Skip to comments.Dishwasher soaps must be free of all phosphates by July 1st-Get used to white residue!
Posted on 04/29/2010 4:00:58 PM PDT by Stayfree
My wife has discovered that P&G's Cascade started reformulating in March. And as your chief cook and bottle-washer will soon discover, it is not the dishwasher that is leaving a white residue on all the glassware, it is the lack of phosphates in your favorite dishsoap.
I thought that was just Spokane?
I guess we need to get rid of all ocean water too then.
Already used that crap, and it’s just that!
I wonder then where you can get phosphate to add ...
Why I am in favor of phosphates being removed from detergents (the phosphate mines at Bartow, FL are our only national supply):
Phosphorus Famine: The Threat to Our Food Supply
Consumption; Demand; Pricesvox_mundi writes “
As complex as the chemistry of life may be, the conditions for the vigorous growth of plants often boil down to three numbers, say, 19-12-5. Those are the percentages of nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium, prominently displayed on every package of fertilizer. In the 20th century the three nutrients enabled agriculture to increase its productivity and the worlds population to grow more than sixfold. But what is their source? We obtain nitrogen from the air, but we must mine phosphorus and potassium. The world has enough potassium to last several centuries. But phosphorus is a different story. Readily available global supplies may start running out by the end of this century. By then our population may have reached a peak that some say is beyond what the planet can sustainably feed.
Moreover, trouble may surface much sooner. As last years oil price swings have shown, markets can tighten long before a given resource is anywhere near its end. And reserves of phosphorus are even less evenly distributed than oils, raising additional supply concerns. The U.S. is the worlds second-largest producer of phosphorus (after China), at 19 percent of the total, but 65 percent of that amount comes from a single source: pit mines near Tampa, Fla., which may not last more than a few decades. Meanwhile nearly 40 percent of global reserves are controlled by a single country, Morocco, sometimes referred to as the Saudi Arabia of phosphorus. Although Morocco is a stable, friendly nation, the imbalance makes phosphorus a geostrategic ticking time bomb.
They have reformulated some Cascade already. Look for black stains on your silverware that do not come off.
I switched brands twice and still couldn't get clean dishes.
We're being so overwhelmed by insanity and evil, I'm beginning to feel like one of the prophets ... crying out to God for relief from oppression.
I live in the Tri-Cities and when I just went to Costco I looked at the Cascade and saw there is no longer phosphates in it.
You can buy a cheap package of trisodium phosphate cleaning powder at Home Depot. One brand name is TSP. Or you can buy the oldtime cleaner, Spic'n'span, which has a tsp component. Store it in bottles; it's not expensive to store enough for the rest of your life. Add just a few grains to your dishwasher product each time.
This is such a ubiquitous chemical that there must be plenty of sources from which it could be processed. I think they mines are currently the “only” sources simply because they are cheaper than any of the alternatives, not because there aren’t any alternatives.
Cool, there’s some TSP in the garage ... just wondering how long that stuff will be on the market ....
We have the right to pump as much and as many phosphates into anything we want...what’s this country coming to?
Good move. The stuff is nasty.
Any hardware store. Trisodium Phosphate, TSP. About $3.00 a pound.
No, I have no idea how much you would have to use, but it wouldn’t be a lot....
I wondered what had changed. Everything in the dishwasher had white residue all over it.
That’s it, isn’t it? TSP — thanks. Great idea.
Not so much. I've been looking for various fertilizers this spring and I cannot find the numbe on most of them. What gives? It's always been there before. I want it to be big and right up front so that it smacks me in the face. I don't want to have to comb through the fine print. I'm not kidding. Even on Miracle Gro, the numbers seem to be missing this year.
Stock up now! They did this in CA didn’t they and they were crossing the borders for phosphate IIRC.
Well, yes... on with better substitute alternatives. Perhaps carbon trading is not so important for survival in the CO2 data corrupted world, while phosphate clearly is, and alternatives are warranted.
However, phosphates must be mined as there are no other ways to get it. Alternatives must encompass only substitutes for phosphates. We need better substitutes than the ones presently used.
Unmentioned are world military uses of phosphates...their use is increasing.
In sum, no alternates for phosphate exist..it is produced only by mining. Only substitutes must be considered and developed. Phosphate cannot be manufactured.
Time your dishwasher and put about 1/4 cup white vinegar in the rinse...sparkling dishes, I’ve been doing thid for years because we have such hard water, and it’s cheaper than the dishwasher rinses.
Prices of phosphate has doubled in two years, and will double again in short order,
phosphate is too important to be used for the vanity of the middle classes. It will be used to feed your family instead.
Ever heard of Julian Simon? Look him up. He devoted much of his life to pointing out (correctly) that every single prediction of impending disaster due to shortage of a particular commodity turned out to be wrong.
I think you are speaking about the “Peak Phosphate” theory, which a number of people are supporting. But just a point, Florida is not the only supplier, there a huge mines, for example, in Idaho.
One of many many reason I love FR!! A wealth of information, knowlege, and useful hints.
Thank you! And Thank God for Free Republic!
Expect EPA storm troopers to be breaking down your door looking for incandescent light bulbs, illegal high flush toilets and now phosphates. I wonder if they will also be asking for our papers?
Yes. Thanks for info on the Idaho resource. Perhaps we will find more.
OMG, this is the reason I am having to run the dishwasher twice, first with the detergent and then again just cycle through with water only.
We’ll never run out of phosphorus.
Thanks, I will try that.
You’re right. More important things to do with phosphate than wash your dishes.
try lemonshine. I have hard water and it works wonders for that residue that gets all over the glasses and inside the dishwasher.
There is a group that was in Popular science or popular mechanics that had developed a way to process phosphorus out of human waste. The price wasn’t competitive to the mined product, but the technology is there.
Thanks. I was pulling out my glasses and my fingers were sticking to them. Not good.
True, but hindsight never guaranteed a future. It would be nice indeed, if more phosphate were found adequate for all anticipated future needs. Mere discovery of phosphate does not guarantee use as the EPA and other federal agencies have a lid on mining, especially open pit mining as exists with phosphates.
If you hit Costco in the next few days, you should be able to score a pallet of the old stuff that will keep your dishes sparkling for a century...
Then again, you could always try the old standard elbow grease. Who needs a dishwasher if they have kids??
Yes but with all the dissolved Ritalin and other calming drugs in the water system would that not compansate
they better not take away my toilet paper!
I just checked my dishwasher soap, Finish.
It still lists the phosphates, 8.7% by weight, 1.8 grams per tablet.
I hate Cascade.
I just checked my cupboard and I have three boxes of the highly rated Walmart Great Value Dishwashing Detergent. The almost empty box contains phosphorus. The two smaller boxes contain no phosphates.
The box with phosphates says the phosphorus content is 6%.
You could do the math and know how much tri sodium phosphate to add to a non phosphate product.
Your urine. Phosphate's recyclable, but a little complicated and messy...
Really? I wonder why all the commotion about the phosphate mines out by Soda Springs, ID or immediately west of Pocatello, ID. Both sites feed the "Don Plant" of Simplot fertilizer manufacturing in Pocatello.
Of course, I am in favor of phosphate use for fertilizers, especially as fertilizers are of increasing importance, worldwide, daily. In the end, one cannot eat soap.
I suppose really small children and media reporters and newsreaders will buy that Bullshit*, but most educated adults cannot.
Phosphorus is not one of the radioactive elements, so it can't "disappear" or change into another one.
Unless, somehow, all phosphorus is being shot into space after use, I don't see how the world can possible "run out."
Phosphorus is NOT the problem. Phosphorus as phosphate is the problem. Phosphate has to be mined, it cannot be produced in a cost effective manner....and, so our supply of PHOSPHATES is of critical importance, and it appears to be limited, more so than affordable oil.
I stocked up at the Kennewick Costco last fall but am down to one bottle now.
Might be true in some areas of the country but at our Costco they told me I got some of the last pallet last fall.
I believe Mosaic and Intrepid mine there.
Then there is the huge POT in Saskatchewan, and many others in Canada.
There are even junior miners just getting started.