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Hayward men get six months for BB gun hate-crime shooting (Muslims go on Rampage with BB gun)
http://www.insidebayarea.com ^ | 04/22/2010 | By Eric Kurhi

Posted on 04/26/2010 12:51:35 AM PDT by Maelstorm

SAN FRANCISCO — Three Hayward cousins have pleaded guilty to shooting a man in the face with a BB gun because they thought he was gay, and were sentenced to six months in jail.

Mohammad Habibzada, 24, Shafiq Hashemi, 21, and Sayed Bassam, 21, also will be on probation for three years and must complete as much as 400 hours of community service, including 40 hours of hate-crime sensitivity training, according to the San Francisco District Attorney's Office.

Police said the men went to San Francisco on Feb. 26 armed with an air rifle and video camera, targeting people who they thought were gay, including a man who was standing outside a Mission District bar smoking a cigarette.

They shot the man in the cheek and were caught soon after when the victim — while giving a report to police — spotted their car still in the area.

The victim was not seriously injured, police said.

Investigators found the rifle and camera, which contained footage of 11 additional attacks that appeared to occur in San Francisco.

There was not enough evidence to pursue charges in the other attacks, said Brian Buckelew of the District Attorney's Office.

"It was unclear whether anyone was hit, and because no one came forward, we can't do anything with that," he said.

The men pleaded guilty Monday to a charge of negligent discharge of a BB gun, but with a hate-crime enhancement.

"Normally the charge would be a misdemeanor, Advertisement Quantcast but with the hate-crime allegation, it becomes a felony," Buckelew said. "That's why (the allegation) is important."

The men had been charged with three felony counts and one misdemeanor, including assault with a deadly weapon with a hate-crime enhancement, discharge of a firearm with gross negligence and attempted mayhem.

Buckelew said the settlement offer was made after considering input from community groups, the victim, the seriousness of the injury and the seriousness of specifically targeting people based on their sexual orientation. He said they also took into account the age, lack of criminal history and remorsefulness shown by the defendants.

The men will be formally sentenced May 13.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
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All humor aside because this whole scenario is pretty funny. Should a misdemeanor become a felony because someone is gay or was thought to be gay? If they were targeting old folks it would be a misdemeanor. If they were targeting a young white guy who didn't look gay it would be a misdemeanor.


1 posted on 04/26/2010 12:51:35 AM PDT by Maelstorm
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SNIPPET from post no. 1:


"They shot the man in the cheek and were caught soon after when the victim — while giving a report to police — spotted their car still in the area. The victim was not seriously injured, police said.

Investigators found the rifle and camera, which contained footage of 11 additional attacks that appeared to occur in San Francisco.

There was not enough evidence to pursue charges in the other attacks, said Brian Buckelew of the District Attorney's Office."

2 posted on 04/26/2010 1:12:09 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Maelstorm

2 things you’re wrong on Maelstrom

1) Current federal hate crimes protects against crimes motivated, “on the basis of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability.”

So if a group of individuals decide, “Hey, let’s go attack some white guys”, that could still be a hate crime because its targeting people based on race/color/gender.

2) It isn’t a felony only because the targets were thought to be gay. Its a felony because of a charge like, “discharge of a firearm with gross negligence” and “attempted mayhem”.

I dont know why you think its funny some sick weirdos thought it was ok to go shoot at gay people in san francisco. that’s awful.


3 posted on 04/26/2010 1:58:46 AM PDT by ca209guy (not very funny to me)
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To: ca209guy
If they pull this stunt on the wrong San Franciscan I hope someone is there with a video recorder .
4 posted on 04/26/2010 2:09:30 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Maelstorm

The oh so tolerant Muslims mix it up with the oh so tolerant gays, who are taking a break from assaulting Prop. 8 supporters.


5 posted on 04/26/2010 2:12:55 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Maelstorm
Media ignorance strikes again. An air rifle is not a BB gun. An air rifle has considerably more velocity short range and accuracy. At close range they can in fact be deadly. A BB Gun is one pump or one action only, much slower velocity, and less accuracy. IOW an air rifle is not the same thing as a Red Ryder BB gun and the same precautions as any other firearm should be used.
6 posted on 04/26/2010 2:21:39 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Maelstorm
(Muslims go on Rampage with BB gun)

LOL, Muzzies are not very deep thinkers. A BB gun is not the weapon of choice if you're going to be rampaging ;^)

7 posted on 04/26/2010 2:22:07 AM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: ca209guy
Are you some poofter progressive troll just signed up to aggravate the Freeper old-timers,super-newbie?
Muslims shooting BBs at homos,two factions that just seethe with hate for the average conservative is not exactly Fort Hood to us you oversensitive idjit.
Go back to the liberal forums. I think we need to Zot you in the bud.
8 posted on 04/26/2010 2:27:49 AM PDT by Happy Rain ( "Tyranny's End In 2010--Delivered From Hell In 2012!")
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To: ca209guy
So if a group of individuals decide, “Hey, let’s go attack some white guys”, that could still be a hate crime because its targeting people based on race/color/gender.

I think that your use of "could" instead of "would" is pretty funny.

9 posted on 04/26/2010 2:35:47 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Maelstorm

When Sacred Cows Collide...


10 posted on 04/26/2010 2:46:36 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gov. Chris Christie (R) won the NJ-6 held by Rep. Frank Pallone (D) by a 15.5% margin!)
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To: Happy Rain

You know, Happy Rain,
You don’t have to be real gay,
To think this is wrong...


11 posted on 04/26/2010 2:51:59 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gov. Chris Christie (R) won the NJ-6 held by Rep. Frank Pallone (D) by a 15.5% margin!)
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To: ca209guy
2 things you’re wrong on Maelstrom

1 thing you are not getting ca209guy, Maelstrom was overemphasizing to make a point. Calm down Francis.

12 posted on 04/26/2010 3:07:28 AM PDT by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: ca209guy

You just signed up today to make this your first post? Just some advice, before jumping on a person or group of people, make sure you understand what is going on first.

What people find funny is the stupidity of these religious zealots who not only don’t see why it might be a good idea to leave the scene of a crime they committed, but made the concerted effort to incriminate themselves by recording all their attacks and carrying it around with them.

Just curious, you seem to agree with hate crime legislation. Do you think that letting bureaucrats make judgements on “perception” of someone’s motives in any kind of issue is a good idea? Why is an attack on someone that takes place because they simply “looked vulnerable” somehow less heinous than an attack on someone because they “looked homosexual”?


13 posted on 04/26/2010 3:32:48 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: Maelstorm
"...discharge of a firearm..."

???

14 posted on 04/26/2010 3:49:22 AM PDT by cake_crumb (President Reagan on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: ca209guy
"So if a group of individuals decide, 'Hey, let’s go attack some white guys', that could still be a hate crime because its targeting people based on race/color/gender."

Please show me one or two examples of ethnic on white violence enhanced as a "hate crime".

15 posted on 04/26/2010 3:59:01 AM PDT by cake_crumb (President Reagan on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: Steely Tom
I think that your use of "could" instead of "would" is pretty funny.

Especially since in his other post since joining today, he identifies himself as a "liberal".

16 posted on 04/26/2010 4:54:51 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney,No Mark Kirk (Illinois), not now, not ever!)
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To: Happy Rain
From the noob's other post today:

i am a liberal and i think that .....

17 posted on 04/26/2010 5:13:16 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney,No Mark Kirk (Illinois), not now, not ever!)
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To: Maelstorm

You’re right. A crime should be standardized across actions. This whole “perceived” thing is just wrong and arbitrary. It should be sued out of existence.

What troubles me the most, though, is this part of the article: “40 hours of hate-crime sensitivity training”.

Who decides what that is? It sounds like re-education camps. You should be able to think as you like. Battery and assault are completely different. This is a religious belief taken over the line. The punishment goes too far as well in trying to realign the mind.


18 posted on 04/26/2010 5:19:02 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: ca209guy

I’m one of many who don’t see the point in “hate crime” laws. I don’t care whether some black/Hispanic/Asian/white kid was assaulted/shot because of his skin color or his wallet, either way the criminals should be locked up for a VERY long time. Why would it be worse to choose a victim based on certain actual or perceived traits than to choose based on other actual or perceived traits? I’d seriously like to hear your answer.

Also, as a technical note, air guns are not considered firearms, since firearms require an explosive charge.


19 posted on 04/26/2010 6:07:12 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Maelstorm
I would say that it was fortunate that their victims were gay.

Not because of any animosity I have towards gay people, but because if they had been attacking straight white men, the SF cops would have patted them on the head, handed their BB guns back, and filed the crime under "Oh, those wild and crazy Muslim kids...."

Good that they were locked up. I'm not entirely happy about the hate-crime aspect of the case, but that's a discussion for another day.

BTW, this is the first that I've heard of the event. IMHO, I'd call it terrorism.

20 posted on 04/26/2010 6:24:23 AM PDT by wbill
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To: ca209guy

IBTZ.


21 posted on 04/26/2010 6:34:59 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Lazamataz

Me too... IBTZ


22 posted on 04/26/2010 6:43:49 AM PDT by Poser (Enjoying Prime Rib for 58 Years!)
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To: Maelstorm
The men pleaded guilty Monday to a charge of negligent discharge of a BB gun, but with a hate-crime enhancement.

Screw the "hate crime" angle. It's assault and battery. Should be good for plenty, all on it's own.

And the victim should look into Pink Pistols.

23 posted on 04/26/2010 6:59:40 AM PDT by Lee N. Field (Dispensational exegesis not supported by an a-, post- or historic pre-mil scholar will be ignored.)
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Yep, when you can get 1200 FPS out of a .177 caliber pellet, you have the potential for a serious injury up close. However, air guns and BB guns are not firearms, even in CA, regardless of the charges put onto these people. I think the article, since it was written by liberals, fails to mention the most important part. These were muslims deliberately attacking gays. There should be a warning in there somewhere to gays that Muslims will be killing them off first if they ever gain control in this country.

Gays actively support Muslims and side with then against the right, when it would be in their best interest to resist and scream out against muslims.

24 posted on 04/26/2010 7:05:58 AM PDT by calex59
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To: cva66snipe

That’s odd. The Red Rider BB Gun used compressed air. At least the one I had as a kid did. Working the lever pushed a piston compressing air which pushed the BB when the trigger was pulled.


25 posted on 04/26/2010 7:42:21 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: wbill; All

Wbill makes a valid point. I was in Phoenix last Friday-did any else hear about the mob of thousands that attacked a lone white supporter of the new Arizona legislation?

Anyone?

The cops had to protect the guy from the crowd, and were pelted with rocks, bottles and trash.

This did not even get a peep on the local news in Arizona, never mind the national level.

If this had been a mob of whites on a lone black or Hispanic, it would be a historic event. As it was, only a few freepers seem to know or care about it.

Liberals always screech about equal protection under the law, but Hate crime legislation is a one way street.


26 posted on 04/26/2010 7:43:43 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: rlmorel
To your point, I consider myself pretty well-informed, and I'd not heard of the attack you're talking about.

Will dig around on FR and find it.

27 posted on 04/26/2010 7:57:11 AM PDT by wbill
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“That’s why (the allegation) is important.”

So, it’s not what was actually done, but what people want to politicize from it?

Hate crimes are a travesty of the law. No crime is done in “love.”

A crime, done to a specific “group” of privileged people, does not make it any more heinous.

28 posted on 04/26/2010 8:25:12 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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2) It isn’t a felony only because the targets were thought to be gay. Its a felony because of a charge like, “discharge of a firearm with gross negligence” and “attempted mayhem”.

Hey, crawl out from under your log and read this from the short article above:

“Normally the charge would be a misdemeanor, Advertisement Quantcast but with the hate-crime allegation, it becomes a felony,” Buckelew said. “That's why (the allegation) is important.”

29 posted on 04/26/2010 8:29:12 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: wbill

Check out this link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2499465/posts

As the person who started the thread stated, there were at least a few thousand people, all streaming to this one area to swell the attack.

You can see stuff flying through the air.


30 posted on 04/26/2010 8:29:33 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: Haiku Guy

No one said it was right. What is most certainly wrong is charging someone with a felony when in any other case it would be a misdemeanor simply because of what they were supposedly thinking or rather in this case not thinking much at all.


31 posted on 04/26/2010 8:33:29 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Some want to enslave your body others your soul.)
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To: cake_crumb

Actually there was a recent case involving two black guys who beat an old Asian man to death after targeting his son.


32 posted on 04/26/2010 8:34:32 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Some want to enslave your body others your soul.)
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To: wbill; All

Actually, don’t bother with the Fox News link at the top. It is largely sanitized, and to me, makes it look like the cops were actually arresting the guy, who probably made the “mistake” of saying he supported the bill.

So don’t even bother with that one. Check out this YouTube video, taken by someone from above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c6KB_hwzf4


33 posted on 04/26/2010 8:34:56 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: 1010RD

I’m surprised that CAIR isn’t involved. This is definitely a case they could win. They could claim their defendants are being unfairly punished more harshly because they are Muslim and have Muslim views. This is a case where I wish they would.


34 posted on 04/26/2010 8:36:16 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Some want to enslave your body others your soul.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Exactly. This threatens all of us because these type of things could in a confluence of events turn the victim into the aggressor and the victim could end up with a harsher sentence simply because of an expressed feeling or thought. What happens when a white man who had written something in a blog about how he thought blacks were responsible for much of crime in his area but then ends up during a mugging injuring one of them seriously? His words could be used against him no matter how truthful or unrelated to the event in which he was attacked.


35 posted on 04/26/2010 8:46:21 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Some want to enslave your body others your soul.)
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To: kbennkc

That looks like the most powerful BB gun in the whole world, and could blow your head clean off...

The question is...Do you feel lucky???

Well do ya...punk!!!


36 posted on 04/26/2010 9:14:23 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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To: rlmorel

FoxNews has it...FWIW...


37 posted on 04/26/2010 9:15:20 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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To: stevie_d_64

I don’t watch any television news, to be honest, and that includes Fox. I actually don’t watch television either, but my wife and I were staying in a hotel in Phoenix, and that is the ONLY time I ever even look at television (since we don’t have cable at home, I only really check it out when staying in a hotel. Even then, it seems like a wasteland)

But even then, scanning the local news that night, there wasn’t a peep. I know if there was nothing there, it certainly wouldn’t be on any of the national evening news programs.

So, you saw this footage on Fox?


38 posted on 04/26/2010 9:20:26 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: rlmorel

Yeah, they’ve been playing a few video bytes off and on this morning...

Amazingly they have a couple of shots of the guys throwing waterbottles and other things at the police trying to shuffle the guy out of the area...

Obviously no arrests have been made...

And they still say the TEA Parties are violent...

What goes around comes around I say...

We will have the last laugh...


39 posted on 04/26/2010 9:26:11 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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To: Maelstorm

Well, in this case, the Muzzies pretty much hate everybody, so every crime they commit should be tried as a hate crime...


40 posted on 04/26/2010 10:22:02 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gov. Chris Christie (R) won the NJ-6 held by Rep. Frank Pallone (D) by a 15.5% margin!)
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And they still say the TEA Parties are violent...

Git your mind right, son...
The "Tea Party" atmosphere,
Led to this violence.

These poor Hispanics
Figured it's acceptable
Because we're so bad...

41 posted on 04/26/2010 10:28:28 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gov. Chris Christie (R) won the NJ-6 held by Rep. Frank Pallone (D) by a 15.5% margin!)
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To: stevie_d_64
That looks like the most powerful BB gun in the whole world, and could blow your head clean off...

Somehow I think not.

42 posted on 04/26/2010 11:54:49 AM PDT by Lee N. Field (Dispensational exegesis not supported by an a-, post- or historic pre-mil scholar will be ignored.)
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To: calex59

One of the most difficult animals to kill is a possum. I use my Crossman pump for that purpose. LOL Anything that can kill them can kill you as well. It is not a firearm in the sense that no powder firing takes place for propulsion of the ammo. It still can be a lethal weapon.


43 posted on 04/26/2010 12:55:54 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: seemoAR
That’s odd. The Red Rider BB Gun used compressed air. At least the one I had as a kid did. Working the lever pushed a piston compressing air which pushed the BB when the trigger was pulled.

True but "Only One Pump" though right? A pump "air rifle" can be pumped at least a dozen times for one round. Big difference in the actual force behind the BB. Next time you're out shopping look and see for yourself. BB guns are labeled BB Guns and air rifles are labeled air rifles. There is a difference and many people experienced in guns don't think about it.

44 posted on 04/26/2010 1:00:25 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Lee N. Field

Whoa...dude...


45 posted on 04/26/2010 5:48:04 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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To: cva66snipe
True but "Only One Pump" though right? A pump "air rifle" can be pumped at least a dozen times for one round. Big difference in the actual force behind the BB.

Not necessarily. The Red Ryder is a spring piston gun. The air is compressed at the moment of firing by a spring loaded piston. Your pump and CO2 guns operate on a different priciple -- gas is precompressed, held in a tank, and released at firing. Not necessarily any difference in power, though given its intended users, the Red Ryder is about as anemic as it comes.

When I started in on the airgun game, the good stuff was the high end piston guns. Now-a-days it seems most of the development is in compressed air. You can design higher power guns with compressed gas, and they aren't as hard on scopes.

46 posted on 04/26/2010 6:00:59 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("evangelicals don't know Torah well enough to be theonomists." --D. G. Hart)
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To: stevie_d_64
I would love to have a high powered compressed air rifle (like Mr. Quackenbush makes), though it would be for me mostly an interesting and unusual toy.

Talk about thread drift.

47 posted on 04/26/2010 6:07:07 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("evangelicals don't know Torah well enough to be theonomists." --D. G. Hart)
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To: cva66snipe

Is a rose still a rose if you call it a petunia? It doesn’t matter how many times you pump a BB gun. It’s still a air rifle that uses compressed air to propel the BB.

I have had guns for over 50 years. My first was a BB gun.


48 posted on 04/26/2010 6:20:29 PM PDT by seemoAR
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To: seemoAR
Is a rose still a rose if you call it a petunia? It doesn’t matter how many times you pump a BB gun. It’s still a air rifle that uses compressed air to propel the BB. I have had guns for over 50 years. My first was a BB gun.

I had BB guns as a kid. One pump and you could shoot about anything with it and not hurt it except possibly a bird. A Crossman 2100 will take out a possum in a tree. A standard BB gun will not do that. I can pump up the Crossman about a dozen times. A BB gun only once. I guarantee you if someone shoots you with one then the other same range you will in fact know and feel the huge difference between the two.

49 posted on 04/26/2010 8:03:56 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Lee N. Field

I have a Crossman 2100 I keep around for nuisance animanls. I’ve taken out about a half dozen possums up in a tree with it. I aim for their head. IIRC Daisy BB Guns are also spring loads. That is why you only cock it one time. That is what makes them BB guns and not true air rifles. Look on the labels. A pump or C02 will say air rifle. Spring loads will say BB gun.


50 posted on 04/26/2010 8:09:57 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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