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Prepping for the worst
Lancaster Online ^ | April 25, 2010 | John Rutter

Posted on 04/28/2010 6:13:34 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie

"Candles and wood."

It's Deb Giffin's mantra.

The Manor Township woman doesn't want to give up her dishwasher or her fridge.

But, she said, disaster could strike. Civilization shouldn't count on always having those cushy things. So she's laying away supplies for a rainy day.

She's started to fill the pantry of her suburban home with canned pineapple juice, beans and high-energy snacks.

She has fastened a large kerosene lamp to the wall of her living room. She has hand tools galore, a fireplace and bundles of wood from a home-improvement store.

She has an emergency pack in case she needs to clear out.

"I have flashlights that are the crank style" and don't need batteries, said Giffin, 54.

She also has plenty of company.

Emergency preparedness is growing into an American subculture that some adherants claim is bigger than the tea party movement.

Giffin and others share gardening and survival tips on blogs like The Survival Mom. They belong to groups such as the American Preppers Network, launched 16 months ago by 32-year-old Idaho truck driver Tom Martin.

The thousands of daily hits on americanpreppersnetwork.com will cease, of course, if there's a monster storm or economic collapse. But one goal of prepping is to get society ready for such events.

The message isn't always welcome, as Giffin knows.

"My daughter busts on me about being a doomsday person," Giffin said. Giffin contends she's just being practical.

Either way, the prepper demographic contrasts starkly with the secretive, backwoods bunker survivalists of the 1970s and '80s.

Some preppers are hunters and back-to-the-land types, to be sure. Some live on ranches and farms. But many others reside in cities and suburbs, said Kathy Harrison, a western Massachusetts woman who has written a preparedness guide called "Just in Case."

The prepper world is diverse, embracing concerns about energy use, personal health, overconsumption and waste.

"This is no longer sort of the crazy man out in the cave someplace dining on bats' wings and frogs' eyeballs," Harrison said.

Socking stuff away

Harrison for example, describes herself as a middle-aged woman with "a minivan and a pile of kids" and a backyard swimming pool. "We're just people," she says.

But what makes otherwise ordinary folks start packing away sterile gauze pads and tinned meat?

People who become preppers often already have a self-sufficiency mindset, said Art Markman, a University of Texas cognitive psychologist who tracks the preparedness movement.

Calamities such as Hurricane Katrina and the Wall Street meltdown stoke that impulse because they stir doubt about whether government can handle the mess, Markman wrote in an e-mail.

"When trust erodes," according to Markman, "people want to take over more ... basic responsibilities for themselves. People who feel like they are taking care of their own needs are decreasing the anxiety caused by mistrust."

Hollywood has picked up on the mood with recent post-apocalyptic movies such as "The Road" and "The Book of Eli."

"We're realizing how spoiled we are," Deb Giffin said.

Giffin said self-reliance comes second nature to her because she's a single mother of three, and because she grew up on a remote Berks County farm that lacked indoor plumbing until she was 6.

With five brothers and three sisters, she noted, "I always grew up wanting for something."

Her job in the electric utility industry has shown her the vulnerabilities of the power grid, Giffin added.

Recent stories about solar flares and electromagnetic pulse bombs that could supposedly destroy communications networks have put her more on edge, she said.

Now, she's convincing friends and family to become more independent —slowly.

She said her younger daughter, Jennifer Derr, asked at one point " 'What's a screwdriver?' She does at least check her oil now."

Her older daughter, Leslie Egiziano, created The Maven Club, a local self-help group, Giffin added.

Building a prepper nation is a guiding principle of the movement, according to Martin and Harrison.

They both live in rural areas, grow their own food and could live without the grid indefinitely.

But what if some catastrophe undermines law and order?

Harrison said she has no intention of taking up arms, "Mad Max" style: "I'm the first person in the stew pot, I know that. I can't fend off a gang of mutant zombie bikers."

She won't have to, she added, because her neighbors are already on the same self-reliant page.

Whether this ethic is infinitely adaptable to the nation's neighborhoods is an open question.

Markman lauds backyard chicken raising. And he says personal fitness and health care awareness are especially sensible.

"I think that recognizing that things can go wrong ... is a good thing," he said.

However, he added, "I think that, in general, people underestimate the complexity of really doing everything yourself."

Martin said he has no warm, fuzzy illusions about what would happen if political and economic systems should fail.

"I doubt if you'd get a Utopian society out of it." On the other hand, he said, "if a disaster comes through and nobody's prepared, your instinct cuts in and it's a fight for survival."

That's just the kind of scenerio Giffin wants to avoid, especially for her children.

And so she keeps on socking stuff away. And she keeps on trying to motivate other people to become preppers.

"If something big happens," she said, "I think people are going to have to realize they're going to have to get along a lot better than they are now."


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1 posted on 04/28/2010 6:13:34 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; Blue Jays; ...

Ping to Preparedness/Survival list members.

Email me if you’d like to be added.


2 posted on 04/28/2010 6:14:20 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (God to Obama: Don't think I'm not keepin' track. Brother.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

Absolutely. Thanks for the post. We made out pretty well with the April sales for the Ready store. We’ve got a nice stash prepared should something bad happen. More than 3 months and I’d probably be inclined to put my fluent Portuguese and Spanish for the test long term.


3 posted on 04/28/2010 6:16:29 PM PDT by Caipirabob
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To: Caipirabob
and I’d probably be inclined to put my fluent Portuguese and Spanish to the test for the long term.

Probably ought to work on the English stuff as well.

4 posted on 04/28/2010 6:17:44 PM PDT by Caipirabob
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To: ChocChipCookie
"canned pineapple juice, beans ..."

Is she gonna make Hawaiian music?

5 posted on 04/28/2010 6:18:12 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: ChocChipCookie
I recommend that one stocks a lot of liquor. Not only does liquor have good shelf life but it will be a very marketable commodity in time of crisis. Also portable and great for trade and such.

A good component of a survival kit would be 144 cases of corn whiskey, 12 cases fine wine, and as much tequila and vodka you can get your hands on.

6 posted on 04/28/2010 6:20:14 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 114 days away from outliving Francis Gary Powers)
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To: ChocChipCookie

Add me to the list.

Here in maine we used to just call it ‘winter’


7 posted on 04/28/2010 6:20:37 PM PDT by maine yankee
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To: ChocChipCookie

She better have firearms or she won’t hold on to the rest of that stuff after the brown stuff hits the rotating blades.


8 posted on 04/28/2010 6:20:57 PM PDT by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: aliquando

Added more firepower this week.


9 posted on 04/28/2010 6:31:26 PM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: aliquando

Yeah. Why put all that stuff away if you’re gonna readily surrender it to the next thug that comes along?


10 posted on 04/28/2010 6:35:46 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: ChocChipCookie

“They both live in rural areas, grow their own food and could live without the grid indefinitely.”

...I live in a rural area too...if TSHTF I’m headed towards a small fortified village....no way my isolated farm could hold off roving bands of crimnals...law and order will breakdown first...remember Katrina where cops abandoned their posts and thieves began looting before the storm even made landfall....for safety, we’ll all have to live in groups and pull pickett guard duty.


11 posted on 04/28/2010 6:36:07 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: ChocChipCookie
I can't fend off a gang of mutant zombie bikers.

It isn't that difficult. Just yell "I love your Vespa" and watch their heads explode all by themselves.

Seriously, the lady is missing the sine qua non of survival: the willingness to defend herself and her family. She is far more likely to encounter intimidation and robbery than starvation in a survival situation, especially if she is known to have a stash of supplies. And the people who come after it won't be starving. During Katrina there were wandering punks after generators, attracted by the lights. They didn't want them for light, they wanted to steal them to sell. The people who were armed were able to decline politely. The people who weren't, weren't.

12 posted on 04/28/2010 6:36:45 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: SamAdams76
A good component of a survival kit would be 144 cases of corn whiskey, 12 cases fine wine, and as much tequila and vodka you can get your hands on.

I collect booze for storage and I just bought 34 bottles of this at $5.00 per bottle clearance.

This site sells it for $38.00 shipped.
Gosling's Black Seal, Bermuda Black Rum

13 posted on 04/28/2010 6:39:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: ChocChipCookie

...this site is interesting to poke around in...it concerns life after oil runs out.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/


14 posted on 04/28/2010 6:43:42 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: ChocChipCookie

This is definitely a rhetorical question... but you know all those “Public Service Announcements” the government pays for???? WHY don’t they make a PSA about getting ready for disaster, whether it be a winter power outage or tornado or WTSHTF????


15 posted on 04/28/2010 6:45:50 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: ChocChipCookie

I added another 50 pounds of chicken layer rations (sealed in buckets) to the outside larder. Our flock is stable at six hens, and we expect our first eggs in June, with full production by September. I expect at least four eggs a day out of the coop for at least 2 years with these hens...


16 posted on 04/28/2010 6:50:45 PM PDT by Bean Counter (The man who sits on the most exhaulted throne is still seated on his own arse, (Anon))
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To: ChocChipCookie

OBTW...Home Depot stocks quarter-mile reels of barbed wire for about $65 a spool. That’s a standard length, and about as much as one person can lift comfortably. You’ll look like a hero when you offer a couple of those up at the proper time...


17 posted on 04/28/2010 6:52:55 PM PDT by Bean Counter (The man who sits on the most exhaulted throne is still seated on his own arse, (Anon))
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To: SamAdams76

Vodka is a great antiseptic/sterilizer also...right?


18 posted on 04/28/2010 7:07:43 PM PDT by goodnesswins (The PLANTATION Party is at it again (the DEMS) ....trying to make slaves of everyone)
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To: ChocChipCookie

...we keep two 50 pound salt blocks on hand...one is out for the deer; one in reserve...you can get them at your local farm&feed store...get the plain salt...you don’t need the mineral/salt block....cattlemen buy that...salt might come in handy for food preservation and for trade bait.


19 posted on 04/28/2010 7:08:17 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: Bean Counter

Okay....I THINK I know what the barbed wire is for...but, I’m not sure...


20 posted on 04/28/2010 7:10:33 PM PDT by goodnesswins (The PLANTATION Party is at it again (the DEMS) ....trying to make slaves of everyone)
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To: STONEWALLS

bingo


21 posted on 04/28/2010 7:12:44 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: STONEWALLS

I’m big on salt, but I never thought of those easy to store 50 pound blocks that I just googled and learn they sell for 6 dollars, everyone that is into long term survival should invest in a few of those.


22 posted on 04/28/2010 7:16:26 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: maine-iac7

..sounds like you get my drift...it wasn’t origional with me btw...I once read a study of how people fared during the Russian revolution when the whole country broke down...and stayed that way for years...the bottom line was that people in small cities did the best...they had mutual protection, plus they had skilled people like doctors.


23 posted on 04/28/2010 7:17:49 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: ansel12
Why mess around?


24 posted on 04/28/2010 7:19:37 PM PDT by Hugin (Remember the first rule of gunfighting...have a gun..-- Col. Jeff Cooper)
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To: goodnesswins

Vodka is a great antiseptic/sterilizer also...right?

18 posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:07:43 PM by goodnesswins (The PLANTATION Party is at it again (the DEMS) ....trying to make slaves of everyone)
—————————————————————Alchohol is, but I believe it has to be at least 80 proof?


25 posted on 04/28/2010 7:20:13 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: Hugin

Picked some of that up recently.

I had to laugh. On the label it says keep away from heat, highly flammable.

Makes me glad I don’t drink...


26 posted on 04/28/2010 7:21:26 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: ansel12

...ther’s also a smaller salt block on the market about the size of a paving brick if that would be more convenient...but the big 50 pounders are best buy for the money.


27 posted on 04/28/2010 7:22:14 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: SamAdams76
I recommend that one stocks a lot of liquor. Not only does liquor have good shelf life but it will be a very marketable commodity in time of crisis.

Whiskeys and other spirits are always easy to store (I have a half-full bottle of absinthe which has been in my family since before the stuff was banned). Wine, though, needs more careful storage. Fortified wines are safer investments in that regard - avoiding spoilage is the very reason that Port wine exists.

28 posted on 04/28/2010 7:22:42 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: ansel12

I just bought a 25 lb. bag of salt at Honeyville Farms for $5.60. Don’t know if salt licks would come in handy here in the city or not, but a good supply of salt is a must.


29 posted on 04/28/2010 7:24:16 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (God to Obama: Don't think I'm not keepin' track. Brother.)
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To: SamAdams76
A good component of a survival kit would be 144 cases of corn whiskey, 12 cases fine wine, and as much tequila and vodka you can get your hands on.

Yah, right. I'll sell off all my Gold Eagles and Krugerands and get right on that shopping list. Booze ain't cheap. Gold is a smarter investment. Lots of 1 gram gold bars.

Besides that, having a ready supply of hooch in the basement makes for much too large a temptation.     =;^)

30 posted on 04/28/2010 7:26:02 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (The only moral use of violence is in retaliation against those who initiate its use.)
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To: Freddd

well...I got Yukon Jack (100 proof) and Brandy (80 proof) and some vodka (stored somewhere - really don’t drink hard liquor) ....isn’t vodka ALWAYS at least 80 proof?


31 posted on 04/28/2010 7:26:58 PM PDT by goodnesswins (The PLANTATION Party is at it again (the DEMS) ....trying to make slaves of everyone)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

UH, you Can’t eat or drink gold eagles ..... and I’m not sure anyone else will want to eat them either....remember Katrina? How many people were out trying to trade with Gold?


32 posted on 04/28/2010 7:28:13 PM PDT by goodnesswins (The PLANTATION Party is at it again (the DEMS) ....trying to make slaves of everyone)
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To: ChocChipCookie; STONEWALLS

I keep a lot of salt as part of my survival/canning supplies, but I like the 50 pound block as a compact package of deep storage at almost no cost, that can be chipped and ground in an emergency.


33 posted on 04/28/2010 7:33:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: SamAdams76
Add a group of trained friends... 12 AR’s... 50,000 rounds of 5.56 NATO... 15 good looking women and 20 cases of trojans. When I think of more...

LLS

34 posted on 04/28/2010 7:35:30 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: goodnesswins

Stocking up on alcohol is definitely a good idea...but...144 cases of whiskey?! That’s some serious moolah.


35 posted on 04/28/2010 7:37:55 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (The only moral use of violence is in retaliation against those who initiate its use.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

...knowing how to cache a firearm/ammo might be useful...here’s a guy that actually stashed one for 15 years:http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/wood115.html
PS...notice he begins by getting his gun thru a PRIVATE sale.


36 posted on 04/28/2010 7:38:24 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: ansel12

Five bucks a bottle for Gosling’s Black? Where the heck did you find that kind of deal?


37 posted on 04/28/2010 7:39:57 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: ChocChipCookie

We could get by with what we have in place for maybe a year and a half if we didn’t have to go to work or travel every day etc ....... A few home improvements such as massive insulation efforts, a wood stove with 12 full cords of wood stored securely . Rainwater collection , Small portable “sun jars” made from small solar yard lights and used indoors at night augmented by oil lamps and candles etc ... a small barking pup and a shotgun or 3. All this is basic and such as a bicycle will go a long way for getting around your local area without burning fuel.

We also put large capacity fuel storage bed tanks in each of our trucks so they have at least 200 gals in em at all times or just shy of as we keep em topped off each week.

Our whole house kohler emergency gensets use propane stored on site for one of them and the other is plumbed to the natural gas line to the house.

Steps we have taken due more to recent storms in the past few years that have shut our small town down due power loss and all services being down for weather related reasons.

A well stocked pantry that uses a rotational use system to keep the inventory fresh as possible using oldest first as well as gardens and a small backyard greenhouse to keep fresh veggies on the menu well into the winter......makes it routine for us versus any really special effort to be ......ready for any kind of storm that may make life slow down a bit.

Just what we do........Stay safe !


38 posted on 04/28/2010 7:40:33 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Maybe he’s planning on selling them?


39 posted on 04/28/2010 7:41:29 PM PDT by goodnesswins (The PLANTATION Party is at it again (the DEMS) ....trying to make slaves of everyone)
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To: Bean Counter
"Home Depot stocks quarter-mile reels of barbed wire"

I have thought about razor wire. Do you have any idea how to obtain that? Never seen it anywhere. I figure that can go up quick and delay any bad guys until defenders get there with the the proper tools.

40 posted on 04/28/2010 7:44:12 PM PDT by strongbow
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To: STONEWALLS
Here in Mississippi we had far more damage and we even had some civil unrest and a small bit of looting... and it lasted about one day. Citizens and police worked together to restore order... and we kept it.

We were under Martial Law and I open carried for three weeks after the storm... Even had a Colonel from Ohio NG admire my weapon. We were told, "IF you have to protect yourself, shoot 'em in the head and leave 'em face down in a ditch... we'll get to them". We were NOT New Orleans, Louisiana.

LLS

41 posted on 04/28/2010 7:44:26 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: ChocChipCookie

Be real careful when ya buy salt licks for human use....some have biotin and selenium etc in them. Additives fer yer critters will give ya the jitters !.....;o)

Get the pure salt licks.....


42 posted on 04/28/2010 7:46:18 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

I was wondering about that (additives) - any suggestions on where to buy ....local? online?


43 posted on 04/28/2010 7:47:31 PM PDT by goodnesswins (The PLANTATION Party is at it again (the DEMS) ....trying to make slaves of everyone)
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To: Reddy

“Because “they” are selling themselves as messiahs and selling the pipe dream of cradle to grave care and support. All they will do is engorge themselves until... like most parasites... they kill their host.

LLS


44 posted on 04/28/2010 7:47:44 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: Bean Counter

Good idea!

LLS


45 posted on 04/28/2010 7:48:18 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: goodnesswins

Local feed co-op has em , just ask for the ones without additives. Specify ....pure salt. Ones they drop in the fields have binders that keep the rain from dissolving the salt block etc ......ya want the pure ones !........:o)


46 posted on 04/28/2010 7:50:00 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Charles Martel

A grocery store had to clear it out.

They had 42 bottles but I was broke and could only force myself to buy 34 of them. I will always regret not buying the others, it is the best Rum I have ever had.


47 posted on 04/28/2010 7:50:05 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: strongbow

Razor wire is a commercial product that is considerably more expensive than regular barbed wire, and comes in rolls that are probably best handled with a forklift. It’s nasty stuff and would probably not be worth the space it would take to store, or the special equipment needed to handle it.

Regular barbed wire is plenty useful for regular perimeter security in my view, and it is plenty economical to stock a couple of rolls away. One great use for it is “tanglefoot” around any area that is out of sight, or just on the other side of a fence or gate. A quarter mile roll is a lot, especially in an urban setting, and if a few of your neighbors can all stock a couple of rolls, you will be ahead of the game when it comes to securing a perimeter...


48 posted on 04/28/2010 7:50:16 PM PDT by Bean Counter (The man who sits on the most exhaulted throne is still seated on his own arse, (Anon))
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To: Squantos

Thanks!


49 posted on 04/28/2010 7:50:46 PM PDT by goodnesswins (The PLANTATION Party is at it again (the DEMS) ....trying to make slaves of everyone)
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To: Squantos

Is water softener salt OK?

“50 LB, Water Softener Salt Block, 99.87% Pure Salt, Is Washed, Filtered, Dried, Screened & Compacted Into Blocks For Use In Water Softener Systems.”

http://underbid.com/product/689-217338/622553/North_American_50_LB_Water_Softener_Salt_Block_99.87_Pure_Salt_36051.html?ref=base


50 posted on 04/28/2010 7:52:48 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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