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Gov. Henry vetoes gun bill (OK version of FFA)
Claremore, OK Daily Progress ^ | April 27, 2010 | Sean Murphy (AP)

Posted on 04/28/2010 8:55:59 AM PDT by Still Thinking

OKLAHOMA CITY — Gov. Brad Henry on Tuesday vetoed a bill to exempt Oklahoma-made guns and ammunition from federal regulations, saying the measure would make it easier for criminals to obtain weapons and endanger citizens and law enforcement.

Similar to laws passed in at least four other states, the "Oklahoma Firearms Freedom Act" states that firearms, gun accessories or ammunition produced in Oklahoma would not be subject to interstate commerce laws and federal regulations if the items remain in the state. The bill does not apply to certain large firearms and exploding ammunition.

"I'm a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and have earned an 'A' rating from the NRA, but this legislation does nothing to protect an individual's right to bear arms," Henry, a Democrat, said in a statement. "It abolishes commonsense regulations like background checks and gives criminals easy access to a wide array of weapons. This law would harm Oklahomans, not protect them."

State Sen. Randy Brogdon, a Republican candidate for governor who authored the bill, called Henry's argument "absurd" and vowed to attempt an override of the veto. That would take a three-quarters majority in both the House and Senate.

"What the governor fails to grasp is that for years, anti-Second Amendment politicians have been attempting to use federal regulation as a way to prevent any law-abiding citizen from owning firearms," said Brogdon, R-Owasso. "My legislation would have stopped further federal attempts to erode our constitutional right to protect ourselves and our families."

Henry, who is barred by term limits from seeking re-election, also said the bill was certain to draw a legal challenge and result in a losing court battle.

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives prompted a court challenge in Montana, one of the first states to pass such a law, when it told all licensed gun dealers in the state last year that they were still bound by federal gun regulations. The Montana Shooting Sports Association and other pro-gun groups sued.

The U.S. Department of Justice has said in court filings that the Montana plaintiffs lack standing and that enactment of federal firearms laws are a valid exercise of congressional power to regulate commerce under the Constitution.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: 10a; 2a; banglist; ffa; firearmsfreedomact; lping; ok; secondamendment; statesrights; tenthamendment
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"It abolishes commonsense regulations like background checks and gives criminals easy access to a wide array of weapons. This law would harm Oklahomans, not protect them."

Bullcrap. Nothing in the law says OK can't have background checks if they want, just that the feds may not require them, since they have no jurisdiction. Nothing in the law says what the regulations may be, it just states the obvious that it should be a state legislative matter and not federal as there is no federal jurisdiction. Asshat.

1 posted on 04/28/2010 8:55:59 AM PDT by Still Thinking
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To: bamahead; ForGod'sSake; Joe Brower

Guns and freedom ping


2 posted on 04/28/2010 8:57:40 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

More override fodder!


3 posted on 04/28/2010 8:58:10 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

Zactly. I don’t know the composition of the OK state house in terms of (R) vs (D) or conservative vs meddling oxygen thief, but these laws are becoming so popular with legislatures and the public it wouldn’t surprise me if they mustered enough votes for an override.


4 posted on 04/28/2010 8:59:35 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

Whatta dork.


5 posted on 04/28/2010 8:59:47 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR.......Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: Still Thinking

Can the legislature override his veto?


6 posted on 04/28/2010 8:59:49 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: Still Thinking

That’s what you get when you elect a Democrat for governor. Tow the party line, screw the constits.


7 posted on 04/28/2010 9:01:32 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Still Thinking

Hmmm, standard RAT behavior.

We’ll have special prisons for all of them following the revolution.

I’m looking for old pre-blueprint blueprints of the Bastille so that we can keep these slime in the environment they deserve.


8 posted on 04/28/2010 9:01:43 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Still Thinking

A Democrat, wouldn’t you know it.

I just looked him up on Wikipedia, and found two very interesting items:


In the 2002 election for governor, Henry defeated former Republican Congressman Steve Largent, an NFL Hall of Famer, by just over one-half of one percent in a race that also included Independent candidate Gary Richardson, a retired Federal Prosecutor. Henry received 448,143 votes (43.27%) to Largent’s 441,277 votes (42.61%). Richardson, a former republican candidate, received 146,200 votes (14%).

[snip]

Henry is pro-choice and has vetoed legislation to mandate ultrasound viewings prior to abortion procedures.

[snip]

On May 27, 2004, Governor Brad Henry issued Executive Order 04-21, which created the Governor’s Ethnic American Advisory Council. [7] The Ethnic American Advisory Council then published an English translation of the Qur’an embossed with the Oklahoma State seal [8] which was then distributed to 149 Oklahoma state legislators. There were 35 lawmakers who declined to accept the copy of the Qur’an that they were offered. [9] After refusing the copy of the Qur’an, Republican State Representative Rex Duncan wrote a letter to his colleagues explaining, “Most Oklahomans do not endorse the idea of killing innocent women and children in the name of ideology.” Further, Duncan said during a TV interview “I think it was inappropriate that they used a state centennial seal on a religious item.”


That’s what you get when a spoiler runs on a third party line and throws the election to a DEMOCRAT.


9 posted on 04/28/2010 9:03:35 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Freddd
Can the legislature override his veto?

Apparently it takes 3/4 which in OK's house would be 36-12, but they did today override a veto on an anti-abortion bill, which shows that there are enough senators more conservative than the governor to override him on at least some issues, and willing to do so via a veto as well. Sometimes legislators will vote for a bill but not for a veto override, but apparently they have enough at the moment if the issue is right.

10 posted on 04/28/2010 9:03:40 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Da Coyote

I’m thinking more like that rolling wheel thing with the spikes on the inside.


11 posted on 04/28/2010 9:04:20 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

Just make the liberal overlords personally obey and follow ALL the rules they have pushed upon the rest of us;that would be horrible punishment !


12 posted on 04/28/2010 9:09:28 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Still Thinking
saying the measure would make it easier for criminals to obtain weapons

Hey Governor Dumbass! The criminals already have guns!!

13 posted on 04/28/2010 9:10:43 AM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: Still Thinking
"I'm a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and have earned an 'A' rating from the NRA..."

I wonder if this action will affect the Gov's NRA rating?

It seems this rating might not mean much.

14 posted on 04/28/2010 9:11:41 AM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: hoosierham

Actually I’ve always thought that before any law or regulation is imposed on the gainfully employed (that would be us), the imposing level of government, whether federal or a state, should have to live with the restrictions in even more restrictive form, say DOUBLE strength, for two years. If it’s a good thing that should be enough time to demo it. If they can’t live with it double and repeal it before the end of the two years, we shouldn’t even have to live with it at normal strength.


15 posted on 04/28/2010 9:12:01 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: TChris
It seems this rating might not mean much.

It doesn't. The NRA is too dim to realize that any 'passing grade' they give a Dem is an endorsement of Nancy Pelosi for Speaker Of The House.

L

16 posted on 04/28/2010 9:13:36 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker
Exactly. Don't forget about all of the anti-gun legislation the NRA wrote because they figured it would be "better" than if someone else wrote it.

I bought another membership during Heller (and renewed; I'm current) because it seemed like the NRA was the only gun rights org that was actually providing lawyers etc.

But, I am begining to think they play both sides of the fence in order to perpetuate their existence.

I will probably allow this membership to expire and then donate to GOA.

17 posted on 04/28/2010 9:20:17 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Still Thinking

From Wiki: In the 52nd Legislature (2009–2011), the Republicans control the House of Representatives (61 to 40) and the Senate (26 to 22) for the first time in state history.

Affiliation Members
Republican Party 61
Democratic Party 40
Seat Vacant 0
Total 101

The Oklahoma Senate
Affiliation Members
Republican Party 26
Democratic Party 22
Seat Vacant 0
Total 48


18 posted on 04/28/2010 9:22:39 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Repeat Offender

Join NRA (but don’t contribute extra when asked four times a week) because the NRA membership numbers are how Washington gauges the number of politically active gun owners. Then join SAF and GOA because they’re the true, uncompromising tripwires that outs all this stuff.


19 posted on 04/28/2010 9:23:00 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Oatka

Thanks. Did you see they overrode the abortion ultrasound veto? That bodes well for this one too, I hope.


20 posted on 04/28/2010 9:24:31 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking
Good idea.... I don't give them money on their IMMINENT DANGER requests for money.

I had a hard enough time justifying my membership renewal.

I think GOA needs to advertise more. NRA has name recognition, but GOA has a harder stance.

I think if GOA had more members (and kept the same stance) they would have the funds and could be what the NRA is supposed to.

21 posted on 04/28/2010 9:35:38 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Repeat Offender

Exactly.


22 posted on 04/28/2010 9:39:05 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Repeat Offender

If GOA had four million members, Washington would be crapping their pants! I like it!


23 posted on 04/28/2010 9:39:42 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

The bill originally passed the Oklahoma House: 81-14 and the Senate 39-3. It looks like an override is possible.


24 posted on 04/28/2010 10:12:18 AM PDT by shadowfighter
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To: shadowfighter; Tax-chick

You’re not going to believe what was posted on another paper’s website about the possibility of an override of this veto. This almost comprehensible sentence:

“Legislators this week overrode two anti-abortion measures. Each of those vetoes required a three-fourths majority.”

...meaning, of course, that the legislature PASSED the bills, which the governor then VETOED, and the subsequent override of the VETO required a 3/4 majority in the legislature. J-Screwl grads, sheesh.


25 posted on 04/28/2010 11:36:48 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

Journalism, like education, seems to attract the lowest-aptitude students.


26 posted on 04/28/2010 11:39:12 AM PDT by Tax-chick (There's a perfectly good island somewhere.)
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To: Still Thinking
Wow. I are one. But, that may be the baddest sentence that I have read in a long time.
27 posted on 04/28/2010 11:40:48 AM PDT by shadowfighter
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To: shadowfighter

“That’s write, I bad, I a J-School grad!”


29 posted on 04/28/2010 11:42:50 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking; Admin Moderator

Oops. Wrong thread, please delete.


30 posted on 04/28/2010 11:44:02 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: shadowfighter
Wow. I are one.

But YOU can compose a coherent sentence that doesn't sound like the opposite of what it's trying to say. Are you sure you're in the right profession?

31 posted on 04/28/2010 11:49:07 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

Thanks Still Thinking! Looks like the OK legislature has a little more work left to finish the job. Even odds they override. Taking bets???


32 posted on 04/28/2010 12:45:46 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Maybe better than even. The original bill passed by a veto-proof majority (though I know some legislators will refrain from voting for an override on a bill they voted for), plus just today they overrode two vetoes on anti-abortion bills that this governor vetoed.


33 posted on 04/28/2010 12:47:51 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

Thanks. I don’t practice it professionally, which probably accounts for what little writing ability I have.


34 posted on 04/28/2010 7:29:33 PM PDT by shadowfighter
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To: bamahead; ForGod'sSake; Joe Brower; Shooter 2.5

The [Oklahoma state] Senate on Wednesday failed to override the governor’s veto of a measure that says firearms made and kept in Oklahoma would not be subject to federal regulations.

In a vote of 28-16, a motion to override Gov. Brad Henry’s veto failed.

Sen. Randy Brogdon, R-Owasso, made the motion and says he’ll continue trying to bypass the governor for the approval of Senate Bill 1685.

Because the bill has an emergency clause, it needed 36 votes or two-thirds of the full Senate to successfully override the governor’s veto. There was no debate on the bill.

A similar measure passed the House on Wednesday without an emergency clause and now heads to the governor.

Because the measure doesn’t have an emergency clause, it would only need 32 votes to successfully override a veto.

“I’m going to ask my Democrat friends to help me protect Second Amendment Rights, rather than the governor and his personal agenda,” Brogdon said.

Read more: http://newsok.com/article/3459196#ixzz0nICtKRff


35 posted on 05/07/2010 5:22:15 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

Well well, what a revoltin’ development! I can’t imagine Oklahoma Pubbies going wobbly. Reckon whahappen???


36 posted on 05/07/2010 6:19:43 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Well well, what a revoltin’ development! I can’t imagine Oklahoma Pubbies going wobbly. Reckon whahappen???

Sometimes legislators that will vote for a bill won't vote for an override. Or could be some Dems voted for the bill, knowing he'd override, so they could tell their conservative constituents they "voted for the bill but the governor vetoed it". OTOH, the legislature did override vetoes of a couple of anti-abortion bills last week, so they will do it if the issue is right. Maybe the governor's full court press in the press swayed a couple wobblers. I'll have to check the roll calls on both votes to figure out what happened.

37 posted on 05/07/2010 10:53:06 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

The 75% threshold for the veto (36/48) is that high because it was an emergency measure which would have taken effect immediately. There is a non-emergency version of the measure passing out of the legislature, and that one will only take 32 votes to override the inevitable veto. Now I realize they only got 28 votes for the override this time, so that might not seem to matter, but it looks like there were four absences or abstentions, so if those four are for it, and/or they can sway back a couple of those that buckled, there’s still a chance. And even if they don’t make it, I think Brogdon, the bill’s sponsor wants to run for governator, and he might could use this as a stick to beat the commie that currently holds the office.


38 posted on 05/07/2010 10:56:45 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking
I suppose the machinations will be revealed in due time...

And even if they don’t make it, I think Brogdon, the bill’s sponsor wants to run for governator, and he might could use this as a stick to beat the commie that currently holds the office.

I think Brogdon and a couple of others are jockeying for the job but Henry(D) the current gov, can't run again. Gotta wonder why he would defend this hill but he may have his eye on something else in a year or two. Not likely he'll get very far in Oklahoma, especially in the present political climate.

39 posted on 05/07/2010 11:13:20 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: Still Thinking; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; ...



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40 posted on 05/08/2010 7:15:37 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Henry(D) the current gov, can't run again. Gotta wonder why he would defend this hill but he may have his eye on something else in a year or two. Not likely he'll get very far in Oklahoma, especially in the present political climate.

Probably looking to move to the Nazi, er National Socialist, er national stage.

Talking about types of legislation and override margins, I wonder why they even passed the emergency version, knowing they had a pantywaist Democrat for a governor. Their failure to override weakens them politically. Without being familiar with OK politics or the parties involved, it seems like it would have been smarter to go with the non-emergency version in the first place.

BTW, did you see the PBS special on guns last night? It wasn't as bad as you'd expect. They actually asked some reasonable questions to the open carry and gun-rights activists they talked to, and not just stuff like "when did you quit beating your wife". A reporter is SUPPOSED to be a little skeptical and make the guy defend his positions, and they weren't over the top, although they were occasionally overcome by their statist bias too much to hide or work around it. They were incredulous, for example, when they were talking to an advocate of flyers being armed. He said 9/11 would have turned out a lot better than it did if the passengers had been. It went back and forth a couple times, and the interviewer did the old trick of coming across doubtful and skeptical but not saying anything other than repeating the question in the form of "So you really think..." and trying to prod the interviewee into talking too much and sticking his foot in his mouth. People hate dead air and will keep talking as long as you let them. I was proud of the guy though. He made his point and shut up, which left the interviewer looking like a dork, because he was still trying to pull the skeptical thing, and the subject wasn't talking.

Now despite my description, overall the interviews with the pro-rights people and the accompanying voiceovers weren't as bad as you'd expect. Where I did find more bias was when they interviewed the gun-control activists, including Mayor Bloomingidiot. They lobbed softball questions, and accepted any lies, gross exaggerations, and "true" statements based upon tortured definitions of words as holy writ. Very unobjective. Much worse than the interviews with the pro-rights guys.

41 posted on 05/08/2010 8:45:23 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking
"I'm a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and have earned an 'A' rating from the NRA, but this legislation does nothing to protect an individual's right to bear arms," Henry, a Democrat, said in a statement. "It abolishes commonsense regulations like background checks and gives criminals easy access to a wide array of weapons. This law would harm Oklahomans, not protect them."

Wow. An "A" rating from the almighty NRA, and he grabs a line right out of the Brady Bunch handbook when the chips are down.

So how is it you all are electing Democrats in flyover paradise? Seriously, I don't want to hear another crack about "RINOs" in NJ or MA. Clean up your own backyard first.

Oh, and I be the NRA gives him another "A" next election cycle.

42 posted on 05/08/2010 8:53:33 AM PDT by dbwz (DISSENT IS PATRIOTIC)
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To: dbwz
"It abolishes commonsense regulations like background checks and gives criminals easy access to a wide array of weapons. This law would harm Oklahomans, not protect them."

Wow. An "A" rating from the almighty NRA, and he grabs a line right out of the Brady Bunch handbook when the chips are down.

And he's full of crap anyway. The FFA's don't say "The state may not require background checks even if the state decides it's a good idea", but "Intrastate commerce is NONE of Congress' business, and they may not regulate it, including for example requiring NICS checks on firearms purchased and used intrastate."

43 posted on 05/08/2010 8:58:12 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking
It went back and forth a couple times, and the interviewer did the old trick of coming across doubtful and skeptical but not saying anything other than repeating the question in the form of "So you really think..." and trying to prod the interviewee into talking too much and sticking his foot in his mouth. People hate dead air and will keep talking as long as you let them. I was proud of the guy though. He made his point and shut up, which left the interviewer looking like a dork, because he was still trying to pull the skeptical thing, and the subject wasn't talking.

I missed it but you make some keen observations. I gather salesmen, barristers and journalists amongst others receive similar training for dealing with a "mark". The really talented ones also have the instincts of predator. And unless one also has the instincts of a cat or has had some fairly intensive training of some kind to deal with these types, it's often a lop-sided affair. Going up against the better ones in any of these categories is akin to getting caught up in a spider web; the more you struggle, the worse it gets.

BTW, in case you missed it, the limp wristed anderson cooper put on a disgusting display when interviewing Col. Lakin and his attorney:


44 posted on 05/08/2010 9:43:57 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: cowboyway
I look forward to the day I might own a fine gun backed with the famous “Oklahoma Guaranty” . How it got out of there will forever be a secret to avoid the invocation of the dreaded commerce clause .
45 posted on 05/08/2010 10:32:50 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Once you learn the trick, not only are you immune to it yourself, you can use it on other people. When you’re negotiating something and someone makes their offer, don’t respond immediately. Then, in an instinct to prevent dead air, they’ll keep talking and often tip their hand to what their top/bottom dollar is.


46 posted on 05/08/2010 11:03:00 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: ForGod'sSake
BTW, in case you missed it, the limp wristed anderson cooper put on a disgusting display when interviewing Col. Lakin and his attorney.

I did miss it. I'll check out the video. Normally, I'd never watch Anderson Pooper but then again, normally I'd never watch a news program on PBS like that gun special, either. For some reason, it was actually the most interesting thing on last night, believe it or don't.

47 posted on 05/08/2010 11:14:24 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking
Bullcrap

He's a (D) party stooge, they aren't exactly known for their ability to form rational thoughts.

Odds are good if it were explained to him exactly how you would explain it to a 5 year old, including pictures and maybe even a song or two, he'd get it. Eventually.

Until then, he's little more than a an angry child in a big chair who lacks a sound education. Treat him as such and override his tantrum, er, veto.
48 posted on 05/08/2010 11:21:53 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: Cicero

Unfortunately, Largent ran a very poor campaign, too.


49 posted on 05/09/2010 9:10:57 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: ForGod'sSake

Brogdon is the true conservative in the race, but Mary Fallin is the establishment, party choice and it looks as if she has it sown up. It disgusts me, but that’s the way it is. She can’t speak for more than 10 minutes without whining about how difficult it has been for her as a single mother (she’s married now). Blech, what a zero.


50 posted on 05/09/2010 9:13:20 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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