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Opinion: Arizona alienates world as "hate state" (YOU NEED TO READ THIS!)
GlobalPost ^ | April 27, 2010 | Michael Dickson

Posted on 04/29/2010 12:06:09 PM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666

(Actual dumb editorial removed, this is the first comment.)

This take on the situation is so incredibly wrong-headed, I scarcely know where to start. Let me start by saying I´m a former American newspaper editor who retired early at age 55 a decade ago and moved to a mountaintop in the middle of Mexico. I have become a Mexican citizen. My wife is Mexican. I speak Spanish all day long. I know Mexicans. I am one.

Some of my relatives are current or former illegal aliens who stole into the U.S. I also am personally acquainted with others who´ve done the same thing. Each and every one can support himself here in Mexico. Things just look brighter over the border. Who cares if it´s illegal? Nobody down here does.

Most Mexicans live as we did in the U.S. during the 1940s and 1950s. Americans in that time were not poor. They simply did not have Toyota Tundras, plasma TVs, iPods, designer clothes, etc., etc. It was another time, and it´s another time in Mexico. Alas, Mexico is right up against another nation that lives in a separate universe, so to speak. It´s very alluring.

Educational opportunities abound in Mexico, probably more so than in the U.S., and they are affordable, but they are under-utilized due to cultural issues. Jobs can be found. Help Wanted signs are common. Newspapers, especially in their Sunday editions, carry reams of Help Wanted ads, everything from the most humble work to high-tech positions. Anyone with focus and drive can make it in Mexico. Are pay scales low? You bet. Is the cost of living in Mexico correspondingly low? It sure is. That´s important to remember when you´re weeping over people who only make ten bucks a day.

Utilities are incredibly low. Medical care is cheap to sometimes free. Income taxes are usually nonexistent. Many people live in homes their families have owned for generations. Property taxes? I pay ten bucks a year. Think of these elements when you´re moaning about our low salaries.

But the allure of the U.S., especially to the young, is powerful. And the U.S. makes it soooo easy with its refusal to get serious with border controls.

Mexicans, if they wish to move to the U.S., have every right to apply, just like other immigrant hopefuls from around the world. People everywhere want to move to America, and America allows that, but standards are set. There are requirements. Most Mexicans do not fulfill those requirements.

There is no "right" to move to the United States.

What´s most important to understand is that we Mexicans are not going hungry. We do not lack clothes. We are not homeless. We are not sitting forlorn on the desert floor, wasting away. This is not Chad. It is not Rwanda. It´s not even Bolivia. Mexico has one of the best standards of living in Latin America. Sure, things could be better. And the primary problem is cultural. Mexicans are not a cooperative people. They do not trust each other, and trust is the foundation of a vibrant economy. Our attitudes come from our troubled and violent past. We need to get over that, but it´s not happening quickly.

Mexicans are flooding over the U.S. border at an absurd rate, and most are doing it through Arizona. Arizona got fed up, and I don´t blame them. Both the U.S. government and the Mexican government are to blame for the lamentable situation. Americans are sick of it, and are taking matters into their own hands. Thus, Arizona. More states will follow, and not just on the border, if Washington doesn´t get real and address this issue in a meaningful way.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizonalaw; bias; enforcethelaw; gthoomc; illegalimmigration; insider; media; mexico; statesrights
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1 posted on 04/29/2010 12:06:09 PM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Excellent post!


2 posted on 04/29/2010 12:17:05 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

How come no one mentions Oklahoma?


3 posted on 04/29/2010 12:19:42 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Good read! I have many Mexican national friends who go back and forth from Texas to Mexico for business reasons. They are filthy rich in Mexico and have proper Visas and such.(have LEGAL access to the US)

It’s nice to read an opinion from someone who knows the reality of life in Mexico.

Too bad this reality will never reach MSM or the stupid liberals who are inciting violent protests against AZ and others who take US laws seriously.


4 posted on 04/29/2010 12:19:58 PM PDT by nagdt ("speak the truth but leave immediately afterward")
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Wow!


5 posted on 04/29/2010 12:22:52 PM PDT by proud American in Canada (my former tagline "We can, and we will prevail" doesn't fit with the usurper's goals.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

...or North Carolina.


6 posted on 04/29/2010 12:23:23 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (Ey, Paolo! uh-Clem just broke the Presideng...)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Thanks for posting this. I am so anxious for good news on ANYTHING these days, even though it is far away, it is a bit of sunshine. We need some good news before a lot of us just snap LOL. Thing is, with the anxiety levels so high, we need good things to be happening or a lot of people will wind up sick, and that isn’t good!


7 posted on 04/29/2010 12:26:59 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Freepers, go to the site and read the editorial. Rosenblum is a real creep.


8 posted on 04/29/2010 12:28:38 PM PDT by DallasDeb (USAFA '06 Mom)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
"Mexicans, if they wish to move to the U.S., have every right to apply, just like other immigrant hopefuls from around the world. People everywhere want to move to America, and America allows that, but standards are set. There are requirements. Most Mexicans do not fulfill those requirements. "

ImmBOR3


9 posted on 04/29/2010 12:32:06 PM PDT by FrankR (Standing up against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future will belong to the tyrants.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; ...

Ping!

Read carefully - the post is actually a comment to an editorial from an American Ex-pat who is now a Mexican citizen.


10 posted on 04/29/2010 12:34:23 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Illegal is a Crime, it is not a Race ~)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
How come no one mentions Oklahoma?

For the same reason no one mentions Kansas, Alabama, Georgia, Minnesota, or a whole host of other states. You aren't on the border and the average joe - thanks to an agenda-driven press - is absolutely oblivious to the fact that illegal immigrants don't stop at the border.

They are now a natiowide thread. How many people realize that there are illegal immigrant communities in Hawaii and Alaska?

11 posted on 04/29/2010 12:38:06 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Illegal is a Crime, it is not a Race ~)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

He is right. Can’t argue with him on this at all.

I wonder what paper he was editor for?


12 posted on 04/29/2010 12:38:08 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: HiJinx

“Most Mexicans live as we did in the U.S. during the 1940s and 1950s. Americans in that time were not poor. They simply did not have Toyota Tundras, plasma TVs, iPods, designer clothes, etc., etc. [OR WELFARE!!!!] It was another time, and it´s another time in Mexico. Alas, Mexico is right up against another nation that lives in a separate universe, so to speak.”

BTTT!!!


13 posted on 04/29/2010 12:39:11 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more ‘share the wealth’ socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: All

Such an incredible disconnect between the citizens and the Media/Politicians...


14 posted on 04/29/2010 12:39:41 PM PDT by Maverick68
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To: BelegStrongbow

I searched but couldn’t find a law in North Carolina addressing the issue. Was this passed in the last few months?

I did find a lot of articles concened with illegals in NC.


15 posted on 04/29/2010 12:39:50 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
Educational opportunities abound in Mexico, probably more so than in the U.S., and they are affordable, but they are under-utilized due to cultural issues.

BINGO. I've gotten flamed (not here) for suggesting our main problem with poor school performance was cultural.

16 posted on 04/29/2010 12:43:19 PM PDT by RockinRight (The last 15 months have been a sh*tty deal for America.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Excellent comments. I didn’t bother with the editorial. If it wasn’t posted, it must have been really drenched with liberal stupidity.


17 posted on 04/29/2010 12:45:04 PM PDT by Sister_T (Calling an Illegal Alien an “Immigrant” is like calling a shoplifter a “customer”)
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To: nagdt

There’s plenty of wealth in Mexico, but due to government corruption and cultural problems, it’s harder to get a hold of legally than in the US.


18 posted on 04/29/2010 12:48:45 PM PDT by RockinRight (The last 15 months have been a sh*tty deal for America.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Sorry, I now recall you posting an article about good work being done by the OK legislature. What I meant is that the problem here in NC is only EXCEEDED by AZ, CA, NY and a few others, and there’s no excuse in the world for it to be so, other than soft-headed Dumbocrats who’ve been misruling the state here since Reconstruction.


19 posted on 04/29/2010 12:53:57 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (Ey, Paolo! uh-Clem just broke the Presideng...)
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To: BelegStrongbow

I hear they’re considering moving the capitol of NC to Asheville ;-)


20 posted on 04/29/2010 12:56:27 PM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
I hear they’re considering moving the capitol of NC to Asheville ;-)

Fine, just so long as they move the politicians to Knoxville. :D

21 posted on 04/29/2010 12:57:28 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (Ey, Paolo! uh-Clem just broke the Presideng...)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

hatestate


22 posted on 04/29/2010 1:01:28 PM PDT by FrankR (Standing up against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future will belong to the tyrants.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
They do not trust each other, and trust is the foundation of a vibrant economy.

He is correct that a successful economy depends on trust, and America is well on the way to the condition of mistrust he describes in Mexico.

Just another aspect of the Mexification of the United States.

23 posted on 04/29/2010 1:03:10 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: HiJinx
"How come no one mentions Oklahoma?"

Cause most people have never been there and they couldn't even find it on a map. lol

24 posted on 04/29/2010 1:18:03 PM PDT by Dem Guard
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

I just know its been to long since I’ve vacationed in Arizona.


25 posted on 04/29/2010 1:55:16 PM PDT by Badeye (I can see NOVEMBER from My HOUSE.)
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To: Dem Guard

Hey, now, you never heard C.W. McCall’s ‘Convoy’? Rollin’ up Itnerstate 44...that’s Oklahoma!!

But, you’re right. Flyover country is overrun with illegals and they aren’t getting the ink.

The meat-packing plants in Dodge City, KS, became job-centers for illegals a long time ago, according to a post I read at least 4 years ago.


26 posted on 04/29/2010 1:55:36 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Illegal is a Crime, it is not a Race ~)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

What’s the status of the bill in Oklahoma? Is there a bill?


27 posted on 04/29/2010 2:00:09 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Build a man a fire; he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire; he'll be warm the rest of his life)
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To: HiJinx
I'm originally from WI and many people don't know where that is either!
28 posted on 04/29/2010 2:01:54 PM PDT by Dem Guard
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
Hate? More like...


29 posted on 04/29/2010 2:09:53 PM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

I wonder where that mountain is. I would be there in a heartbeat, however us gringos cannot own property in Mexico and their immigration policies are a bit difficult if I understand correctly. Some of my friends have gone to Costa Rica.

How difficult is it to gain Mexican citizenship?


30 posted on 04/29/2010 2:11:19 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, 20 Miles North of Fredonia Arizona)
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To: HiJinx

And a little further south, National Beef is located in Liberal, Ks.


31 posted on 04/29/2010 2:11:40 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Utah Binger

So that is the reason Mexico hasn´t overtaken Florida as the main haven for US retirees? I would otherwise, and I was thinking of why before reading your post, think it would be an optional place to live a good live off your savings, with cheap costs and beautiful beaches, food, women and so on.


32 posted on 04/29/2010 2:40:16 PM PDT by Leifur
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To: Dem Guard

Ain’t that where the Packers play?


33 posted on 04/29/2010 3:00:52 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Illegal is a Crime, it is not a Race ~)
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To: MrB

Really? I don’t remember seeing anything on them when we were ‘commuting’ through Liberal.

I’d bet there are several Kansas communities who could tell the same sort of story.


34 posted on 04/29/2010 3:22:50 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Illegal is a Crime, it is not a Race ~)
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To: HiJinx

That’s about what you hear as they look at you with bewilderment as to exactly where WI is.


35 posted on 04/29/2010 3:30:56 PM PDT by Dem Guard
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
and the truth will set them free... TO GO HOME! GTHOOMC!!!
36 posted on 04/29/2010 3:36:46 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Dem Guard

Nestled in-between Minnesota and Illinois! Then again, I was a geography major in college for the first two years.

I hear what you’re saying - my wife grew up here in Arizona and used to tease her NY cousins. She told them their trip out here was fairly safe, because they always circled the station wagons at night to protect themselves from the Indians...in 1958!


37 posted on 04/29/2010 3:41:25 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Illegal is a Crime, it is not a Race ~)
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To: HiJinx

“She told them their trip out here was fairly safe, because they always circled the station wagons at night to protect themselves from the Indians...in 1958!” lol


38 posted on 04/29/2010 4:05:09 PM PDT by Dem Guard
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

“Who cares if it’s illegal. No one here does.”

And that, mi amigo, is one of the great reasons Mexico is the way IT is and the United States is the way IT is.

I wonder if he thought about what he wrote? Disgusts me.


39 posted on 04/29/2010 5:12:58 PM PDT by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Immigration activists usually claim that opposition to illegal immigration is a form of hatred and racism. There’s actually no hatred involved. Here’s why most Americans oppose illegal immigration:

1) Illegal immigrants raise the crime rate in America.
2) Illegal immigrants increase the motor vehicle accident rate in America. ( I can testify to that after a few harrowing taxi rides in Mexico with drivers who were stunningly reckless even with passengers in their cabs. A high percentage of illegal immigrants are dangerous drivers, no question about it.)
3) Illegal immigrants receive a high level of government benefits from the states and localities and divert money from schools and other priorities while driving up taxes.
4) A high percentage of illegal immigrants, if they become citizens or register to vote illegally, register as Democrats and vote for liberal politicians. These liberals can pass laws that most native-born people strongly oppose, such as the recent monstrous health care law. We have the right to resist a takeover of our country by left-wing socialist politicians because we strongly oppose the laws they vote for.

If you ask immigration advocates whether we should allow an unlimited number of Mexicans to immigrate to the US, most activists would say “yes.” But if you then asked them if we should also allow an unlimited number of Chinese people to immigrate to the US, even as many as 100 million Chinese in the next ten years, I think most of the activists would say no to that idea because it would overcrowd America and overload our infrastructure. So their campaign for unlimited immigration is probably intended primarily for Mexicans and other people from Central America. We don’t hate those people. We just want them to fix the problems in Mexico instead of moving up here and bringing those problems to America.


40 posted on 04/29/2010 5:25:06 PM PDT by your local physicist (Don't blame me. I wasn't fooled by anyone. I crossed my fingers and voted for McCain.)
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To: HiJinx

I wonder how many people know that the largest concentration of illegals (especially illegals from Mexico) outside of California is...Illinois! The six-county “Chicagoland” area alone has at least 1.5 million.


41 posted on 04/29/2010 5:35:15 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: bboop
“Who cares if it’s illegal. No one here does.”

Ummm, Mexico doesn't care if people enter their country illegally? LOL! Mexico's illegal immigration laws are pretty strict, much more so than the Arizona bill.
42 posted on 04/29/2010 6:03:20 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: HiJinx
For the same reason no one mentions Kansas, Alabama, Georgia, Minnesota, or a whole host of other states.

Minnesota is on the border. It has a border with Canada. However, few have started sneaking south across that border.

43 posted on 04/30/2010 1:33:23 AM PDT by DrDavid (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
Jobs can be found. Help Wanted signs are common. Newspapers, especially in their Sunday editions, carry reams of Help Wanted ads, everything from the most humble work to high-tech positions.

the fact that about 10% of the Mexican population has moved to the US might account for the demand for workers in Mexico.

44 posted on 04/30/2010 4:52:03 AM PDT by highlander_UW (First we take down the Democrats, then we clean the Augean stable that is the GOP.)
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To: BelegStrongbow

Same problem here in the Democratic Republic of Illinois.

“I feel your pain.” ;)


45 posted on 04/30/2010 7:45:02 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: HiJinx

These states all have their own illegal immigration laws?

Illinois has more illegal immigrants than any of the states you mention. And we’re nowhere near the border.


46 posted on 04/30/2010 7:46:26 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Cyber Liberty

It was passed in 2007.

Chased almost all the illegals away.


47 posted on 04/30/2010 7:47:41 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Dem Guard

LOL!

Sure they can. It’s right next to the island of Alaska. ;)


48 posted on 04/30/2010 7:48:58 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

bump


49 posted on 04/30/2010 7:58:20 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Thanks. Then I really do have to wonder about all the firestorm with AZ, because we’re not even the first to do it.


50 posted on 04/30/2010 8:40:18 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Build a man a fire; he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire; he'll be warm the rest of his life)
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