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Posted on 04/29/2010 8:04:43 AM PDT by ethics
USCCB Migration Chairman Joins Arizona Bishops in Decrying Anti-Immigrant Measure, Calls for Comprehensive Reform
WASHINGTON In solidarity with the Catholic bishops of Arizona, Bishop John C. Wester of Salt Lake City, chairman of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops Committee on Migration, issued a statement April 27, opposing the enactment and implementation of Arizona SB 1070, which criminalizes undocumented immigrants.
This new law, although limited to the State of Arizona, could have impact throughout the nation, in terms of how members of our immigrant communities are both perceived and treated, Bishop Wester said in the statement. SB 1070 gives law enforcement officials powers to detain and arrest individuals based on a very low legal standard, possibly leading to the profiling of individuals based upon their appearance, manner of speaking, or ethnicity.
Bishop Wester called SB 1070 symptomatic of the absence of federal leadership on the issue of immigration and called for the Administration and Congress to work in a bipartisan manner to enact comprehensive immigration reform as soon as possible. Full text of the statement follows.
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This is not true or accurate.
liberation theology is to Catholics what most Lutherans are to Protestants
or mascara laden dollies are to Evangelicals
I oppose homosexual child abuse by Catholic priests and bishops that has been going on for DECADES, and I am not taking lectures on morality from a bunch of fat lefties, who have been protecting sex abusers for as long as I can remember. The USCCB is not in a position to lecture anyone on what is right and what is wrong. They lost their credibility long ago.
The CC and DemocRats both fighting for an expansion of the base.
This is one of N reasons (where N is a very large number) why I left the church years ago.
Unfortunately the U.S. Catholic Church has been taken over by group of dishonest socialists (i.e. democrats) who can no longer be trusted.
Yes it is. My opinion. Thank you for sharing yours.
Things are bad enough without denying a very troubling trend. "Social Justice" progressiveness has saturated even my church.
There is a reason why separation of church and state is important, and this is crossing way over the line into secular affairs.
This also fuels the perverts' relentless attacks on the church. All Christian churches, in my opinion, justifiably.
I am a Catholic, have been all my life and don't expect ever to change. For me Christianity is best served by example, not by activism. Examples the last few generations has been abyssmal, and this political trend is not a positive contribution.
The Catholic Church has done well on abortion. On just about every other political issue, they are leftists. If the USCCB had their way, we would have no border at all, and just give our money to everyone is Mexico...social justice trumps Biblical teaching about the fall of man.
My wife discussed this last evening. We have decided that if the bishop talks about this during his homily, we will get up and walk out of Mass.
Not surprising. Most of those navel gazing buffoons haven't read the Catechism either.
2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.
Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.
The difference between you and me is that I believe, along with the vast majority of rank and file Catholics, that the soul of the Church is worth fighting for.
Like the other important things in my life like my wife, children, community and country, I will not easily abandon it to the forces of its destruction either internal or external.....(kind of like that foreign or domestic thing in the pledge I took at induction).
It’s not surprising the USCCB is against this. They love liberation theology and have been a big force behind amnesty for illegals as well.
These people don’t care illegals are breaking US law, because over 90% of them are catholic. They feel they can defy the law because they’re ‘helping’ catholics. And liberation theology allows for people to break the law if they are poor and need to do whatever thing is illegal that they are doing. IE stealing is okay if you really need to eat. It’s even more okay if you are stealing for your family. Thus the USCCB applies liberation theology to illegal immigration and concludes it’s okay to defy immigration law because these people really need to send money back home by being and working here illegally.
This new law, although limited to the State of Arizona, could have impact throughout the nation, in terms of how members of our immigrant communities are both perceived and treated,
Great. Let’s do for immigrants what affirmative action did for minorities. Let’s make it so that society assumes any foreigner is an illegal. Without enforcement of our immigration laws, it will be assumed that immigrants who worked hard and followed the rules to get here simply snuck over the border.
And what fighting could you do within the RCC to change things? As a lay person, nothing. You can’t determine who your priest is in your church. You have no power to remove them. You have no power to change anything organizationally in the RCC.
You don’t seem to give the benefit of the doubt to the guy that he didn’t first try to change things before leaving the RCC< either. Perhaps he did. More than once. Found it wasn’t going to go anywhere and decided since they would not listen, to separate himself from them. That is biblical.
I always love seeing people who are far more critical of people who do leave and dismiss them as ‘giving up’ when they are far less concerned about those left in power that have been rebuked and don’t change what they are doing that is clearly wrong.
Sadly, the USCCB has lost all credibility as a moral force. This is the latest example of their left-leaning betrayal of Catholic teaching. Thank God for Benedict XVI!
American Catholics are Marxists.
American Jews are Leninists.
I have never left the church. The church left me, and apparently is hell-bent on receding further each year, with the insistence on political BS.
As a catholic, I view the church today as, as a citizen, I view the Federal government.
That is not intended as a compliment. Arrogance, delusion, blindness and deafness seems to be common traits.
The True Church may still exist, but no one would know it by who gets all the press...
How? The Catholic vote is what puts Democrats into office, and Catholics are more pro-abortion than Protestants.
Why are Catholics a dependable, Democrat constituency?
Thanks Gov Brewer for taking action!!
Bunch of idiots.
Before Catholics abandon the church, isn't there some way for American Catholics to force the Catholic leadership to accede to American, muscular, conservative, Christianity?
How can Catholics Americanize the Catholic church?
You might have been a liitle less cryptic in your post.
The superficial message perceived is probalby the opposite of what you intented.
Maybe a more apt question would be "how can Catholics 'Catholicize' AMCHURCH™?
Perhaps limiting our weekly offerings, including a note explaining we do this as a means of protest towards the position of the USCCB?
We will use the left over money to support other causes which the Church supports (financially supporting Pro-Life candidates perhaps?)
Empty Collection Basket Alert...
This is the last straw for the Catholic Church...they are officially agitators for the enemy now.
This is no longer arguable.
I believe the calculation of the hierarchy is that your withholdings will be more than compensated by the offerings of the illegal, but devout, aliens who are flocking to the churches. And, as a touch of irony, you as a taxpayer will be indirectly subsidizing the illegals' offerings... /g
I wish I knew.
My comparison of the Church to the Federal government was not casual or impulsive.
The feeling of helplessness and hopelessness drives the wholesale evacuation of support, yet the totalitarians simply increase the abuse.
The majority of the voting electorate voted for Obama, therefore the odds are that you voted for Obama.
It does come across that way...lunch was calling
I am not going to take advice and guidance from a failed Catholic unless it is to point out where you went wrong. This battle is not for the weak and the quitters. If you believe can find peace and salvation in the message of another denomination and not in the Catechism God Bless or God help you.
Since you know neither of the parties to that discussion you don't know what has or has not been attempted. You also place little faith in the power of truth and the ability of the Holy Spirit to effect change.
What we say about our Catholic faith is the easy part. What we do with it shapes who we really are. Many good Catholics voted for President Obama. Many voted for Senator McCain. Both parties have plenty of decent people in their ranks.
But when we hear that 54 percent of American Catholics voted for President Obama last November, and that this somehow shows a sea change in their social thinking, we can reasonably ask: How many of them practice their faith on a regular basis? And when we do that, we learn that most practicing Catholics actually voted for Senator McCain. Of course, that doesn't really tell us whether anyone voted for either candidate for the right reasons. Nobody can do a survey of the secret places of the human heart. But it does tell us that numbers can be used to prove just about anything. We won't be judged on our knowledge of poll data. We'll be judged on whether we proved it by our actions when we said "I am a Catholic, and Jesus Christ is Lord."
- Archbishop Charles Chaput
Sit up in your chair higher so the lesson about why it’s wrong to generalize doesn’t sail so far over your head.
From my own personal experience in the RCC, which you have no knowledge of either, the Holy Spirit often has little to do with the political and financial decision making of the organizational hierarchy. I know what I speak of being there. I know what I’ve seen and heard and experienced and learned what I know from the priests who were close family friends and leaders of congregations. If you want to romanticize and idealize how RCC church decisions are made, well that might work for you. Don’t rip on others who see these things going on they believe are unbiblical, and decide to separate themselves from it.
Your condescending attitude towards other Christians not in your denomination is also unhelpful, unflattering and based on the RCC’s own track record, hardly defendable or deserved.
But the University of Notre Dame is a Catholic University, run by the Catholic Church is it not?
And Catholic Bishops and Nuns are “employed and hired” so to speak, by the Catholic Church, are they not?
So when those authorities agitate, sympathize, and toil for the Democrat Party, then they are working for the enemy, are they not?
American Catholics are Marxists ?
Not True ! God’s elect will always be committed to the one, holy and apostolic “faith”. Those that follow the Liberation Theology of the Jesuit order, their faith will fail them because their faith was based on sand Jesuit liberation Theology and not Jesus’s teachings which is the “Rock”.
Jesus said to them, “Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” i.e., the Jesuit’s Liberation Theology. Matthew 15
Hard to keep the flock in line with the truth I guess.
It is not condescension, it is intolerance. I see this as far more simple than the picture you are trying to paint. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Abandoning the Church and participating in the attack on the Church with the left makes one no more than a useful idiot of the left and the godless.
You may consider me intolerant but tolerance is not a Christian virtue. Neither is cowardice. Charity, justice, mercy, prudence, honesty -- these are Christian virtues.
That guy was telling a form of lie, there was no sea change, the Catholic vote has always been liberal.
Republicans have rarely ever won the Catholic vote, and that was almost always for reelections.
In 2000 for instance Catholics voted for Al Gore, but in 2004, they voted 52% for the Republican, of course in that same year, Hispanics that were Protestant voted 56% for the Republican.
I think that you are missing the point, the church is clearly also part of the left, the church and the rest of the left has it's intense internal arguments, but come election time the party of the left can count on the Catholics to carry their water.
Do you think the church is going to help the left or the right on this immigration issue, and which side do you think that the church has always been on regarding immigration being forced onto the American people?
You need to look past your own prejudices. As Archbishop Chaput points out there is a significant difference between those who call themselves Catholic and those who actually live the faith and that those who actually live the faith vote predominantly Republican.
Catholic social teaching goes well beyond abortion. In America we have many urgent issues that beg for our attention, from immigration reform to health care to poverty to homelessness.
Seventy years ago the great French writer Georges Bernanos published a little essay called "Sermon of an Agnostic on the Feast of St. Théresè." Bernanos had a deep distrust for politics and an equally deep love for the Catholic Church. He could be brutally candid. He disliked both the right and the left. He also had a piercing sense of irony about the comfortable, the self-satisfied and the lukewarm who postured themselves as Catholic -- whether they were laypeople or clergy.
In his essay he imagined "what any decent agnostic of average intelligence might say, if by some impossible chance the [pastor] were to let him stand awhile in the pulpit [on] the day consecrated to St. Théresè of Lisieux."
"Dear brothers," says the agnostic from the pulpit, "many unbelievers are not as hardened as you imagine. [But when] we seek [Christ] now, in this world, it is you we find, and only you. It is you Christians who participate in divinity, as your liturgy proclaims; it is you divine men' who ever since [Christ's] ascension have been his representatives on earth. You are the salt of the earth. [So if] the world loses its flavor, who is it I should blame? The New Testament is eternally young. It is you who are so old. Because you do not live your faith, your faith has ceased to be a living thing."
Bernanos had little use for the learned, the proud or the superficially religious. He believed instead in the little flowers -- the Thérèse of Lisieuxs -- that sustain the Church and convert the world by the purity, simplicity, innocence and zeal of their faith. That kind of faith is a gift. But it's a gift each of us can ask for, and each of us will receive, if we just have the courage to choose it and then act on it. The only people who ever really change the world are saints. Each of us can be one of them. But we need to want it, and then follow the path that comes with it.
You need to get past calling everyone prejudiced.
The guy tried to imply that the Catholics voting for Obama was unusual, a “sea change”, that is a form of lie, Catholics are generally liberal and almost always vote Democrat.
If the guy is writing about the Catholic vote then he knows the truth and he should have not tried to give the reader that false impression, that is lying.
See post 46.
Heads up Michigan freepers:
Posted: 12:32 p.m. April 29, 2010
Detroit Latinos to rally
immigration laws, seek
By NIRAJ WARIKOO
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
Latinos are planning to rally in Michigan this
weekend for immigration reform including a
group of students who left today from a Detroit
high school and are walking to Ann Arbor in
advance of President Obamas talk on Saturday,
said community activists.
You need to get over yourself and your presumption of piety and authority. I will stop pointing out prejudice the moment I don't see it.
When someone categorically assumes that the acts of every failed, nonpracticing, or self-proclaimed Catholic represents the actual position of faithful Catholics and the Church it is prejudicial thinking.
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