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Are we going to allow Lt. Col Terry Lakin to go to prison?
Sioux Falls Conservative Examiner ^ | 4-26-10 | Lori Stacey

Posted on 04/27/2010 11:18:54 PM PDT by STARWISE

If you have been keeping up with the efforts of Americans across the country on the ineligibility issue of Obama, you will have undoubtedly heard about the serious situation involving Lt Colonel Terry Lakin. I had posted his video in a previous article.

The latest update as of this writing is that the US Army is going to proceed with a Court Martial against him. He has been reassigned to Walter Reed Army Medical Center but stripped of the right to practice medicine.

His computer has been seized. He was also on track to be promoted to full Colonel which of course has also been scrapped.

This gentleman has risked his entire military career on trying to finally settle the issue of an unlawful Commander In Chief, a Usurper according to our Constitution.

Are we as South Dakotans, are we as Americans going to just let an honorable man like this lose everything for standing up for the truth?

He is now facing the possibility of being sent to Ft. Leavenworth prison for seeking justice against overwhelming corruption of our political and judicial systems.

Everyone wants to keep making the issue more complicated than it is. There is no need of uncovering sealed documents to prove this case. There is no need of obtaining a real long-form birth certificate. These are all practically unobtainable distractions from the simple core facts.

It is what it is by virtue of not being born to TWO US citizens which he freely admits and is a requirement to be considered "Natural Born".

To back this definition up, the Constitution states that a person is ineligible for President if they are born with dual citizenship as they would have an allegiance to an additional country besides the United States.

There are now 2 different Supreme Court Justices that have gone on the record implying that either he is indeed ineligible to hold the office or acknowledging a concerted effort to cover this up by the US Supreme Court.

Justice Ginsburg has stated what Dr. Orly Taitz had made known a long time ago. In order to be considered a Natural Born Citizen, you must have been born of TWO US citizens in addition to the requirement of being born inside the United States or one of its official territories.

Justice Clarence Thomas has now admitted that the US Supreme Court has intentionally been "evading" the ineligibility issue of Presidents. This was broken in a story by World Net Daily which came out during Justice Thomas' testifying before a House subcommittee hearing. I have embedded the C-Span clip below. This serious issue is the laughing-stock of our Congress.

It is time to bring this issue to a logical conclusion. There have not been any REAL protests in America in many years. By this I mean, protests that do not end until a solution as been achieved. It is time to stand up and be heard. It is time to defend our Constitution before it becomes an official distant memory.

There is also another effort sponsored by Rev. James Manning and will be covered by American Grand Jury.

They are having a people's Grand Jury Trial May 14-19th against Columbia University and Obama regarding the alleged fraudulent degree perhaps issued by Columbia University while it is documented that he actually was working for a CIA front company and believed to have spent those years in Afghanistan. This trial is focused on this particular issue regarding possible fraud of Obama's reported history.

I am asking for help in setting up this effort in Sioux Falls and throughout the State of South Dakota. Please email me if you would like to help defend our Constitution by having the courage to stand up for what is right and peacefully defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

A rally where people go home in a few hours without any resolution or their voices really being heard has not accomplished anything except to be ridiculed and laughed at by the media, our Congress and this illegitimate Administration.

We need to have an ongoing peaceful protest until this matter is finally resolved. All members of Congress and the media are responsible for covering up this issue. It is up to us, We The People to finally make our stand.

Let us come together.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; courtmartial; eligibility; ginsburg; justicethomas; ltcterrencelakin; naturalborncitizen; obama
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I believe the author has inaccurately stated Ginsburg's opinion on the issue:

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Supreme Court Justice Ginsburg says her grandson born in Paris is a “natural born” citizen

My grandson was born in Paris of U.S. citizen parents. I had never considered him a naturalized citizen of the United States.

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I'm also not convinced that Justice Thomas' mentioned statement is an absolute reference to this issue

1 posted on 04/27/2010 11:18:54 PM PDT by STARWISE
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To: onyx; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...

~~Ping!


2 posted on 04/27/2010 11:19:49 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

Bump


3 posted on 04/27/2010 11:25:55 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: STARWISE

If convicted under the UCMJ then Leavenworth is where he belongs...


4 posted on 04/27/2010 11:26:32 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: STARWISE

If convicted, yes. He understood the risk. If we are to be a nation of laws, then the sentence must be carried out.

And yes, I believe Obama is a usurping turd that’s undeserving of a toilet. My hope is that all goes well in this instance, but if it doesn’t, the decision must be respected.


5 posted on 04/27/2010 11:40:24 PM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: STARWISE
How come nobody is concerned with whether Lakin is actually right or not?
6 posted on 04/27/2010 11:45:09 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: Americas last, best hope for survival.)
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To: montanajoe

yea, UCMJ is the end all and be all of justice...(sarc)


7 posted on 04/27/2010 11:47:29 PM PDT by ccruse456
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To: ccruse456

“yea, UCMJ is the end all and be all of justice”

If you are a soldier it is.


8 posted on 04/27/2010 11:54:46 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe

I knew you were one too. Even soldiers answer to a higher law, like their own consciences among others.


9 posted on 04/28/2010 12:00:08 AM PDT by ccruse456
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To: STARWISE

words will not defeat this current govt


10 posted on 04/28/2010 12:33:41 AM PDT by SF_Redux
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To: STARWISE

Them’s the rules of civil disobedience


11 posted on 04/28/2010 12:41:38 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: montanajoe
If you are a soldier it is.

Captain Alfred Dreyfus, please report back to Devil's Island!

12 posted on 04/28/2010 12:43:48 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: STARWISE
How could a Christian allow a man to be destroyed when he (Obama) could simply show his long form birth certificate?
13 posted on 04/28/2010 12:48:58 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Christians and Christian leaders should take this matter up and bring it straight to Obama and the MSM every chance they get.

Obama wants to call himself a Christian. Here is an easy opportunity to show it.

14 posted on 04/28/2010 12:51:06 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Good question.


15 posted on 04/28/2010 1:00:33 AM PDT by Just Lori (To take our country back, we need to take our party back. NO MORE RINOS!!)
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To: Beckwith; bgill; butterdezillion; bvw; conservativegramma; Danae; dennisw; El Gato; exit82; ...

NBC Ping


16 posted on 04/28/2010 1:01:11 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: STARWISE

this calls for more investigation...of the scam artist.


17 posted on 04/28/2010 1:27:51 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: montanajoe

I, as former Army will have to disagree with you.

The Army of today is nothing more than the politically correct arm of the Obama ‘Thugs’ and the Communist left!

They will ‘coddle’ a Uniformed Terrorist but Jump with both boots on a Soldier who ‘Dares’ question the validity of the Muslim in charge!

Everything about today’s military has been taken over buy forces that I consider evil and so .. I not only don’t recognize the Army that I once so proudly served .. I don’t recognize .. “Their Brand Of Justice Either”!

(The above does not necessarily apply to the GRUNTS)


18 posted on 04/28/2010 1:45:50 AM PDT by plinyelder ("I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: STARWISE

“...while it is documented that he actually was working for a CIA front company and believed to have spent those years in Afghanistan”
Is this article talking about obama in this sentence?
“I had never considered him a naturalized citizen of the United States.”
I guess it depends on the circumstances.


19 posted on 04/28/2010 2:51:32 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: STARWISE; pissant; P-Marlowe; jagusafr

LTC Lakin’s problem is that they can simply charge him with what they’ve charged — failure to obey a lawful order — and never need to give him access to the information he hoped would be revealed in order for him to conduct his defense.

The “why” he disobeyed is a moot point. They’ll simply focus on whether or not he obeyed....or indicated that he would not obey.

I feared this from the very beginning and someplace on FR is a post saying as much.

As with all deployment orders, his came through the CJCS, a duly appointed officer in charge of the US military. He can’t even point to the president’s name on those orders. Therefore, he’s standing in opposition to a superior officer appointed by CONGRESS, in an overseas operation approved by Congress, and Congress has the constitutional power to regulate the military, not the president.

I believe he made a tactical error, and now the issue is how to get out of it.

His safest course now that the deck is stacked against him is to claim duress due to combat fatigue/deployment stress and agree to obey the orders. His gambit failed.

We need to have this good man out of the military and preserved for another fight on another day.


20 posted on 04/28/2010 3:17:41 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: STARWISE

If they (correctly) filed a Consular Report of Birth for the kid born in France, then yes, he’s a US citizen at birth.


21 posted on 04/28/2010 4:29:51 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (There is no truth to the rumor that Ted Kennedy was buried at sea.....)
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To: NurdlyPeon

“How come nobody is concerned with whether Lakin is actually right or not?”

Please clarify your question.


22 posted on 04/28/2010 4:32:10 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: scott7278

“He understood the risk. If we are to be a nation of laws, then the sentence must be carried out.”

I’d rather live in a nation that does indeed have laws, but also a nation that mistrusts government, that is merciful toward well intended patriots, and that has congress members who take their oaths seriously enough to prevent this kind of madness.


23 posted on 04/28/2010 4:40:56 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: NurdlyPeon

“How come nobody is concerned with whether Lakin is actually right or not?”

He committed a hate crime against a black president. Understand? /sarc.

Michelle Obama: Kenya is Obama’s Home Country
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLDHDfPNBME

There’s the evidence.


24 posted on 04/28/2010 4:43:11 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: STARWISE

I doubt he’ll get prison time. He’ll be released from the service, lose his pension and his benefits, but I don’t think he’ll see the inside of Leavenworth.


25 posted on 04/28/2010 4:44:23 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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EVEN BOORTZ gets it now:

THE BIRTHER BILL, By Neal Boortz @ April 23, 2010 8:36
http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2010/04/the-birther-bill.html
The Arizona House legislature has passed, what is being dubbed, “the birther bill.” Essentially what it does is require that every presidential candidate that would like to appear on the ballot in 2012 must first produce a copy of his/her birth certificate.

Then I come to find out that the birther types aren’t resigned to just Arizona. They are here in my home-state of Georgia as well. We have Republican Rep. J. Mark Hatfield who introduced a bill modeled after the Arizona bill in the Goorgia legislature.

You mean this stuff hasn’t gone away yet? But ... at the risk of sounding like a “birther,” I do have one question .. and this question is born of a year of watching Obama at work; a year which has taught me that this man will do anything he thinks he can get away with to maintain and grow his power. I’ve watched him manipulate figures on unemployment and jobs creation. He’s lied about his tax policies. In his hyper-narcissistic world he can do no wrong. That just leads me to one question .. one question that has not been answered to my satisfaction: Has the State of Hawaii actually released a bona fide copy of a live birth certificate?

Are ABC, CBS, NBC, FactCheck, and N.Y. Times ‘birthers’ too?

McCain ‘birthers’: ABC, CBS, NBC, FactCheck, N.Y. Times
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=127362
Eligibility issue was huge in 2008 when Obama opponent was focus of attention

4 Supreme Court Cases define “natural born citizen”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2470873/posts
[In a roundabout way, the law is arguably Birther Too]

Vattel Cited: Records of the Federal Convention1787 (Natural Born Citizen)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2499410/posts

Arizona House OKs Birther Bill
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2496602/posts


26 posted on 04/28/2010 4:45:48 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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How the Media Lied about Obama’s Birth Records [A.I.M. nails it.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2495129/posts


27 posted on 04/28/2010 4:46:45 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: xzins

I think he may have a fighting chance on the issue of whether or not his order to deploy is lawful. If the war was a declared war authorized by an act of Congress, then whether or not Obama is eligible for the office would be irrelevant unless the specific order was signed by Obama.

OTOH, if the war is a continuation of a deployment of troops ordered by an ineligible president and not specifically authorized as a declared war by an act of Congress, then any deployment would, as a matter of law, be an illegal deployment, and by his oath as an officer, Larkin would have a duty to disobey that order. In this case Larkin is asking the military to confirm Obama’s eligibility before he deploys. I think such a request is not only reasonable, but it is essential.


28 posted on 04/28/2010 6:00:50 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: NurdlyPeon
Michelle Obama is on Lakins side.

According to her, Kenya is Baraks home country. That, for me, settled the issue.

If this man goes to prison, we need a you tube video to go viral. A split screen video of Lakin entering prison in handcuffs with Michelle stating Kenya is Obamas home country. We will email to everyone we know.

29 posted on 04/28/2010 6:04:08 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Berlin_Freeper
How could a Christian allow a man to be destroyed when he (Obama) could simply show his long form birth certificate?

When the man is on a self-destructive path then sometimes it's best to stay out of his way.

30 posted on 04/28/2010 6:04:10 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: P-Marlowe
OTOH, if the war is a continuation of a deployment of troops ordered by an ineligible president

Isn't this a continuation of a campaign started by an eligible President Bush?

31 posted on 04/28/2010 6:04:15 AM PDT by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: STARWISE
Yes
32 posted on 04/28/2010 6:07:35 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: P-Marlowe; jagusafr; blue-duncan; wmfights; Lady Jag; Forest Keeper; pissant

Congress authorized both offensive military actions. Neither are declared “wars”, but the Congress, and apparently by their silence, the Scotus, has recognized that Congress can authorize ongoing offensive military actions by other than formal declarations of war.

I’m assuming they see this as an update to the “letters of marque and reprisal” that the Constitution also sees as authorizations of offensive military actions on a “less than war” basis. In this case, the congressional authorizations of the Iraq and Afghan wars were unanimous or nearly so and actually date back to Sep 19, 2001.

I think LTC Lakin is best served by an appeal to post-deployment stress and the mercy of the court. He’s been end-arounded, and I don’t see him recovering. I also don’t want to see him hurt. He’s an American hero.

On the other hand, I was a career military chaplain and not a lawyer. Jagusafr, though, was a higher-level military lawyer. I’d really trust his judgment on this one.


33 posted on 04/28/2010 6:12:31 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Seq, I agree. Michelle Obama’s video keeps him out of prison.

If he loses his pension for this, I think he has rights to see all of Obamas documents in a civil case. I think a reasonable Judge and Jury would agree he would have standing.

This could unravel the presidency.

Its starting to look like a slow motion car wreck.


34 posted on 04/28/2010 6:26:41 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: MikefromOhio
If they (correctly) filed a Consular Report of Birth for the kid born in France, then yes, he’s a US citizen at birth.

Correct. I have both a British birth certificate as well as a U.S. Consulate report of birth overseas from when my father was station there in the U.S. Air Force.

Unlike Obama, I'm actually able to produce my documents.

35 posted on 04/28/2010 6:30:07 AM PDT by voicereason (I Don't Need SEX...I Get Screwed By Democrats Everyday!!!)
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To: ColdWater; xzins
Isn't this a continuation of a campaign started by an eligible President Bush?

IIRC, the authorizations for deployment are limited to 90 days unless specifically authorized by Congress. I don't know whether the authorization for continued deployment in Afghanistan had any time limitations or whether it was open ended. If it was open ended then it was effectively a declaration of war and Larkin is screwed. If it required a request for extention at any time since Obama became president then Larkin would have a valid reason to demand proof of eligibity before deployment. It all depends on whether this is still Bush's war or whether it is now Obama's war.

36 posted on 04/28/2010 6:32:06 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: PA-RIVER
Seq, I agree. Michelle Obama’s video keeps him out of prison.

Obama's video won't even enter in to it.

If he loses his pension for this, I think he has rights to see all of Obamas documents in a civil case. I think a reasonable Judge and Jury would agree he would have standing.

In order to establish standing he has to demonstrate a link between an action by Obama and his court martial. I doubt he'll be able to do that.

37 posted on 04/28/2010 6:36:31 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: P-Marlowe

Deployment orders are generally open-ended. Secty Gates set policy a few years ago saying that deployments for active duty ARMY troops (LTC Lakin is active duty) should be expected to be a total of 15 months with a guaranteed 12 months at a regular stateside or overseas garrison.

The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (Pub.L. 107-40, 115 Stat. 224, enacted September 18, 2001)

Introduction
Begun and held at the City of Washington on Wednesday, the third day of January, two thousand and one,

Joint Resolution

To authorize the use of United a States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

Whereas, on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens; and
Whereas, such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad; and
Whereas, in light of the threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by these grave acts of violence; and
Whereas, such acts continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States; and
Whereas, the President has authority under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
[edit] Section 1 - Short Title
This joint resolution may be cited as the ‘Authorization for Use of Military Force’.

[edit] Section 2 - Authorization For Use of United States Armed Forces
(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

(b) War Powers Resolution Requirements-

(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.
(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this resolution supercedes [sic] any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.


38 posted on 04/28/2010 6:39:36 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Has the State of Hawaii actually released a bona fide copy of a live birth certificate?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hopefully, this is a crack in the ice jam that is blocking the rest of the so-called “conservative media”. ( Would a large and small bowel analogy would be more appropriate?)

Boortz just can't stand get away with calling elected state legislators crazy birthers. These men and women are leaders in their communities, highly respected, successful, talented, intelligent, and many are **lawyers**. That's just too big of an elephant in the living room to continue to ignore.

But...If Boortz is sooooo smart, why didn't he ask this question two years ago? Why wait until now. Are his brain cells sclerotic?

Personally, I am DISGUSTED with Boortz, Rush, Beck, Hannity, OReilly, Coulter, Medved, Ingram and the rest! I will never trust them again.

Essentially, the so-called conservative media is selling a product. That product is trust, honesty, and integrity. Boortz, Rush, Hannity, when it came to Obama’s eligibility, failed to deliver on one of the most important constitutional questions of the last 100 years.

Some things are deal breakers. The so-called conservative media's behavior has been soooooo derelic and so abysmal that, for me, it is a permanent deal breaker.

Obama has scored a big time Alinsky win. Surely, I can't be the only conservative who will forever hold Rush, Beck, Hannity, Coulter, and Boortz in CONTEMPT!

39 posted on 04/28/2010 6:49:12 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: xzins; jagusafr; blue-duncan; wmfights; Lady Jag; Forest Keeper; pissant
Section 2 - Authorization For Use of United States Armed Forces (a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized....

OK, then, this is not a general authorization of war, but an authorization for THE PRESIDENT to use force. Therefore the current deployments are at the direction of Obama and any current deployment must be at the direction of the President.

I think this strengthens Lakin's position. The joint resolution merely passed the authorization to use force to the president and therefore if the president is not constitutionally eligible to be the president, then Lakin would not be constitutionally required to comply with the deployment orders.

The resolution may have been open ended, but the power to deploy any troops in combat in Afghanistan belongs only the president. The president must therefore be willing to prove his eligibility to deploy the troops before any officer should be required to comply. Officers give their oath of allegiance to the Constitution and not the president. Lakin is merely demanding proof that the orders are constitutional before he complies.

Maybe Obama is just hiding his BC in order to make guys like Lakin look like fools. But even fools are entitled to proof of the constitutionality of an order from the "president" before being placed in a position where they will be giving orders to their underlings that they must obey, orders which can put those under their command at risk of death.

40 posted on 04/28/2010 7:02:08 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: montanajoe

If he’s thrown under the bus without being allowed his defense, then the military will have shot themselves in the foot. The numbers of recruits will drop and others will be getting out as soon as they can because they could be the next Lakin who will be shut up. The powers that be need to wake up and realize this is not just about Lakin but about the honesty and integrity of the military itself. The country is quickly coming to a crisis. Which master will they serve? Will our military turn it’s back to this country’s citizens and the Constitution it should protect or is it going to bow down to a probable enemy within?


41 posted on 04/28/2010 7:05:31 AM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins

A court martial board is convened by military orders. Lakin’s defense says that all military orders given since Jan 2009 are illegal and not to be obeyed - which would include the orders forming the board.

He is asking them to decide a question they have no jurisdiction on: “Is Obama a natural born citizen qualified to be President?”

If Lakin had his way, the Board would find “All orders since Jan 2009 have been illegal. Thus the order forming this board is illegal, as are the orders for any serviceman to go anywhere and do anything...so since this is not a real court martial, and since none of us has real, binding orders, we’re all just going to go home and see what happens.”

Won’t happen.

If Lakin really had a problem with Obama being eligible, he should have resigned his commission. He didn’t, and now he’ll have to pay the piper. My guess is dismissal, but we’ll see.


42 posted on 04/28/2010 7:11:58 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers
Ok...So?...If Larkin is found guilty, does he then have access to the civilian court system?
43 posted on 04/28/2010 7:20:18 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

“Hopefully, this is a crack in the ice jam”

Amen!

Boortz is trying to ‘be the grown-up’, which has it’s place in politics I grudgingly suppose. He wants to stand ‘above the fray’. [yada-yada]. But since he’s simply calling for Obama to produce the BC, sounding perfectly reasonable, he’s one of us now, like it or not.

“That’s just too big of an elephant in the living room to continue to ignore.”

Yep!

” ... why didn’t he ask this question two years ago?”

[Biting my tongue ...] I’m a Boortz basher from way back. But if he steps toward us, I’ll take a step toward him.

“Personally, I am DISGUSTED with Boortz ... [etc]”

Coulter used to openly be a public freeper FRiend. Mark Levin gave us kudos last night. We keep losing allies.

Coulter actually converted me from being a McCarthy basher [Treason], and I was a die-hard evolutionist zealot until reading Godless. So I owe her a lot. She’s rock ribbed. As I understand it, Coulter was pressured into one remark about certifigate hawks [unless I missed something]. I was mad at Breitbart once for not supporting Palin enough. Guess what happened? I found out that Andrew is Breitbart — a freeper. I didn’t know. All he said was that he wants Palin to be the next Oprah.

“Some things are deal breakers.”

We’ve been making headway with conservative media. Back in the 90s, it was a lot worse than it is today. Sure, they talked about Vince Foster and Waco — that was about it. They caught ‘h’ for just that much.

Glenn Beck came out with a powerful expose last night, BTW. Hannity has been brave — like the FALN pardons [which will be important if Heritage is correct about the Peurto Rico vote]. And Ayers — very important.

Just my way of looking at it, FRiend.


44 posted on 04/28/2010 7:21:25 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: Mr Rogers

“Lakin’s defense says that all military orders given since Jan 2009 are illegal and not to be obeyed - which would include the orders forming the board.”

That’s what happens when congress ratifies someone unqualified.


45 posted on 04/28/2010 7:23:21 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: wintertime

The civilian court will review how the military court performed its duties. Even the Supreme Court has no desire to weigh in on the standard Congress and the States used in qualifying Obama...


46 posted on 04/28/2010 7:25:05 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers; xzins; jagusafr; blue-duncan; wmfights; Lady Jag; Forest Keeper; pissant
He is asking them to decide a question they have no jurisdiction on: “Is Obama a natural born citizen qualified to be President?”

That is a threshold question and as long as Obama is president he is obligated to prove his eligibility if so questioned. I think Lakin has a right to discovery on the issue, since his defense is predicated on nothing more than a request that the president prove he is legitimately authorized to give deployment orders and if he is denied the discovery and then convicted, then his conviction should be overturned.

If he were given an order by a General who refused to show him, when questioned, his commission, then he could not be convicted unless it were shown that the order came down from a person who had the authority to give that order. The constitutionality of any deployment by a president is contingent upon that person being eligible to hold the office.

Obama has an obligation to present ALL evidence of his eligibility before anyone has an obligation to obey any of is orders.

47 posted on 04/28/2010 7:25:37 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Non-Sequitur
I think a good lawyer can find a venue to sue over a service pension being withheld from an American born citizen by a Kenyan born citizen, as per his wifes recorded statements.

A little girl from Arkansas had much less standing than this man. Much less, just her word against against a Governor and then a US President. This man has a First Lady makeing public statements that support his position. He has Kenyan Government officals makeing public statements that support his position. He has US Senators openly questioning the presidents qualifications. Once a law suit is started, its like war. Theres no guarantee you will win or lose.

48 posted on 04/28/2010 7:27:58 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: P-Marlowe
If the war was a declared war authorized by an act of Congress, then whether or not Obama is eligible for the office would be irrelevant unless the specific order was signed by Obama.

Any orders that came from people appointed by Obama like the Secretary of the Army/Joint Chiefs, or Secretary of Defense would be illegal too since those individuals can only be appointed by a legal president. Also, any orders issued by officers who were promoted/given their commands or even their commissions by Obama would also be invalid if Obama is ineligible.

49 posted on 04/28/2010 7:34:00 AM PDT by old republic
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To: PA-RIVER
While I don't for a moment think Obama is a natural born citizen, Michelle Obama's comment is in no way "proof" of his being born in Kenya.

She's most likely saying that, because Obama considers himself an "African" American first and foremost (hating, as he does, the blood of his "white" mother), Kenya is his spiritual home and the home of his ancestors.

50 posted on 04/28/2010 7:35:24 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself... - D.H. Lawrence)
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