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MSNBC The Ed Show 4/23/2010 (amnesty to make the progressive movement a lot stronger).
LexisNexis News/MSNBC ^ | April 23, 2010 | sickoflibs

Posted on 04/25/2010 7:08:12 PM PDT by sickoflibs

It`s gut check time for the Obama administration and the Congress. Senator Lindsey Graham and Senator Chuck Schumer in New York have drafted the outline for an immigration bill which calls for illegal immigrants to admit, number one, that they broke the law. They`d have to pay a fine, along with back taxes, and perform community service if they want to move towards legal status in the country....

At the same time, we need to come together and grant some sort of amnesty for these 10 to 20 -- how many of them are -- undocumented workers already here in the country. They`re not going away. The problem is not going away.

And I think that if he does, how about this for a plan? We`ve got a lot of experts on illegal immigration. How about if you`re in the United States right now, we have Amnesty Day, you`re declared an American, you`re legal? If you`re on our soil, you`re legal?

Do you know what that would do to the tax base? Gosh, all these righties who want cheap labor, they`d actually have to pay minimum wage. This would level the playing field for small businesses across the country, and a lot of people would fall by the wayside, and we would certainly change the landscape of labor in this country and it would make the progressive movement in this country a lot stronger.

This is going to take a lot of guts by the Democrats in the Congress. Don`t count on the Republicans. They`re not going to be there. I don`t believe that you`re going to find the 11 that voted for it before to come back and help out President Obama.

President Obama has a chance to really change the economy and change the landscape of this illegal immigration issue for good. And, of course, with Amnesty Day, what do you say we really protect the border the way we`re supposed to?

Aren`t we concerned about national security? Tea Partiers, where are you? Don`t you want to keep the illegals out? But if the undocumented workers are here, isn`t this what America is all about?

Get your cell phones out, folks. I want to know what you think about this tonight.

Tonight`s tech survey question is: Do you believe all undocumented workers currently in the United States should be granted citizenship? Text "A" for yes and text "B" for no to 622639. We`ll bring you the results later on in the show.


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Another one I saw I figured I would share. Just proves what we always thought : That democrats want amnesty because poor uneducated Mexicans, or even those that make it with lots of government help (free college), will be loyal to the welfare state forever.
1 posted on 04/25/2010 7:08:12 PM PDT by sickoflibs
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To: sickoflibs

No!?! YOu don’t reckon..?!


2 posted on 04/25/2010 7:09:57 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: sickoflibs

Dream on, crazy Eddie


3 posted on 04/25/2010 7:10:42 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: sickoflibs
Another one I saw I figured I would share. Just proves what we always thought : That democrats want amnesty because poor uneducated Mexicans, or even those that make it with lots of government help (free college), will be loyal to the welfare state forever.

And there's ever been any doubt?

4 posted on 04/25/2010 7:11:17 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: sickoflibs

“They`d have to pay a fine, along with back taxes”

Key words. They want to steal your money or more of ours. That’s what this is about. We make you citizens and you get the same crappy deal we are trying to give to real Americans.


5 posted on 04/25/2010 7:11:25 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: NFHale; genetic homophobe; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; dools007; ...

Yep, and they will get their free health care too now with the tax rebates. Progressives (liberals) know it.


6 posted on 04/25/2010 7:11:53 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=taxes delayed")
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7 posted on 04/25/2010 7:12:04 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: sickoflibs

yeah,... it’;s the RIGHTIES who disobey the law and hire illegally...

no lefty has ever hired an illegal


8 posted on 04/25/2010 7:12:31 PM PDT by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: sickoflibs
Hard to believe but there's a Leftwingtard who knows nothing about the minimum wage. Unbeknownst to him you must pay even an illegal alien the minimum wage!

What you want to bet he never does!

9 posted on 04/25/2010 7:13:43 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: sickoflibs

The law of me:

Illegals should be sent home to their motherland (wherever that may be) and if they want to come back, they need to do it legally - learn to speak english beforehand, understand our laws and culture and pay a fine for being here illegally before we let them back in.

I don’t have a problem with immigrants. I have a problem with illegal immigrants and HOSTILE immigrants.


10 posted on 04/25/2010 7:14:03 PM PDT by nagdt ("speak the truth but leave immediately afterward")
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To: sickoflibs

Shall we send Lindsay Graham a set of new kneepads? WTF is this jerk’s problem?


11 posted on 04/25/2010 7:19:14 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: sickoflibs

Exactly!! Ruling by fiat for ever!! Just what the progressives want .. more power to destroy America.

I hope to hell we’re not going to allow this ..??


12 posted on 04/25/2010 7:19:37 PM PDT by CyberAnt (HEALTHCARE IS NOT A "RIGHT"!!)
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To: sickoflibs

Does this imbecile believe this? If you had amnesty day, the greedy employers employing illegals will just hire those who cross the border after amnesty day. DUH! It’s not like the government can or even wants to stop the endless flow of illegals into this country.


13 posted on 04/25/2010 7:19:53 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: sickoflibs

hoo-boy, that community service thing is going to be a toughie for those illegals...........i just don’t see that happening for them


14 posted on 04/25/2010 7:20:39 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Free Nobel Peace Prize with oil change =^..^=)
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Do you know what that would do to the tax base? Gosh, all these righties who want cheap labor, they`d actually have to pay minimum wage.

If the reason the "righties" don't want to just grant them citizenship is because the want cheap labor, why do we want to deport them?

15 posted on 04/25/2010 7:20:50 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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How about if you`re in the United States right now, we have Amnesty Day, you`re declared an American, you`re legal? If you`re on our soil, you`re legal?

Yeah?
How about another 20 million Mexicans invade the country the month before amnesty day, so they can immediately get US citizenship?
How about another 30-40 million more illegals added to the rolls of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, various disability programs, leading to another Trillions more dollars added to our federal deficits and ultimate bankruptcy and collapse of the US economy?

16 posted on 04/25/2010 7:23:39 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: pnh102

They may not have Lindsey in their side pocket any more. He’s having a hissy fit because they dumped cap and trade and are going for immigration instead. He’s made, I tell you, made as he can be and is going to hold his breath until he turns blue.


17 posted on 04/25/2010 7:23:46 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: freekitty

I don’t think so .. these are the people they will coddle and give all the rewards to .. in order to continue to keep their vote - year after year after year.


18 posted on 04/25/2010 7:23:58 PM PDT by CyberAnt (HEALTHCARE IS NOT A "RIGHT"!!)
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To: rabscuttle385; AuntB; stephenjohnbanker; mkjessup; Bokababe

My vote for director of homeland security is AuntB!


19 posted on 04/25/2010 7:24:42 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=taxes delayed")
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To: tacticalogic

This is just projection. Blame the other side of what you are doing.


20 posted on 04/25/2010 7:25:18 PM PDT by BenKenobi
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To: sickoflibs

I’ll show you were you can shove your progressive movement Ed...


21 posted on 04/25/2010 7:25:19 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you".)
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To: nagdt

Mega dittos!!


22 posted on 04/25/2010 7:25:25 PM PDT by CyberAnt (HEALTHCARE IS NOT A "RIGHT"!!)
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To: sickoflibs

This article reminds me: You know what I really hate?
I hate it when I get one of those tough little methane bubbles trapped in my crack.
And it won’t go up or down? Know what I mean?
So, casually I try to deal with it, flexing like a Castro Street bumhugger—until finally it bursts and makes a little sound like a chewing gum pop.
And my coworkers know. They act like they don’t but they do.
Like this article, I hate it when that happens.


23 posted on 04/25/2010 7:25:56 PM PDT by tumblindice (Hey hey, John Fritchey, how many troops deployed today?)
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To: sickoflibs
And, of course, with Amnesty Day, what do you say we really protect the border the way we`re supposed to?

You gotta grant amnesty before it becomes possible to secure the borders?

24 posted on 04/25/2010 7:26:35 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: WashingtonSource

Awesome typo.


25 posted on 04/25/2010 7:26:40 PM PDT by BenKenobi
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To: sickoflibs

I think it is a gamble, Mexicans tend to be hardworking, that means conservative. And I think it is insane to bring-up amnesty with high unemployment and a recession.


26 posted on 04/25/2010 7:26:46 PM PDT by JoSixChip (You think your having a bad day?.....Just remember, somewhere out there is a Mr. Pelosi!)
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To: sickoflibs

Actually I like this strategy on their part. How many assasinations were just carried out in Mexico the past weekend? How many dead cops?

They want to bring this into the United States and they’re crying about tea parties. The stupidity is palpable.


27 posted on 04/25/2010 7:28:02 PM PDT by sig226 (Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
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To: JoSixChip
I think it is insane to bring-up amnesty with high unemployment and a recession.

It didn't go over well when times were good...think of what will happen if they try to push it now...

28 posted on 04/25/2010 7:28:58 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you".)
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To: sig226
The stupidity is palpable.

The stupidity of the left is beyond explanation.

29 posted on 04/25/2010 7:30:07 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you".)
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That democrats want amnesty because poor uneducated Mexicans, or even those that make it with lots of government help (free college), will be loyal to the welfare state forever.

Funny thing is, slimes like McCain and Grahamnesty want amnesty for the same reason. With all these instinctively left wing Mexican illegals gaining citizenship, McCain reckons he don't have to worry about the GOP primaries or re-election ever again. Hey, if McCain's amnesty bill had passed in 2007, he'd probably be sitting pretty in the Arizona GOP primaries by now. The last thing McCain/Graham want is to be beholden to conservatives in any way.

30 posted on 04/25/2010 7:34:37 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: WashingtonSource; pnh102; NFHale; genetic homophobe; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; ...
RE :”They may not have Lindsey in their side pocket any more. He’s having a hissy fit because they dumped cap and trade and are going for immigration instead.

I think Graham-nesty was looking for ANY excuse to get out of being the lone R vote for this. Unemployment is close to 10%, conservatives are mobilized against RINOS (ie McCain) and everyone knows the country is broke and illegals would get free health care. I don't see how they get one R vote for this.

The only reason Obama is bringing this up is : 1) To help Harry Reid, 2) Obama promised House Hispanic caucus to bring this up for their HR votes. 3) the AZ bill has libs all worked up (to get out the base hispanic vote in November)

31 posted on 04/25/2010 7:35:34 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=taxes delayed")
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I don’t for one second believe that they will ever enforce the law and stop illegal immigration, If they get 20 million new democrats today they’ll want 50 million later, like in 2012.

That is the gist of the debate right?

If we get what we want now we’ll stop illegal immigration starting on this “amnesty day”.

What a disgusting way to try and win elections.


32 posted on 04/25/2010 7:36:04 PM PDT by muddler (Obama is either incompetent or malicious, and it makes little difference which.)
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To: BenKenobi
This is just projection. Blame the other side of what you are doing.

For the Democrats, amnesty is just cheap votes. They'll be paid for with other people's money, and the other people haven't even been born yet.

33 posted on 04/25/2010 7:36:36 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: sickoflibs; AuntB
"My vote for director of homeland security is AuntB!"

Hell, YES! I second that! Nothing gets past AuntB!

34 posted on 04/25/2010 7:42:23 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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And I think that if he does, how about this for a plan? We`ve got a lot of experts on illegal immigration. How about if you`re in the United States right now, we have Amnesty Day, you`re declared an American, you`re legal? If you`re on our soil, you`re legal?

Yeah, Eddie, that would work great. Because I'm sure that the same people who have disrespected our laws up to this point (by, you know, coming here illegally) will like TOTALLY respect and obey our laws the second after we grant them amnesty and stuff. Uh huh. Yep.

And I'm sure no illegal immigrants who should happen to cross the border after Amnesty Day will ever lie about when they came here. "Uh, actually, I've only been here a few days. So yeah, I missed the amnesty. I'm illegal -- deport me now, officer."

Ugh.

35 posted on 04/25/2010 7:44:21 PM PDT by random_user_827
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To: sickoflibs

No thank you...I’ll pass...Barf


36 posted on 04/25/2010 7:49:36 PM PDT by hstacey (Army Mom...)
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To: pnh102

“Shall we send Lindsay Graham a set of new kneepads? WTF is this jerk’s problem?”

He is doing John McCain’s bidding. McCain can’t do it himself (unless he gets re-elected), so therefore Lindsay is his proxy in the interim on immigration and cap and trade. It is diabolically evil, and I hope to heaven the people of AZ realize what a shark they are dealing with, a maverick, which under my definition, is a turncoat.


37 posted on 04/25/2010 7:50:58 PM PDT by flaglady47 (To bastardize Samuel Johnson, tyranny is the last refuge of scoundrels)
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RE :”And I'm sure no illegal immigrants who should happen to cross the border after Amnesty Day will ever lie about when they came here. “Uh, actually, I've only been here a few days. So yeah, I missed the amnesty. I'm illegal — deport me now, officer.

You sound a bit cynical. I think he wants Obama to promise you that after Amnesty day the border will be shut down; That no one new will be allowed to cross after that. You don't believe? How about if he has the CBO score it like health reform? You got you a huge tax cut didn't you? He created millions of jobs didn't he? Trust in Obama. He kept illegals from getting Obama-care didnt he ? OOPPS. Maybe that wasn't a good example.

38 posted on 04/25/2010 7:58:13 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=taxes delayed")
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To: Bokababe; sickoflibs

LMBO! Well, I’ll guarantee you one thing, I look more like a girl than Janet Nappin’attheAlamo!


39 posted on 04/25/2010 8:01:48 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more ‘share the wealth’ socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: sickoflibs
The bottom line is, the creation of 20-30-40-50-60-70-80 million newly pardoned illegal liberal progressives, just in time to bring in their aunts, uncles, sisters, brothers, children, wife's, nephews, or any other relation to vote again in November for the demo-rats!

No mention of building the fence to keep them out of the U.S. or protecting the American people from being murdered like the recent murder of an American Rancher in Arizona!

Go figure! If you support the immigration bill you will be celebrated by the socialist, if you are against the bill, you will be again called a racist bigot! Just watch and see, this will come from the old media, CBS, NBC, CNN ABC, PBS, and MSNBC etc.

40 posted on 04/25/2010 8:36:40 PM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: CyberAnt

I do understand what you are saying and would agree; but I think they have moved to a new level which is very dangerous for them.


41 posted on 04/25/2010 8:44:28 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: paratrooper82; AuntB

“if you are against the bill, you will be again called a racist bigot!”

Gee....that will keep me up nights....


42 posted on 04/25/2010 8:46:30 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: sickoflibs
Some time in 1986 the U.S. Congress, for the fourth successive year, will consider immigration reform legislation. The current Senate version of the legislation was passed September 19, 1985, with the support of the Reagan administration. Hey stooge, did the Conservatives get any credit from the illegals who were just given amnesty by President Reagan? Hell no, and why in the hell should Conservative Americans give a $hit now if the Hispanic vote turns to the demo-rats? Close the border, or the American people will and this is exactly what is driving the obumbum administration to get amnesty passed right now!
43 posted on 04/25/2010 8:49:30 PM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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Close the southern border with Mexico now, or the American people will. This is exactly what is making obumbum $hit his knickers! He can invision all fifty states in the United States adopting the same immigration law Arizona just signed into law and that has him and his ilk scared to death! If the American people begin departing his voters back across the border from where they came, they will not be able to vote in November, and that is the last voting block the demo-rats have left that will support their socialism in America!
44 posted on 04/25/2010 8:54:02 PM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: sickoflibs

OK. They have to pay a fine. How big a fine? How about their share of the US Debt? That would be about $300,000 a person. That would prove that they are worthy of being here.


45 posted on 04/25/2010 9:29:30 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: sickoflibs

“Do you know what that would do to the tax base? “

Do you know what that would do to the welfare system caseload, to give 10-20 million people making marginal wages ready for all govt bennies????

higher taxes, deficits and a ‘structural’ democrat majority to insist on keeping the system going...

ARGENTINA - Look it up.
Bankruptcy awaits!


46 posted on 04/25/2010 10:12:30 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: paratrooper82

“Close the southern border with Mexico now, or the American people will. This is exactly what is making obumbum $hit his knickers! He can invision all fifty states in the United States adopting the same immigration law Arizona just signed into law and that has him and his ilk scared to death! “

Yes, the dumb $hit never counted on my home state giving him the finger. He is just dumb enough to start trouble here. If he does....LOOK OUT !!


47 posted on 04/26/2010 5:27:29 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: sickoflibs; WashingtonSource; pnh102; NFHale; genetic homophobe; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; ...

“I think Graham-nesty was looking for ANY excuse to get out of being the lone R vote for this. “

It was more to help McCain. I’m sure McCain was praying amnessty didn’t surface until after november. McCain is running out of luck for the first time in his extraordinarily lucky life.


48 posted on 04/26/2010 5:33:35 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: sickoflibs; rabscuttle385; AuntB; mkjessup; Bokababe

My vote for director of homeland security is AuntB!

B U M P


49 posted on 04/26/2010 5:37:03 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: paratrooper82; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
The bottom line is, the creation of 20-30-40-50-60-70-80 million newly pardoned illegal liberal progressives, just in time to bring in their aunts, uncles, sisters, brothers, children, wife's, nephews, or any other relation to vote again in November for the demo-rats!

They would not vote legally this year even if amnesty passed (although amnesty might encourage them to vote illegally). I would guess it would take 10 years for millions of formerly illegal voters to become citizens. But 10 years is too soon for that despicable swindle, which should never be allowed.

And I don't assume they would vote for Dems; they might vote for imported political parties worse than Dems. But make no mistake: amnesty would eventually ensure permanent leftist control of all branches of covernment.

50 posted on 04/26/2010 5:37:46 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Pat Caddell: Democrats are drinking kool-aid in a political Jonestown)
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