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Texas bill would require birthplace proof for presidential candidates (About Time Alert)
Boston Herals ^

Posted on 04/29/2010 8:44:11 AM PDT by Thurston_Howell_III

FORTH WORTH, Texas — A state lawmaker wants to make sure that any candidate on the presidential ticket from now on can show proof they were born in the United States — or not be allowed on the Texas ballot.

(Excerpt) Read more at bostonherald.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: accountability; birthcertificate; certifigate; dnc; eligibility; foreigninterst; fraud; immigration; longformbc; naturalborncitizen; nodualcitizen; obama; pelosi; progressives; proof; seiu; soros; texas; tx; usurper; wethepeople; wfp
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Berman was referring to President Barack Obama, whose birthplace has been questioned by some since before he took office. Although his campaign produced a birth certificate that shows Obama was born in Hawaii....a "certificate of live birth" is NOT a birth certificate.
1 posted on 04/29/2010 8:44:11 AM PDT by Thurston_Howell_III
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

Finally. Hope it happens

Don’t mess with Texas


2 posted on 04/29/2010 8:45:23 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Beckwith; bgill; butterdezillion; bvw; conservativegramma; Danae; dennisw; El Gato; exit82; ...

NBC Ping.


3 posted on 04/29/2010 8:47:22 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: RWGinger

This looks to be a growing trend in state legislatures. It’s a slap in the face to the Obamites and they know it.


4 posted on 04/29/2010 8:47:41 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

One presidential election too late...


5 posted on 04/29/2010 8:47:47 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: ConservaTexan

Well yeah, but hey, if it keeps him off the ballot the next go round, then it’s worth it.


6 posted on 04/29/2010 8:49:51 AM PDT by Grumpybutt
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To: ConservaTexan

Laws are usually written to address a problem,not anticipate one;who imagined the Democrat and Republican party bosses would ignore the Constitutional eligibility of a presidential candidate?


7 posted on 04/29/2010 8:50:04 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Of course the POS 0dumbo will keep arguing the fak bc he put out is proof
then he will lie and say Gov Lingle said he was born in Hi
and then his supporters will call all of us crazed birthers

Bring it on


8 posted on 04/29/2010 8:50:24 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Grumpybutt

Agreed


9 posted on 04/29/2010 8:50:41 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: RWGinger

I am sure that, as we speak, the Whitey House is preparing a press statement condemning the Texas Legislature’s actions.


10 posted on 04/29/2010 8:51:12 AM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

AZ might not have enough electoral votes for O to care; but Texas does.


11 posted on 04/29/2010 8:51:16 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: ConservaTexan
"One presidential election too late... "

We should do like clinton did when he took office with the tax increases...make the law RETROACTIVE...would that then convert his presidency to "invalid"?
12 posted on 04/29/2010 8:51:31 AM PDT by FrankR (Standing up against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future will belong to the tyrants.)
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To: hoosierham

Not to mention the entire federal judiciary, the SCOTUS, and the entire media.


13 posted on 04/29/2010 8:52:23 AM PDT by chris37
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

IMHO, this is going the wrong way. The bill should require proof of “Natural Born Citizenship” status, not birthplace proof. The Constitution requires the former, not the latter. Just proof of location doesn’t guarantee constitutional requirements.


14 posted on 04/29/2010 8:53:18 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

Hopefully the proposed bill would require proof of “Natural Born Citizen” status not just a birth place.


15 posted on 04/29/2010 8:54:12 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: mnehring

Less than one minute!!! GMTA


16 posted on 04/29/2010 8:54:58 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: Grumpybutt
if it keeps him off the ballot the next go round

If there is a next "go round." I get the sense that Obama will not go meekly into the night.

ML/NJ

17 posted on 04/29/2010 8:55:26 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

Actually, it needs to require birth certificate and proof of citizenship for both parents.


18 posted on 04/29/2010 8:56:32 AM PDT by Ingtar (Obama's favorite carol: Hark The Herald Angels Sing About Me)
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To: RWGinger

Arizona started the ball rolling on this type of bill. It will be ready for Gov Brewers signature soon.


19 posted on 04/29/2010 8:56:36 AM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ConservaTexan

unfortunately it is only happening in states 0bama has no chance on winning. We need to see a law like this in a state that is always close, such as OH, PA or MO.


20 posted on 04/29/2010 8:57:07 AM PDT by KMG365
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To: ml/nj

“If there is a next “go round.” I get the sense that Obama will not go meekly into the night.”

Just like clinton then.


21 posted on 04/29/2010 8:59:49 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Ingtar
Actually, it needs to require birth certificate and proof of citizenship for both parents

Hear here!

HF

22 posted on 04/29/2010 9:00:41 AM PDT by holden
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To: KMG365

Bingo. He’s never winning Texas anyway. But we ought to be able to pass this in Florida. Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri and Minnesota also ought to be targets. Of course, the first two you’d run into Dem governors who would veto the law.


23 posted on 04/29/2010 9:02:26 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

This is a commonsense approach to what will continue to be a bedeviling controversy otherwise.

State the standard. Enforce it. That is all.


24 posted on 04/29/2010 9:02:44 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Sic semper tyrannis! Stop spending. Starve the beast.)
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To: KMG365

Doesn’t matter if its only in states he can’t win anyway. All it requires is one state to not put him on the ballot because he refuses to comply with the law. At that point I don’t think that even the msm can ignore it.


25 posted on 04/29/2010 9:03:43 AM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ...In the US the number is 54%)
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To: RWGinger

Hook ‘em Horns!


26 posted on 04/29/2010 9:03:55 AM PDT by May31st
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To: Grumpybutt

It’s worth it anyway. The Constitution must be upheld and, apparently, there is no process for doing that as to presidential candidates at the moment. If a party hack says, yeah, he’s eligible, that seems to be all there is to it and that is not sufficient.


27 posted on 04/29/2010 9:04:46 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Sic semper tyrannis! Stop spending. Starve the beast.)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III
It seems that this law, like other State laws as far as proof of birth, would be satisfied by a computer printout COLB from Hawaii DOH.

Hawaii says that their COLB listing a Hawaiian birthplace is proof of birth within their state, and under the “full faith and credit” clause, Texas is obligated to accept it.

This law neither “Free(s) the long form” or establishes that one must be the child of two citizens to be a “natural born citizen”. In fact it seems that any proof of birth establishing U.S. citizenship at birth would fulfill the requirment to be on the Presidential ballot for any of these States that have (so far) passed these measures.

28 posted on 04/29/2010 9:04:54 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

It probably does/will. Remember, this info is being filtered through an LSM “journalist” at the Boston Herald...


29 posted on 04/29/2010 9:12:25 AM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III
Although his campaign produced a birth certificate that shows Obama was born in Hawaii.

Nice choice of words: "a birth certificate not his birth certificate".

This counterfeit administration is so good at foistng counterfeits upon the masses.

30 posted on 04/29/2010 9:14:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: KMG365

But it’s a good thing because the media will have to cover it, and it will bring a lot more people in other states to demand to show his BC. But there is still the Natural Born Citizen thing, which he has already admitted he’s not. Also Mitt Romney is not a Natural Born Citizen. His father was born in Mexico.


31 posted on 04/29/2010 9:14:39 AM PDT by jarofants
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To: DonaldC
Just like clinton then.

I'm thinking more like Chavez or Castro.

ML/NJ

32 posted on 04/29/2010 9:15:29 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: fightinJAG

True.


33 posted on 04/29/2010 9:20:29 AM PDT by Grumpybutt
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To: jarofants
So your definition of natural born citizen means that one’s parents would ALSO have to be natural born citizens?

Are you trying to claim that a child born of two U.S. citizens on U.S. soil is not a natural born citizen if one of those parents is not ALSO a natural born citizen?

Do you know how few people would be natural born citizens by that definition? Almost nobody, because almost every American has at least one Grandparent, or Great-Grandparent who was not a natural born citizen; especially by your definition.

34 posted on 04/29/2010 9:25:17 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
Hawaii says that their COLB listing a Hawaiian birthplace is proof of birth within their state, and under the “full faith and credit” clause, Texas is obligated to accept it. So if Texas had a law that specifically said COLB is NOT proof of birth in Texas, wouldn't Hawaii have to provide alternate proof under that same clause?
35 posted on 04/29/2010 9:31:30 AM PDT by Thurston_Howell_III (Ahoy polloi... where did you come from, a scotch ad?)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III
No. Texas would not have any power as far as dictating to another State how they need to authenticate or document birth within that State.

It is up to Congress to regulate what criteria is acceptable or unacceptable as far as their documents and procedures; and so far, Congress has made no ruling that a computer printout COLB doesn't satisfy their (and thus other States) requirements as far as proof of birth.

But I am sure you can get Pelosi and Reid right on that one! ;)

From the U.S. Constitution....

“Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.”

36 posted on 04/29/2010 9:40:01 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

This is very big. VERY BIG.

Win or lose, this will be at the top of the news before 2012. If Texas wins their case, then Obama would have to throw that state. If they lose, then others will ask “Why?”

We won’t have another presidential election.


37 posted on 04/29/2010 9:55:05 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: allmendream

Is a Hawaii COLB accepted as proof of citizenship for other questions, such as getting a passport, etc.?


38 posted on 04/29/2010 9:59:59 AM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: Celerity
This is not a court case it is a bill that will be a law if passed.

My point is that according to this law, a COLB from Hawaii DOH showing a Hawaiian place of birth would be sufficient to get on the Texas Presidential ballot.

We will have another Presidential election, in 2012.

39 posted on 04/29/2010 10:06:32 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Doug Loss
Yes, it is, according to the Hawaii DOH, the only sort of proof of birth that they issue.

According to the full faith and credit clause, other States have to accept a Hawaiian COLB as proof of birth. Until Congress rules that Hawaiian proof of birth, and or other State's proof of birth documents, do not meet the necessary requirements and rules that new procedures need to be in place - that will have to serve as Hawaii's document establishing proof of birth.

40 posted on 04/29/2010 10:09:09 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Grumpybutt

A state lawmaker wants to make sure that any candidate on the presidential ticket from now on can show proof they were born in the United States


I hope it is written that it requires natural born status rather than “born in the U. S.

Because one is born in the U. S. does not necessarily mean they are natural born citizens.


41 posted on 04/29/2010 10:34:35 AM PDT by Know et al (Everything I know I read in the newspaper and that's the reason for my ignorance: Will Rogers)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

I’ve always loved Texas!


42 posted on 04/29/2010 10:41:38 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: allmendream

That’s right.


43 posted on 04/29/2010 10:42:02 AM PDT by jarofants
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

Wait a minute......Birth in the USA is not the requirement...at least not alone......Birth to 2 citizen parents in the US is the Constitutional Requirement....Is Texas saying birth alone is sufficient to be on the Presidental ballot?

Woah Nelly! Not Good........NBC is needed to be on the Ballot........as reported they are leaving the impression that mere citizenship like Obama has is all that is necessary.....I ain’t buying it!


44 posted on 04/29/2010 10:43:24 AM PDT by Forty-Niner ((.))
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To: jarofants
Do you realize that by that definition, less than 1% of U.S. citizens at birth would qualify as “natural born citizens”?

Do you realize that by that definition, that less than 1% would need to reproduce exclusively within that less than 1% or it would soon be less than 0.1%?

Your definition has to be the reducto ad absurdum of what it would take to be a “natural born citizen”.

Good luck with finding any support for your preposterous definition.

45 posted on 04/29/2010 10:55:42 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

Awww shucks. If you follow my posts today, my frustration level at “This administration” has my blood boiling over today.


46 posted on 04/29/2010 10:59:47 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: Celerity
Today and every day for me as well FRiend.
47 posted on 04/29/2010 11:02:14 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
Yeah wheres your source on 1%. Did yoy pull this number out of the air.
48 posted on 04/29/2010 11:13:52 AM PDT by jarofants
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To: allmendream
Try googling natural born citizen.
49 posted on 04/29/2010 11:16:31 AM PDT by jarofants
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To: Mogollon

I am proud for Arizona. Great State!!

Texas will be voting on a similar bill when the lege convenses Jan 2011


50 posted on 04/29/2010 11:17:22 AM PDT by RWGinger
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