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Group: Army symbol is religious, should be changed
AP ^ | 4/29/2010 | Dan Elliott

Posted on 04/29/2010 12:48:46 PM PDT by markomalley

A religious watchdog group says a cross and motto on the emblem of an Army hospital in Colorado violate the constitutional requirement for separation of church and state and should be removed.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation asked the Army this week to change the emblem of Evans Army Community Hospital at Fort Carson, outside Colorado Springs.

The emblem says "Pro deo et humanitate" or "For God and humanity."

Fort Carson commanders will review the complaint, Lt. Col. Steve Wollman said.

He said the emblem had been approved by the Army Institute of Heraldry and has been in use since 1969.

Wollman said references to doctors serving God and humanity date to the time of Hippocrates, a pre-Christianity Greek physician.

Wollman said the cross, which has a pointed base, is both an emblem of mercy and a symbol dating to the Middle Ages, when pilgrims carried a cross with a spiked base to mark the site of a camp.

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1 posted on 04/29/2010 12:48:47 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

When the government take over of the health care system is 100% complete, you can kiss goodbye hospital names like St. Annes, St. Joseph, etc. It’s coming!


2 posted on 04/29/2010 12:50:33 PM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado

God will judge America and it won’t be pretty. I truly fear for the future of my children. How did we let this happen???


3 posted on 04/29/2010 12:51:35 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: markomalley

Stripping our country from our heritage - one piece at a time!


4 posted on 04/29/2010 12:53:52 PM PDT by jcsjcm (American Patriot - follow the Constitution and in God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: avacado
Oddly enough, after the government take over divine intervention will be the only cure available.
5 posted on 04/29/2010 12:54:30 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: avacado

What? I thought that the “St.” was short for “street”!


6 posted on 04/29/2010 12:54:46 PM PDT by dtrpscout (A bad dog is better than most good people.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

A friend I work with told me that when Mao took over China that they quit education for a generation or two so that ignorant parents could raise a “blank” child and then be indoctrinated by Mao. Just think of how bad the liberals scream when someone like Glen Beck does a show on the Founding Fathers. They hate it.


7 posted on 04/29/2010 12:54:53 PM PDT by avacado
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To: markomalley

we’re SMOKIN’ them out.....PRO-American vs. ANTI-American


8 posted on 04/29/2010 12:55:32 PM PDT by goodnesswins (The PLANTATION Party is at it again (the DEMS) ....trying to make slaves of everyone)
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To: markomalley

To be completely PC, they need to remove all of the crosses in our national cemeteries......HUH! That would be politically correct......right?


9 posted on 04/29/2010 12:56:10 PM PDT by DH (The government writes no bill that does not line the pockets of special interests.)
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To: goodnesswins

Time to move THEM “over there”,
and US “over here”

and put up a border fence to keep them out.


10 posted on 04/29/2010 12:56:51 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: markomalley

I am curious if the Hispanic clergy who are suing over illegal immigrants (and their tithes) are feeling the same issues?


11 posted on 04/29/2010 12:57:07 PM PDT by wac3rd (Prepare for the November 2010 Tsunami)
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To: markomalley

So do we replace all the crosses at national cemeteries?

Or do we make these unpatriotic atheists cut the grass around them?

Maybe then they might understand


12 posted on 04/29/2010 12:57:58 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: markomalley
Are Mosques OK?

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"Worn from: 2 April 1943 - Current.

The first Fifth Army design was abandoned at the request of Commanding General Mark Clark who wanted a patch that was more representative of the area in which the Fifth was formed. The second design is an outlined figure of a mosque, represen- tative of Morocco, North Africa, where the army was activated in January 1943. The letter "A" indicates army. From Operation Avalanche -- the invasion of Italy at the Gulf of Salerno -- to its final push across the Po Valley, the Fifth Army engaged in 604 continuous days of combat.

Campaigns: World War II (Naples-Foggia, Anzio, Rome-Arno, North Apennines, Po Valley)."

13 posted on 04/29/2010 12:58:00 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: avacado
"When the government take over of the health care system is 100% complete, you can kiss goodbye hospital names like St. Annes, St. Joseph, etc. It’s coming!"

Every few years, someone files suit trying to change proper city names like San Fransisco and San Diego. And each time, such suits are dismissed, usually on the basis of standing.

So, rest easy. You're far more likely to die in those hospitals because of government incompetence LONG before they're able to change their names.

14 posted on 04/29/2010 12:58:05 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: markomalley

“Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation,”

Ya know, this seems or sounds like a jewish person running an organization attacking Christians again.

We should review his organization website and supporters.


15 posted on 04/29/2010 12:58:43 PM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: markomalley
Mikey Weinstein.... muzzy sympathizer
16 posted on 04/29/2010 1:00:30 PM PDT by Crim
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To: edcoil

“Mikey was named one of the 50 most influential Jews in America by the Forward, one of the nation’s preeminent Jewish publications”

From their website.


17 posted on 04/29/2010 1:00:36 PM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: markomalley

The motto of Fort Carson’s 10th Combat Support Hospital is “IN CRUCE VINCAM” which translates to “I Shall Conquer By The Cross”. And the CSH’s distinctive unit insignia has two *gasp!* crosses on it (one maroon and one white). That would really make their heads explode!

http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Heraldry/ArmyDUISSICOA/ArmyHeraldryUnit.aspx?u=4766


18 posted on 04/29/2010 1:01:04 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction (I can see November from my house.)
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To: edcoil

Here is their site.

http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/


19 posted on 04/29/2010 1:01:43 PM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

>>God will judge America and it won’t be pretty.<<

Hence my tag line that I have used for well over a year.


20 posted on 04/29/2010 1:02:54 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: avacado

To be fair to God, we really should stop pretending that He is welcome in these organization and places.

It’s only the sad truth.


21 posted on 04/29/2010 1:03:42 PM PDT by donna ("I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth." Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: markomalley

That Military Religious Freedom Foundation is the group that demanded, on behalf of muslims in the military, that Franklin Graham and the entire National Day of PRayer Task Force be removed from the event this year at the Pentagon. There’s a thread on FR about that. The founder of the MRFF is virulently anti-Christian.


22 posted on 04/29/2010 1:10:01 PM PDT by JoyjoyfromNJ (Psalm 121)
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To: jcsjcm

There is no such thing as a constitutional requirement for separation of church and state.

There is freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

I believe the term “separation of church and state” was first used by Thomas Jefferson in the early 1800’s in a letter he answered to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut. This Baptist group had originally written Jefferson and asked him if they were free to practice their religion in the new American Republic.


23 posted on 04/29/2010 1:12:00 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I'm voting for Sarah Palin because she pisses off the right people.)
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To: avacado

I have seen little bits of Beck’s Founding Fathers shows. Last night I caught a little of Keith Olbermann as he was making fun of Glen. Olbermann really is just a liar. I am willing to listen to other points of view but not when they lie. Chrissy Matthews is the same way - lies to suit him and they never have anyone on to present the other side. No wonder MSNBC is tanking.


24 posted on 04/29/2010 1:15:41 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: markomalley
It's been a while, but the way I heard it was, the phrase "separation of church and state" was only mentioned in a letter written by Thomas Jefferson, and is nowhere to be found in the Constitution. I'm sure - based on the history of the Church in England - that the "separation" part was meant to keep the government out of religion. The ACLU and other america based commies have said it so many times, now everyone thinks it's in the Constitution.

Now, unless the Constitution has been amended lately, I don't see where the legality of all these anti-Christian lawsuits is coming from.

As I understand it, we have complete freedom of religion, with the government being forbidden to "establish" a religion. I fail to see how that patch, or the inclusion of "Saint" in front a hospital name establishes religion.

How about people named "St. John"...will they be sued and forced to change that to "Mohammed"?

This is strictly ridiculous; they think if they can "ban" all things Christian that we'll run over to "islam" for solace? Well, obamuzzie probably would like that, but it ain't gonna happen...Christians don't run airplanes into buildings, behead people of other religions, or shoot 30 people on an Army base.

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obamuz

"What do you think his presidency is all about...it's more than just Socialism."
25 posted on 04/29/2010 1:16:29 PM PDT by FrankR (Standing up against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future will belong to the tyrants.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
The motto of Fort Carson’s 10th Combat Support Hospital is “IN CRUCE VINCAM” which translates to “I Shall Conquer By The Cross”.

That is absolutely fascinating. I'm sure there's a martial aspect to it, but the faith aspect is that by Christ's sacrifice on the cross, we have received forgiveness of our sins and the promise of everlasting life - thus conquering sin and death.

26 posted on 04/29/2010 1:21:40 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: avacado

Yes, and, hospitals might as well be renamed....Medical Pound....and, release might be achieved, after treatment, only if someone wants you back for performance of some particular job, duty. Oligarchical socialism can really get efficient.

In the very early seventies, the “personnel” sign was present in administrative offices all over the English speaking world...in just one year, “human resources”, that cultural Marxist term, was prevalent and remains ubiquitous. I see the term “Personnel” only in old black and white movies now.

The military probably will fold on this Christian symbol issue too. It would be encouraging if it contested the issue. But then, military chiefs, such as Adm. Mullen, have too many “worries” to even contemplate such issues.

On a larger scale of issue..knee jerk may be in and strategic planning out. Without strategic planning it is difficult to explain to the nation why we are where we are and what the objective is. We do not even have a “Domino” theory offered. Our leaders say only things like “Pulling out will lead to catastrophe!!” Aside from non-visible strategic planning, no post-conflict planning was even asked for in Iraq, and, in the cases of withdrawal from Iraq and Afganistan, withdrawals are always more problematic than entrances and require planning consistent with strategic objectives for successful accomplishment.

The health of the US military may be judged by this symbol issue as being unhealthily mis-guided, as the military is not defending its historical integrity.


27 posted on 04/29/2010 1:23:46 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan eet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: markomalley
"...constitutional requirement for separation of church and state..."


There is no separation of "church and state" in the Constitution. It does forbid the creation of a state religion (such as the Church of England).
28 posted on 04/29/2010 1:28:30 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: markomalley
Change it to a crescent, and the objections will disappear.
29 posted on 04/29/2010 1:30:56 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: markomalley

A religious watchdog group says a cross and motto on the emblem of an Army hospital in Colorado violate the constitutional requirement for separation of church and state and should be removed.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation asked the Army this week to change the emblem of Evans Army Community Hospital at Fort Carson, outside Colorado Springs.

The emblem says “Pro deo et humanitate” or “For God and humanity.”

Pound sand. There is not constitutional requirement for separation of church & state.


30 posted on 04/29/2010 1:30:59 PM PDT by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: ilovesarah2012
How did we let this happen???

By having total apathy towards the machinations of government. Can you spell American Idol? NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB? Sony Playstation? etc., etc. and on and on ad nauseum...

31 posted on 04/29/2010 1:37:44 PM PDT by houeto (Get drinking water from your ditch - http://www.junglebucket.com/Jungle-Bucket-1.htm)
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To: markomalley

Just tell the idiots that it isn’t a cross. It’s a lower case letter T which stands for treatment.


32 posted on 04/29/2010 1:48:56 PM PDT by rfreedom4u ("A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.")
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To: markomalley
violate the constitutional requirement for separation of church and state

Isn't one. Case closed.

33 posted on 04/29/2010 1:51:40 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

The Danbury Baptists had written Thomas Jefferson to complain about the fact that they were required by the State of Connecticut to contribute (via their taxes) to the established church in Connecticut. This was before the 14th Amendment was passed, so while the Federal government could not establish a religion the States were still free to do so. Although they Baptists were reimbursed for the amount of the contribution if they asked, they thought it was wrong. Thomas Jefferson wrote back a letter sympathizing with them and in that context used the phrase “separation of Church and State”.


34 posted on 04/29/2010 1:51:49 PM PDT by RonF
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To: avacado

Yup, erase the history and identity of America and replace it with new age islamo marxist anti American ideals, slogans and symbolism.


35 posted on 04/29/2010 1:55:30 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: RonF

Thank-you for clarifying.

But “separation of church and state”....those words....are not in the Constitution, correct?

The libs want “In God We Trust” removed from our coins, too.


36 posted on 04/29/2010 2:06:35 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I'm voting for Sarah Palin because she pisses off the right people.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Correct. They are not.

The language of the First Amendment says that Congress will not pass any laws regarding the establishment of a religion. That means that the Federal government (and now the states) may not create an established religion. An established religion is one that is favored above others through financial and other support that is not available to other religions. For example, the Church of England is the established religion of Great Britain. It receives financial support from the State. The 26 most senior Bishops (including the Archbishops of Canterbury and York) sit in the House of Lords and vote on legislation as a right of their position in the Church. That is an established religion. We do not have an established religion in the U.S. Putting up a cross on public land to commemorate war dead or “In God We Trust” on our money isn’t creating an established religion either.


37 posted on 04/29/2010 2:29:15 PM PDT by RonF
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To: markomalley

Mikey Weinstein can go take a flying leap!


38 posted on 04/29/2010 2:49:39 PM PDT by MS.BEHAVIN (Women who behave rarely make history)
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To: markomalley

What a sick jerk this mikey is!


39 posted on 04/29/2010 2:52:11 PM PDT by Katarina (God bless ElRushbo and Mark Levin!)
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To: ansel12
It still has that symbol.


40 posted on 04/29/2010 3:09:43 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

tell themit’s a sword or a stake to drive through the hearts of libtard vampires (though it has to be a big stake becuase they have little black hearts leaking bile).


41 posted on 04/29/2010 3:41:15 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: jcsjcm

These people have too much time on their hands. Someone needs to tell them to get a life.


42 posted on 04/29/2010 3:53:20 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama's more worried about Israelis building houses than he is about Islamists building atomic bombs)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
The emblem says "Pro deo et humanitate" or "For God and humanity." ...has been in use since 1969. Wollman said references to doctors serving God and humanity date to the time of Hippocrates, a pre-Christianity Greek physician.

43 posted on 04/29/2010 4:22:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: CIB-173RDABN
“There is no separation of “church and state” in the Constitution. It does forbid the creation of a state religion (such as the Church of England).”

Correct, the constitution does not use the terms “separation of church and state”.

Clarification: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof:” This pertains to a “national” religion.

Massachusetts had a state religion, and it was constitutional to do so.

Even though, Congress was forbidden, the continuous lawsuits, have allowed activist judges to remove religion and push us toward a secular society, which I am getting tired of after more than 60 years of this crap.

Why can't the secularists and atheists quit their proselytizing and pushing their agnostic sects on the majority of the people in the US?

44 posted on 04/29/2010 4:40:47 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

You are correct...on all points.


45 posted on 04/29/2010 4:46:07 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: markomalley

Maybe it will come to the point where Christians will wear crosses on their person, daily, as part of their clothing, NOT just jewelry.

Send the God hating commies batty raging mad.

Enough with this secular nonsense.


46 posted on 04/29/2010 4:48:27 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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Leftists will never stop until they are either defeated - soundly - or they destroy everything that is of value. There is no possibility of compromise, reason, give and take, with them, any more than you can tame a wild boar. Wild boars are peaceable and tame and rational compared to leftists. When are enough people going to get righteously angry? What will it take to stop them?

There is no such thing as "separation of church and state" - and what they mean by it is "An atheist/gay/Muslim loving/secularist/religion repressing (except for Islam of course)/tyranny is what the founders really had in mind".

47 posted on 04/29/2010 5:59:58 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: Clintonfatigued

It’s not that they have too much time.

It’s that their time is dedicated to destruction of all that gives strength and meaning to our country. They are driven. They search out and scour religious symbols to eradicate. They have teams.


48 posted on 04/29/2010 6:01:06 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: little jeremiah

What will it take to stop them?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

We must get the nation’s children out of the grasp of the Marxists and into private conservative schools. We must work to shut down their temples of leftism ( EVERY GOVERNMENT K-12 SCHOOL!)

That will do it.


49 posted on 04/29/2010 6:04:43 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

I agree. Sending children to public school is tantamount to child abuse. They will be indoctrinated. And institutions of higher learning are mostly all pits as well. There used to be a list floating around FR of conservative colleges and universities. Very few. Most are total hellholes of ultra leftism.


50 posted on 04/29/2010 6:12:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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