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Dishwasher soaps must be free of all phosphates by July 1st-Get used to white residue!
April 29, 2010 | Stayfree

Posted on 04/29/2010 4:00:58 PM PDT by Stayfree

My wife has discovered that P&G's Cascade started reformulating in March. And as your chief cook and bottle-washer will soon discover, it is not the dishwasher that is leaving a white residue on all the glassware, it is the lack of phosphates in your favorite dishsoap.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: chat; dishsoap; ecofascism; envirofascism; envirowackos; phosphates; residue; vanity
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Big Brother comes to the rescue of the environmental wackos once again!
1 posted on 04/29/2010 4:00:59 PM PDT by Stayfree
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To: Stayfree

I thought that was just Spokane?


2 posted on 04/29/2010 4:03:13 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: Stayfree

I guess we need to get rid of all ocean water too then.


3 posted on 04/29/2010 4:03:14 PM PDT by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Stayfree

Already used that crap, and it’s just that!


4 posted on 04/29/2010 4:04:12 PM PDT by WestwardHo (Whom the god would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: Stayfree

I wonder then where you can get phosphate to add ...


5 posted on 04/29/2010 4:04:46 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Those That Turn Their Swords into Plows Will Plow For Those That Don't.)
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To: Stayfree

Why I am in favor of phosphates being removed from detergents (the phosphate mines at Bartow, FL are our only national supply):

Phosphorus Famine: The Threat to Our Food Supply
Consumption; Demand; Pricesvox_mundi writes “

As complex as the chemistry of life may be, the conditions for the vigorous growth of plants often boil down to three numbers, say, 19-12-5. Those are the percentages of nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium, prominently displayed on every package of fertilizer. In the 20th century the three nutrients enabled agriculture to increase its productivity and the world’s population to grow more than sixfold. But what is their source? We obtain nitrogen from the air, but we must mine phosphorus and potassium. The world has enough potassium to last several centuries. But phosphorus is a different story. Readily available global supplies may start running out by the end of this century. By then our population may have reached a peak that some say is beyond what the planet can sustainably feed.

Moreover, trouble may surface much sooner. As last year’s oil price swings have shown, markets can tighten long before a given resource is anywhere near its end. And reserves of phosphorus are even less evenly distributed than oil’s, raising additional supply concerns. The U.S. is the world’s second-largest producer of phosphorus (after China), at 19 percent of the total, but 65 percent of that amount comes from a single source: pit mines near Tampa, Fla., which may not last more than a few decades. Meanwhile nearly 40 percent of global reserves are controlled by a single country, Morocco, sometimes referred to as the “Saudi Arabia of phosphorus.” Although Morocco is a stable, friendly nation, the imbalance makes phosphorus a geostrategic ticking time bomb.


6 posted on 04/29/2010 4:09:21 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan eet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: Stayfree

They have reformulated some Cascade already. Look for black stains on your silverware that do not come off.


7 posted on 04/29/2010 4:10:04 PM PDT by Carley (I'll keep clinging to the constitution, my guns and my religion, thank you.)
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To: GeronL
I wondered what the hell was going on !

I switched brands twice and still couldn't get clean dishes.

We're being so overwhelmed by insanity and evil, I'm beginning to feel like one of the prophets ... crying out to God for relief from oppression.

8 posted on 04/29/2010 4:10:23 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: GeronL

I live in the Tri-Cities and when I just went to Costco I looked at the Cascade and saw there is no longer phosphates in it.


9 posted on 04/29/2010 4:10:38 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: SkyDancer
I wonder then where you can get phosphate to add ...

You can buy a cheap package of trisodium phosphate cleaning powder at Home Depot. One brand name is TSP. Or you can buy the oldtime cleaner, Spic'n'span, which has a tsp component. Store it in bottles; it's not expensive to store enough for the rest of your life. Add just a few grains to your dishwasher product each time.

10 posted on 04/29/2010 4:11:14 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (I can see November from my house!)
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To: givemELL

This is such a ubiquitous chemical that there must be plenty of sources from which it could be processed. I think they mines are currently the “only” sources simply because they are cheaper than any of the alternatives, not because there aren’t any alternatives.


11 posted on 04/29/2010 4:11:31 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Albion Wilde

Cool, there’s some TSP in the garage ... just wondering how long that stuff will be on the market ....


12 posted on 04/29/2010 4:13:37 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Those That Turn Their Swords into Plows Will Plow For Those That Don't.)
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To: Stayfree

We have the right to pump as much and as many phosphates into anything we want...what’s this country coming to?


13 posted on 04/29/2010 4:13:47 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks.


14 posted on 04/29/2010 4:13:49 PM PDT by presently no screen name ( Repeal ZeroCare!)
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To: Stayfree

Good move. The stuff is nasty.


15 posted on 04/29/2010 4:15:31 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: SkyDancer

Any hardware store. Trisodium Phosphate, TSP. About $3.00 a pound.

No, I have no idea how much you would have to use, but it wouldn’t be a lot....


16 posted on 04/29/2010 4:16:50 PM PDT by absalom01 (Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Stayfree

I wondered what had changed. Everything in the dishwasher had white residue all over it.


17 posted on 04/29/2010 4:17:42 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberal Logic: Mandatory health insurance is constitutional - enforcing immigration law is not.)
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To: Albion Wilde

That’s it, isn’t it? TSP — thanks. Great idea.


18 posted on 04/29/2010 4:19:07 PM PDT by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: givemELL
prominently displayed on every package of fertilizer...

Not so much. I've been looking for various fertilizers this spring and I cannot find the numbe on most of them. What gives? It's always been there before. I want it to be big and right up front so that it smacks me in the face. I don't want to have to comb through the fine print. I'm not kidding. Even on Miracle Gro, the numbers seem to be missing this year.

19 posted on 04/29/2010 4:20:10 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Stayfree

DemBeav


20 posted on 04/29/2010 4:22:22 PM PDT by FrankR (Standing up against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future will belong to the tyrants.)
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To: Stayfree

Stock up now! They did this in CA didn’t they and they were crossing the borders for phosphate IIRC.


21 posted on 04/29/2010 4:22:46 PM PDT by momincombatboots (Brenda in Iraq, Rabbit in Korea.. Love you both!)
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To: Stayfree

Well, yes... on with better substitute alternatives. Perhaps carbon trading is not so important for survival in the CO2 data corrupted world, while phosphate clearly is, and alternatives are warranted.

However, phosphates must be mined as there are no other ways to get it. Alternatives must encompass only substitutes for phosphates. We need better substitutes than the ones presently used.

Unmentioned are world military uses of phosphates...their use is increasing.

In sum, no alternates for phosphate exist..it is produced only by mining. Only substitutes must be considered and developed. Phosphate cannot be manufactured.


22 posted on 04/29/2010 4:24:58 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan eet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: Stayfree

Time your dishwasher and put about 1/4 cup white vinegar in the rinse...sparkling dishes, I’ve been doing thid for years because we have such hard water, and it’s cheaper than the dishwasher rinses.


23 posted on 04/29/2010 4:26:49 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: Stayfree

Prices of phosphate has doubled in two years, and will double again in short order,
phosphate is too important to be used for the vanity of the middle classes. It will be used to feed your family instead.


24 posted on 04/29/2010 4:28:22 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: givemELL

Ever heard of Julian Simon? Look him up. He devoted much of his life to pointing out (correctly) that every single prediction of impending disaster due to shortage of a particular commodity turned out to be wrong.


25 posted on 04/29/2010 4:28:59 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: givemELL

I think you are speaking about the “Peak Phosphate” theory, which a number of people are supporting. But just a point, Florida is not the only supplier, there a huge mines, for example, in Idaho.


26 posted on 04/29/2010 4:29:03 PM PDT by Aussiebabe
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To: Albion Wilde

One of many many reason I love FR!! A wealth of information, knowlege, and useful hints.

Thank you! And Thank God for Free Republic!


27 posted on 04/29/2010 4:31:05 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Stayfree

Expect EPA storm troopers to be breaking down your door looking for incandescent light bulbs, illegal high flush toilets and now phosphates. I wonder if they will also be asking for our papers?


28 posted on 04/29/2010 4:31:18 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money'" M. Thatcher)
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To: Aussiebabe

Yes. Thanks for info on the Idaho resource. Perhaps we will find more.


29 posted on 04/29/2010 4:32:40 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan eet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: Stayfree

OMG, this is the reason I am having to run the dishwasher twice, first with the detergent and then again just cycle through with water only.


30 posted on 04/29/2010 4:33:13 PM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: givemELL

We’ll never run out of phosphorus.


31 posted on 04/29/2010 4:34:28 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Jewels1091

Thanks, I will try that.


32 posted on 04/29/2010 4:35:45 PM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: givemELL

You’re right. More important things to do with phosphate than wash your dishes.


33 posted on 04/29/2010 4:38:34 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Bahbah

try lemonshine. I have hard water and it works wonders for that residue that gets all over the glasses and inside the dishwasher.


34 posted on 04/29/2010 4:39:06 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: GovernmentShrinker

There is a group that was in Popular science or popular mechanics that had developed a way to process phosphorus out of human waste. The price wasn’t competitive to the mined product, but the technology is there.


35 posted on 04/29/2010 4:43:19 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: RummyChick

Thanks. I was pulling out my glasses and my fingers were sticking to them. Not good.


36 posted on 04/29/2010 4:46:38 PM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: irishjuggler

True, but hindsight never guaranteed a future. It would be nice indeed, if more phosphate were found adequate for all anticipated future needs. Mere discovery of phosphate does not guarantee use as the EPA and other federal agencies have a lid on mining, especially open pit mining as exists with phosphates.


37 posted on 04/29/2010 4:47:13 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan eet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: Stayfree

If you hit Costco in the next few days, you should be able to score a pallet of the old stuff that will keep your dishes sparkling for a century...

Then again, you could always try the old standard elbow grease. Who needs a dishwasher if they have kids??


38 posted on 04/29/2010 4:55:08 PM PDT by Bean Counter (The man who sits on the most exhaulted throne is still seated on his own arse, (Anon))
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To: Stayfree

Yes but with all the dissolved Ritalin and other calming drugs in the water system would that not compansate


39 posted on 04/29/2010 4:55:20 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: The Great RJ

they better not take away my toilet paper!


40 posted on 04/29/2010 5:02:11 PM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: Stayfree

I just checked my dishwasher soap, Finish.

It still lists the phosphates, 8.7% by weight, 1.8 grams per tablet.

I hate Cascade.


41 posted on 04/29/2010 5:04:20 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: absalom01

I just checked my cupboard and I have three boxes of the highly rated Walmart Great Value Dishwashing Detergent. The almost empty box contains phosphorus. The two smaller boxes contain no phosphates.

The box with phosphates says the phosphorus content is 6%.
You could do the math and know how much tri sodium phosphate to add to a non phosphate product.


42 posted on 04/29/2010 5:08:59 PM PDT by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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To: SkyDancer
I wonder then where you can get phosphate to add ...

Your urine. Phosphate's recyclable, but a little complicated and messy...

43 posted on 04/29/2010 5:09:55 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (I don’t trust the reasoning of anyone who writes then when they mean than.)
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To: givemELL
Why I am in favor of phosphates being removed from detergents (the phosphate mines at Bartow, FL are our only national supply):

Really? I wonder why all the commotion about the phosphate mines out by Soda Springs, ID or immediately west of Pocatello, ID. Both sites feed the "Don Plant" of Simplot fertilizer manufacturing in Pocatello.

44 posted on 04/29/2010 5:14:47 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Of course, I am in favor of phosphate use for fertilizers, especially as fertilizers are of increasing importance, worldwide, daily. In the end, one cannot eat soap.


45 posted on 04/29/2010 5:20:52 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan eet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: givemELL
But phosphorus is a different story. Readily available global supplies may start running out by the end of this century. By then our population may have reached a peak that some say is beyond what the planet can sustainably feed.

I suppose really small children and media reporters and newsreaders will buy that Bullshit*, but most educated adults cannot.

Phosphorus is not one of the radioactive elements, so it can't "disappear" or change into another one.

Unless, somehow, all phosphorus is being shot into space after use, I don't see how the world can possible "run out."

Just saying.

*BULLSHIT

46 posted on 04/29/2010 5:21:05 PM PDT by Publius6961 (10% of muslims, the killer murdering radicals, are "only" 140,000,000 of 'em)
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To: Publius6961

Phosphorus is NOT the problem. Phosphorus as phosphate is the problem. Phosphate has to be mined, it cannot be produced in a cost effective manner....and, so our supply of PHOSPHATES is of critical importance, and it appears to be limited, more so than affordable oil.


47 posted on 04/29/2010 5:23:56 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan eet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: Spunky

I stocked up at the Kennewick Costco last fall but am down to one bottle now.


48 posted on 04/29/2010 5:25:32 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Bean Counter

Might be true in some areas of the country but at our Costco they told me I got some of the last pallet last fall.


49 posted on 04/29/2010 5:27:26 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: givemELL

I believe Mosaic and Intrepid mine there.

Then there is the huge POT in Saskatchewan, and many others in Canada.

There are even junior miners just getting started.


50 posted on 04/29/2010 5:30:29 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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