Skip to comments.(Vanity question) Aren't "green cards" considered "papers"?
Posted on 04/28/2010 11:10:41 AM PDT by Texas Eagle
I heard a caller tell Rush Limbaugh that he was a Green Card holder and that when he received his card he also received a packet of information which contained instructions for him to have his Card with him at all times.
So, my question is: Isn't the Obama administration guilty of Nazi like tactics also?
I heard Rush Limbaugh say that Lifelock was the bomb.
He also spoke highly of Sleep Number beds.
Have you posted threads about those things?
Every time I ever got pulled over by a traffic cop I was asked for my papers - ususlly referred to as my license.
Every time I am pulled over by a cop he asks me for three papers; license, registration and proof of insurance.
No, it is hate speech to accuse him of any similarities to policies instituted by the Nazis. But the media and White House are perfectly permitted to draw the same comparisons between Arizona law and Nazi policies.
You can't spell Nazi without AZ.
My husband used to have a green card. He was never instructed to carry it at all times. We did have to produce it for his employers. Of course, this was years ago, and now he’s naturalized...but once you’re naturalized, you have no “card” to prove legal status other than your naturalization certificate, which is big, bulky, and fragile (we safeguard his so it doesn’t get destroyed.)
If someone walked up to you right now and said “Prove your’e a citizen”...how would you do that? Do you carry papers on you that would prove you’re a citizen? I think a voter’s ID or birth certificate is the closest thing we have to that, but many people don’t carry those with them.
When I went to renew my driver’s license (which had not yet expired) I had to go in person because even though they had my social security number on file (required for all men to prove they are not deadbeat dads in Texas), they had to physically SEE my SS card AND I think they also needed more documentation (passport or birth certificate I think).
And our president doesn’t have to show squat.
Consider this when he speaks out against AZ and papers. Arizona also recently passed a law to require proper paperwork to get on the ballot in 2012.
>>If someone walked up to you right now and said Prove youre a citizen...how would you do that?<<
Pull my social security card out of my wallet.
When I travel abroad, something I do quite often, I am required to carry my passport. I do not have the same rights as the citizens of the country of which I am a guest. In many countries upon entering I must state where I will be staying, the purpose of my visit, when I will be leaving, how much cash I am traveling with and other inquiries that I may feel are intrusive.
A license doesn’t prove citizenship...every state has different requirements, and some are so weak that an illegal can get a driver’s license, as well as own a car and get insurance.
Show my genuine, state issued ID? Is this a trick question?
I had to present my birth certificate to get my DL. Do they just give them out in your state with no documentation?
I don’t carry mine, but if they are going to enforce this law, then they need to set down specific parameters as to what will “prove” legal status. I know people can be here legally, and still not have a social security card. My next door neighbor is German, he’s here legally, but doesn’t have a green card, or a SSnumber. So there is going to have to be some sort of specification as to what proves you’re legal and what doesn’t.
A man from the Social Security office briefed my preretirement Transition Assistance Program class.
He said your social security card should be kept in a safe place and not in your wallet. It's a valuable tool for identity theft. If someone were to steal your wallet you might be in a world of hurt!
I was a green card holder from the age of 5 until about 33.
That is correct. You ARE REQUIRED by LAW to have your green card on your person at all times, starting at the age of 18.
You used to have to also report your current address every year, but that is no longer required.
New Mexico issues drivers licenses to illegal immigrants.
They just now started making strict rules in Florida...so no, I didn’t have to show my birth certificate when I got mine years and years ago. I haven’t shown up at a DMV for years either, I’ve renewed by mail. I did have to show proof of residency, but anyone could have that.
Each state sets their own rules, I think NC has the easiest rules to get a driver’s license. Check it out, you don’t need a birth certificate.
Don’t be an idiot.
My foreign wife has a social security card. It looks just like mine with a different name and number.
She's not a citizen, only a permanent resident. In fact, she received her SS card when she was only a conditional resident.
I used to be a green card holder
on the card which is pink by the way it states that I had to carry it everywhere I went when I left the house
now when bozo and the far left say they can just come up to you which is false and then say they will ask for papers then that is true.
because fed law makes it so .
now if the rats and bozo does not like this then I suggest they change federal law and state to the public how thye will now get rid of immigration cards and laws
(e) Personal possession of registration or receipt card; penalties
Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.
No. Would it bother you if I did?
If so, I'll get right on it.
I heard Rush Limbaugh say that Lifelock was the bomb. He also spoke highly of Sleep Number beds. Have you posted threads about those things?
No. Would it bother you if I did? If so, I'll get right on it.
SS card and a DL will do it.
Shouldn't EVERYTHING that he says be immortalized?
That requirement predates the Obama administration by a number of years.
8 usc 1304 (e)
(e) Personal possession of registration or receipt card; penalties Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.
When I was young I remember an ad on TV reminding all resident aliens in the US to report to the Post Office once a year.
I carried my green card at all times and showed it when asked
so this new thing about stopping ans asking was already ahppening it is AZ who said they will enforce the law in their state and now the rats are saying it seems that they are for those who break the law
HEY GOP YOU HEAR THIS MAKE AN AD AND INFORM THE DEMOCRATS THAT THEIR PARTY STANDS FOR THOSE BREAKING THE LAW
Get the rats on record and make AD’s to show their voters and show how they are giving up America to intimidation, and thuggery
As a point of factual accuracy, neither a DL nor a SS card reference anyone's citizenship status, or immigration status. Both can be, and frequently are, obtained absent citizenship. In some states, they may be obtained absent legalized residency
Green Card Holders do have to carry the green cards on them at all times, but they usually only show them to Immigration Officials & State Department.
The Difference in Ben’s scenario, he was doing something that caught the cops attention & driving is a privileged not a right.
But the Arizona law allows a cop to stop any person and demand proof of citizenship. A driver’s license isn’t proof of legality. A social security number isn’t proof of legality (and quite easy to forge). A birth certificate is easy to forge (to paraphrase a t-shirt “Sure Officer, all Maine Birth Certificates are written in crayon). To prove legality you would need to carry around a valid US Passport.
And here’s the thing, you might think you are “OK” but the cops are going to have to have the racial numbers balance out. They’ll be stopping more white people. And they’ll be taking in more white people who don’t have the appropriate ID.
My naturalized husband has a LEGAL driver’s license, which is easily checked on the DMV computers...
This is an interesting question. The federal government opened the door to this with Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004), where the Supremes held that, during the course of an investigation (which would include a routine traffic stop), the police where within their right to ask for ID from the person they’ve stopped. They can also detain such a person if no ID is provided, pursuant to making a positive ID.
In my state (IN) a birth certificate or passport in addition to an out of state license are required. I believe they will accept a green card, but note such on the license.
This site 3 paragraph down says they are to carry papers at all times or it will be a misdeamenor.
Current Federal Law:
(e) Personal possession of registration or receipt card; penalties Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section.
Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.
That's how it works in the two states I live, OH & FL (I think FL). But, from what I understand, there are several states that issue DLs to illegals.
Also, residency is not necessarily a requirement for obtaining a SS card. There are some situations where someone in the country illegally could be in legal possession of a SSN. I have been told that these cars look different than normal cards. But, I don't know independently, if this is accurate.
I guess a NM license wouldn’t do then.
20 FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
Allows them to stop them "FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT" not just on a whim.
Those would do it, but as was mentioned in a previous post, a DL doesn’t prove anything (some states do not require birth certificats or proof of citizenship), and people aren’t encouraged to carry their SS card with them...we keep ours in a strong box. In fact the gov’t sites tell you not to carry your SS card with you. From the SS site in answer to the question is it legal to laminate my SS card:
No it is not illegal, but its best not to laminate your card. Laminated cards make it difficult, if not impossible, to detect important security features and an employer may refuse to accept it.
The Social Security Act requires the Commissioner of Social Security to issue cards that cannot be counterfeited. We incorporate many features that protect the cards integrity. That includes highly specialized paper and printing techniquessome visible to the naked eye and some not. Further, we continue to actively explore and adopt new technologies that hamper duplication.
Keep your Social Security card in a safe place with your other important papers. Do not carry it with you.
I had to show my BC in Texas years ago.
Your neighbor must be here on a German Passport with a US issued Visa.
The term "for any lawful contact" is so overly broad, it's effectively meaningless.
Yes he’s legal, and yes he has those documents, I’m sure, but he doesn’t carry them with him. And that’s my point, they’re going to have to lay down specifics as to what a person should carry with them in order to prove they’re legal. Say they have a NC driver’s license, well that proves nothing. In a previous link, I posted the requirements for a NC license and you don’t need a birth certificate. It’s just so ambiguous, the talk of “papers”...they’ll have to set down specifics.
Since the attacks on September 11, 2001, Virginia has really toughened up their license requirements. Now you are required to provide your long form birth certificate if you want a driver’s license. I believe existing license holders are grandfathered, but my wife, who moved here from Michigan had to provide her choice of a long form birth certificate or U.S. Passport.
Now Virginia has switched to these high-tech licenses. They are ugly but supposedly are more tamper proof with regard to faking.
Did I hear that Texas is now going to require a copy of your birth certificate before you can next renew your drivers license?
Unless of course, you’re a Kenyan posing as the President.