votes, but it is not working yet, even though it was supposed to be in place in 2006.

Even if fraud is proven, the votes are already counted and there is nothing you can do about it. If 100 votes are found to be fraudulent (unlikely because they really make it hard to check) the worst they could do would be to subtract 50 votes from each candidate.

27 posted on 04/25/2010 11:37:08 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Cyropaedia

BTW, when I first registered to vote here, I brought everything — DL, Birth Certificate (yes Obamby, I have one), Baptismal certificate (well, it was in the same file), Social Security card. All they wanted to see at that time (1987) was my electric bill! I objected, asking, “How to you know I’m a citizen?”

“Well, you don’t have an accent.”

“I could have come from an English speaking country and lived here a long time...”

“OK, I’ll look at your birth certificate, if you insist, but I really want your electric bill.”

I wass working as apoll watcher in one election when I saw a poll worker try to give a ballot to a man who was a non-citizen (by his own admission) because “He’s lived here 25 years and should be allowed to vote on the water issue.” Luckily, the chief election clerk stopped that, or I would have had to speak up and cause a ruckus.


28 posted on 04/25/2010 11:45:17 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: rabscuttle385
I can get to my long form birth certificate within two minutes. Obama wrote that he had his BC in his possession, or told Ayers that he did. This issue couldn't be simpler...release the original unamended document and any amendments regardless of what they say. I'll even assume for the sake of argument that it proves that he is a natural born US citizen, release it anyway. If child custody and divorce records are a matter of public interest then surely this $10 document is. The media and the Left are so corrupt it's disgusting.
29 posted on 04/25/2010 11:56:17 AM PDT by FTJM
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In these times, Hayworth is absolutely right. An elected official's history is of upmost importance as that person has the literal responsibility of making law.

A background check should be done on EVER SINGLE CANDIDATE as well...had that been done, bill clinton would have never passed muster. And uhbama would not have passed, either.

30 posted on 04/25/2010 12:08:46 PM PDT by Republic (Stop the horrific liberals from spending ONE MORE DIME before they destroy our nation.)
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To: rabscuttle385

And I’ve been dissed on this forum for advocating exactly the same thing. One shouldn’t be able to run for dog catcher without documentation of qualifications to hold the office.


31 posted on 04/25/2010 12:09:40 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: rabscuttle385

All I know is the State of Arizona required a copy of my long-form BC for teacher certification purposes.

So POTUS should be held to a lower standard?!


32 posted on 04/25/2010 12:32:07 PM PDT by rosettasister
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To: afraidfortherepublic

http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/drivers/apply/doc/proof-legal.htm
When applying for an original (first) Wisconsin instruction permit, driver license or identification card, you must provide proof of U.S. citizenship, legal permanent resident status, legal conditional resident status or legal presence in the U.S.

http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/drivers/apply/doc/proof-dob.htm
When applying for an original (first) Wisconsin driver license or identification card, you must provide proof of your name, date of birth, legal presence, identity and residency in Wisconsin.


33 posted on 04/25/2010 12:37:48 PM PDT by deport
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To: rosettasister

Arizona House Passes Amendment Requiring Citizenship Proof Of President

http://thebulletin.us/articles/2010/04/25/top_stories/doc4bd451953422a422818465.txt

But will Brewer sign?


34 posted on 04/25/2010 12:38:11 PM PDT by rosettasister
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To: Carry_Okie

We do in Ohio, but only for the people that live here. Anyone bussed in from Indiana,doesn’t need to show proof. Just ask Jennifer Brunner!


35 posted on 04/25/2010 12:43:04 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln)
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To: rosettasister

Arizona declares War on Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e0Hn0xWUVI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KpiWTHhNhI


36 posted on 04/25/2010 12:49:33 PM PDT by rosettasister
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“University students brag about doing it all the time — and voting twice. One election they had 3000 more students voting from a dorm in Madison than actually lived there. And that’s not counting those who came home and voted from home too. “

Something probably taught in voter fraud 101 classes by liberal college professors on behalf of moveon.org.


37 posted on 04/25/2010 2:03:53 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: gwilhelm56

It might reveal that some of the office holders got VD, or are demonspawn. That would be an unacceptable invasion of their privacy. So long as they weren’t born or hatched in She’ol, it doesn’t matter that their father and/or mother was. They’re natural-born citizens. What? You got something against sons of immigrants?


38 posted on 04/25/2010 2:57:17 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 ( Two-state solution: A bad idea whose time has gone.)
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To: rabscuttle385

AMEN!! Are we going to elect a NON CITIZEN?? well, we already did!


39 posted on 04/25/2010 3:42:20 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: rabscuttle385

JD Hayworth is awesome!

Bye bye Amnesty McCain.


40 posted on 04/25/2010 3:47:13 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain & Graham = La Raza's favorite Senators)
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To: rabscuttle385

I wish I oculd vote in Arizona...for JD!

McCain is loathsome.


41 posted on 04/25/2010 4:20:17 PM PDT by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: deport

Even in Oregon you do now! Go figure!


42 posted on 04/25/2010 4:22:30 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: rabscuttle385

How about making candidates for president obtain the simplest kind of security clearance which you’d need to be a guard at the gate of any US military base?? I mean, that would have spared us from both SlicKKK KKKlintler and Borque Oinquebama.


43 posted on 04/25/2010 4:32:25 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: deport

I never had to show my BC to get my DL in WI. I showed them my Washington State license. That was sufficient. But, I believe they changed the law since then.


44 posted on 04/25/2010 4:34:49 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: abclily
McCain should be ashamed for not seeing about this issue in his campaign against Obama.

That's true, but then again, McLame also declared that we have nothing to fear & no reason to be afraid of 0bozo (the commie pig). McLame wouldn't have had the balls to challenge 0bozo's constitutional qualifications no matter what, because after all that wouldn't be polite, civil discourse or respectful in McLame's peanut brain.

45 posted on 04/25/2010 6:15:38 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: rcrngroup

McCain ran in order to assure a Hillary or Obama win.


46 posted on 04/25/2010 6:19:18 PM PDT by Jane Austen (Boycott the Philadelphia Eagles!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Talk about vetting candidates!

Today we are letting the fox guard the hen
house. The wolves will be herding the sheep! Obama Appoints
two devout Muslims to home land security posts. Doesn’t this
make you feel safer already?

Obama and Janet Napolitano Appointed Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim, as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development. DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore-in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim, who was born in Damascus, Syria, as ADC National Executive Director as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).

NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...?

Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions? Doesn’t this make you feel safer already??

Was it not “Devout Muslim men” that flew planes into U.S. buildings 8 years ago? Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood ?


47 posted on 04/25/2010 6:28:34 PM PDT by IbJensen ((Ps 109.8): "Let his days be few; and let another take his position.")
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To: Jane Austen

You got that right!


48 posted on 04/25/2010 6:33:02 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: BP2; rxsid; null and void; Candor7

ping


49 posted on 04/25/2010 7:10:39 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or ...off..)
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To: Concho

“As long as the bank does that, my fees do not go up to have to pay some scum bags scam.”

‘some scum bags scam.”’

You mean like that scammer scum bag in the WH?


50 posted on 04/25/2010 7:58:21 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - 11/2010, 11/2012 - Tea Party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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