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Posted on 04/29/2010 7:13:52 PM PDT by Abakumov
America won the Vietnam War. You hadn't heard? Then check out "The Politi- cally Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War," Phillip Jennings' new entry in the popular Regnery series. Mr. Jennings wrote the book with a specific purpose: "To settle scores with the pernicious mythmakers of the Vietnam War." These include journalists, politicians and academics, who both created the myths of Vietnam and profited from them. For this group, Mr. Jennings has three words: "Shame on you."
Mr. Jennings' book is a well-researched, brisk review of the central myths of the Vietnam War, set in historical context. It is not a comprehensive history of the war, nor does it claim to be, but an all-out assault on the negative and misleading way in which the war has been portrayed....
This book offers common-sense, factually-based rejoinders to the mythmakers who continue to misrepresent the causes and course of the Vietnam War. It is ready ammunition for anyone faced with defeatist arguments comparing Vietnam to Afghanistan, Iraq or any other conflict. The book is also a public service. Former South Vietnamese Ambassador to the United States Bui Diem said, "History is written by the victors, but over time the truth comes out." This book is part of that continuing process of discovery. There is much yet to be learned - and unlearned - about America's just and heroic involvement in the Vietnam War.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
The U.S. military did not lose in Vietnam. We left.
Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) Complete FBI files:
June, 1970 -- Kerry joins Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), a national veterans group that is part of the Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice. The PCPJ is a broad coalition of local and national organizations, including the Communist Party, USA, "committed to conducting demonstrations aimed at ending the war in Indochina, and poverty, racism and injustice at home." The VVAW, CCI and PCPJ all have headquarters at 156 Fifth Avenue in New York City. VVAW Executive Secretary Al Hubbard, a former Black Panther, is also on the coordinating committee of the PCPJ. Hubbard soon appoints Kerry to the VVAW's Executive Committee, bypassing the normal election process.
"...if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."-J.F. Kerry
"Under questioning from the Committee, Kerry referred to the democratically elected government of South Vietnam -- our allies -- as a "dictatorial regime, the Thieu-Ky-Khiem regime," while respectfully calling the North Vietnamese communist regime we were fighting by its oxymoronic official name, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, and the murderous Viet Cong's political arm by their preferred "Provisional Revolutionary Government.":
This is a joke, right?
Sure, our military won every battle — our politicians lost us the war. It’s still a loss. Now, can we let our vets loose on America’s real enemies — Washington DC?
Do not expect any mea culpas from the peace creeps, however. Without the assurance that they are morally superior to the rest of humanity they wouldn't have any lives at all.
In 1972 they broke those accords and invaded the South. With American advisors, air power and bullets they were sent back across the DMZ with heavy losses.
By 1975 the dem congress had pulled all troops and aid from SV and the Russian/Chinese backed NVA, breaking the accords again, marched into Saigon
For the first time in my adult life I was NOT proud to be an American.
And yes, the real enemy is here. “commander zero” has no plans to win in afghanistan and I expect a scene similar to SV.
Vietnam was not lost - it was thrown away.....
I remember laying awake those nights listening to the radio national news every half hour. As the reports grew worse and worse I couldn’t help but think about all those lives, all that effort, all those taxpayer dollars . . . I think I might have some audio tapes of those reports somewhere in the house
I got it when it came out. I think it is pretty good. Maybe I’ll give it to a veteran friend of mine.
If I remember, he was saying several years ago in this book that we had won. Funny to boot.
I gave it out to all my family and relatives several Christmas’s ago.
The "peace creeps" then, like today, are the communist "anti-war" organizations. Every one of the "peace" groups around today were initiated by one of the three following communist organizations:
Communist Party USA (United for Peace and Justice, also Peace Action)
Workers World Party (ANSWER, TroopsOutNow, May1Coalition)
Revolutionary Communist Party (World Can't Wait, NotInOurName, RefuseAndResist, BushCrimesCommission).
Charges of western media bias in favor of the Communist side have often been made by critics, who see such alleged bias as being crucial in turning military victories by America into a loss of the war, much by means of propaganda. Underlying the importance of such is the often quoted exchange between Colonel Harry G. Summers, Jr. and his North Vietnamese counterpart, Colonel Tu. During one of his liaison trips to Hanoi, Colonel Harry told Tu, "You know, you never beat us on the battlefield," Colonel Tu responded, "That may be so, but it is also irrelevant."
The success of the propaganda war has seemed enigmatic to many. If there is to be an inquiry related to the Vietnam War, it should be into the reasons why enemy propaganda was so widespread in this country, and why the enemy was able to condition the public to such an extent that the best educated segments of our population (that is, media and university elite) gave credence to the most incredible allegations. (Final Report - Chief of Military History - U.S. Government)
British "Encounter" journalist Robert Elegant stated,
For the first time in modern history, the outcome of a war was determined not on the battlefield but on the printed page and television screens - never before Vietnam had the collective policy of the media sought, by graphic and unremitting distortion, the victory of the enemies of the correspondents own side.
Some journalists have admitted that their reporting was decidedly biased, and had profound effects on history. West German correspondent Uwe Siemon-Netto confessed, "Having covered the Viet Nam war over a period of five years for West German publications, I am now haunted by the role we journalists have played over there." In relation to not reporting the true nature of the Hanoi regime and its actions resulting from the American withdrawal, he asked,
What prompted us to make our readers believe that the Communists, once in power in all of Viet Nam, would behave benignly? What made us, first and foremost Anthony Lewis, belittle warnings by U.S. officials that a Communist victory would result in a massacre?... Are we journalists not in part responsible for the death of the tens of thousands who drowned? And are we not in part responsible for the hostile reception accorded to those who survive?...However, the media have been rather coy; they have not declared that they played a key role in the conflict. They have not proudly trumpeted Hanoi's repeated expressions of gratitude to the mass media of the non-Communist world, although Hanoi has indeed affirmed that it could not have won "without the Western press."
CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite regularly carried news reports from its Moscow Bureau Chief, Bernard Redmont. When peace negotiations commenced with North Vietnam in Paris, Redmont became CBS News Paris Bureau Chief. What Redmont never reported during the ten year conflict was, Redmont had been a KGB operative since the 1930s, and member of the notorious Silvermaster group.  Redmont was the only journalist to whom his fellow Comintern party member, and North Vietnamese chief negotiator, Mai Van Bo, granted an interview to bring the Communist point of view into American living rooms in what has been called, "the living room war."
The most manifest example of such biased reporting is held to be the portrayal of the TET offensive, in which western media was charged with inspiring and aiding the propaganda war of the communists.
Truong Nhu Tang stated years later,
The Tet Offensive proved catastrophic to our plans. It is a major irony of the Vietnam War that our propaganda transformed this debacle into a brilliant victory. The truth was that Tet cost us half our forces. Our losses were so immense that we were unable to replace them with new recruits. (Truong Nhu Tang - Minister of Justice - Viet Cong Provisional Revolutionary Government - The New York Review, October 21, 1982)
Note the tagline ...
Wow! Maryland is in 5th place. This little BLUE state is in 5th place.
Come on folks y'all can do better than that!
The lucky ones were picked up by the US Navy, some made land somewhere, many were victims of pirates and many disappeared.
Death at sea was a better fate that what was in store in the socialist paradise.
"As a gesture of solidarity, the Vietnamese who [Bernardine] Dohrn met in Budapest presented her with a ring made from an American aircraft shot down over North Vietnam. Bill Ayers would receive a similar ring while meeting with Vietnamese communists in Toronto. He later recalled being so moved by the gesture that he 'left the room to cry.' "
"It was at the Chicago home of [Bill] Ayers and [Bernardine] Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming 'community organizer,' had his political coming out party in 1995. Not content with this rite of passage in Lefty World where unrepentant terrorists are regarded as progressive luminaries, still working 'only to educate' both Obamas tended to the relationship with the Ayers."
Article: The Company He Keeps:
Meet Obamas circle: The same old America-hating Left
This Vietnam vet says that communist-accomodating politicians lost the war for us,not our military. But I don’t see how it can be called a victory,when our politicians made it possible for the communists to seize South Vietnam. That’s a defeat—a defeat engineered by our treasonous political elites.
"As a response to the leaks, the Nixon administration began a campaign against further leaks and against Ellsberg personally. Aides Egil Krogh and David Young under John Ehrlichman's supervision created the 'White House Plumbers,' which would later lead to the Watergate burglaries."
So what is Daniel Ellsberg up to these days? Well, for one thing, he is an endorser of the Revolutionary Communist Party's "World Can't Wait" movement...
Click on the 'World Can't Wait' link just below and see: "Endorsers of the Call to Drive Out the Bush Regime Include" You may recognize a few other names as well, including the democrat chair of the House Judiciary Committee, John Conyers Jr. Conyers' name appears right after Ward Churchill's.
Endorsers of the [World Can't Wait] Call to Drive Out the Bush Regime Include:
James Abourezk, Aris Anagnos, Rocky Anderson, Anti-Flag, Edward Asner, Russell Banks, Ed Begley Jr., Harry Belafonte, St. Clair Bourne, Gabriel Byrne, Margaret Cho, Ward Churchill, Paulette Cole, US Rep John Conyers Jr., John Densmore, Jesse Diaz Jr., Michael Eric Dyson, Steve Earle, Niles Eldredge, Daniel Ellsberg, Eve Ensler, Laura Flanders, Jane Fonda, Martin Garbus, Senator Mike Gravel, Andre Gregory, Sam Hamill, Suheir Hammad, Rev. Jesse L. Jackson Jr., Mumia Abu-Jamal, Rickie Lee Jones, Sarah Jones, Brig. Gen. (Ret) Janis Karpinski, Jonathan Kozol, Rabbi Michael Lerner, US Rep. Cynthia McKinney, Robin Meyers, Mark Crispin Miller, Tom Morello, Viggo Mortensen, John Nichols, US Rep. Major Owens, Grace Paley, Harvey Pekar, Sean Penn, Michelle Phillips, Harold Pinter, Michael Ratner, Mark Ruffalo, US Rep. Bobby Rush, Susan Sarandon, Richard Serra, Jeff Sharlet, Rev. Al Sharpton, Cindy Sheehan, Martin Sheen, Nancy Spero, Gloria Steinem, Lynne Stewart, Serj Tankian, Sunsara Taylor, Studs Terkel, Gore Vidal, Kurt Vonnegut, Alice Walker, Naomi Wallace, US Rep. Maxine Waters, Cornel West, Ann Wright, Howard Zinn, and thousands more who have already joined us.
World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime is a Maoist-revolutionary movement organized by the Revolutionary Communist Party. (scroll down the list that appears (after clicking link) to find the World Can't Wait organization --rwor.org is the website of the Revolutionary Communist Party):
From David Horowitz's FrontpageMag.com /DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
Profile: World Can't Wait (WCW)
*Revolutionary communist movement that stages protests against the Bush administration
*Organizes college and high-school students
*Founded in June 2005 by Charles Clark Kissinger, a longtime leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party
From poster Marcus on http://www.militaryhistory.org/2009/05/vietnam-american-military-victory-or-defeat/
American soldiers fleeing onto helicopters - The war was over when this happened. The war ended in 1973 with a treaty between the US, N. Vietnamese, and an umbrella group representing the S. Vietnamese and partisans. After the war was over, there were no fewer than four attempts by the N. Vietnamese to sneak back across the border and follow through on their plan to seize S. Vietnam the way they had wanted in 1965. Each time the US bombed them back across the border. The 1975 fall of Saigon, the N. Vietnamese moved back into Hue and waited for about two weeks. When Ford did nothing, they began their attack. The residual force that the US still had (about 1,000) withdrew back to the embassy. Now, the whole scrambling aboard choppers and pushing them off the carriers. All US personnel were out in about two hours. They were pushing choppers off the ship because there were so many S. Viets trying to flee, that they were jumping on the choppers, overloading them, and choppers were landing on the carriers with no fuel, they couldnt be moved, and space had to be made or else the next choppers was not going to have room, and would crash either into the water or onto the flight deck, killing the pilots and refugess, thus the men were ordered to push the choppers into the ocean to make room for these refugee flights. Also, many, many S. Viets were overloading boats, trying to get to the US Navy. In other words, the war had been over almost two years when this happened.
Actual battlefield dead statistics from the N. Vietnamese. In 1966 they took over 90,000 dead. During Tet 68 they took over 40,000 confirmed casualties in less than 24 hours. In 1966, The US had toe-holds in Da Nang and Longh Binh and Saigon. In 1967-68, the control had expanded and there was now fierce fighting in cities and towns. By 1969-70, GIs could travel freely throughout the Mekong during the day hours without weapons. Also, by this time the VC (even according to Giap) had been annihilated. By 1971-73, the US had to go out into the mountains looking for the N. Viets. In 1973, the treaty was signed, the war was over, S. Vietnam remained soveriegn (the USs ultimate goal), and the US went home, leaving behind a residual force of about 2,000, who were gradually rotating home. By 1975 there were about 1,000 left who were slated to go home that year. 18 months later, the N. Viets broke the treaty for the fifth time and took Saigon.
In response to Ap Bac, I would ask about the special forces fighting in the A Shau, when 13 Americans and about 100 Montagnards destroyed over ten Russian tanks, and collected a confirmed count of 1,000+ dead N. Viets before evacuating. Or Longh Binh when the VC were destroyed. Operation Hastings.
Based on minutes we have from meetings between Ho, Giap, and other top brass, in 1967 there was a large conference. All of them acknowledged they were losing the war. There were two plans put forth. Fall back and fight guerilla. But Giap said no to that. He decided that there must be a sweeping offensive across the country that could push the Americans back and cause a political firestrom in the US. The funny thing is, Westmoreland had them played. He knew a large offensive was coming. The first three hours caught the American forces off-guard. The invasion of Saigon which was actually twelve sappers who killed two Marines, and Cronkites idiotic broadcast were so premature. By the end of the day the N. Viets had been slapped hard. Again, in minutes from meetings after the fact, they top Viet brass admits this, conceeding that Hue would also be lost soon. And Khe Sanh.
But what Giap hoped would be a great victory was the most decisive, crushing defeat that is possible in military matters. But because of premature and self-righteous broadcasts, it sparked a firestorm in the US. The Viets were systematically driven back from the very edges of the Da Nang perimeter to hiding in the A Shau valley. At no one year in the war did the Viets ever make gains against the US.
And last but not least the US pulled out because a peace treaty was signed. The images of Saigon happened two years later.
I heard earlier today that it is the 35th anniversary of the fall of Saigon. I remember being 14 and sitting in front of th TV crying at what I was seeing. I think that is really the first time I realized really that the rest of the world was not like the USA.
And then there was the horrible C-5A plane crash of the orphans, around that time.
After we had won militarily. The Dems tried to do it again in Iraq, take a war that had been won and turn it into a loss. They may still do that.
On the other hand, as Sun Tzu and other theorists will tell you, the definition of winning a war isn't necessarily who won all the military victories, but who won the political battle when all was said and done. In that respect, North Vietnam may be said to have won (or the alliance of Soviets, Chinese, North Vietnam and global communism won) through manipulation of the American media, Congress, and Democrat party into siding with the communist side and withdrawing from the conflict.
Ironically, I had a Vietnamese gf here in the 1990’s who’s family did just that. It was bonechilling to listen to them tell the story of escape in a brother’s boat, not knowing what was going to happen. Fortunately Ford had dispatched US ships to search for refugees and they were rescued.
My gf was in Canada at the time and went for a long while not knowing what happened to her family.
I was 15 and I remember being real pissed off that we were letting the place fall to the commies. I didn’t think Ford would just let it happen. I guess he figured his hands were tied by Congress.
The Vietnam war was not worth the loss of so many lives.
Ford was an idiot, he didn’t think the Soviets dominated Poland.
Dang! She was on of the lucky ones. That was one of the most shameful periods in US history.
Indeed. Hearing the fall of Saigon on the radio and then 20 years later, hearing personal stories face to face . . .memorable.
Put the blame where it belongs, the politicians. The people that ran America and ran the military.
From JFK to Nixon, and the Congress and Senate, and the Supreme Court, it was like everyone over fifty went insane from 1959 to 1979.
It was bizarre.
The Vietnam (to them, the American) War yet goes on. Only the theater has changed. Go there and see it for yourself.
If we ultimately win the War On Terror I’m convinced that Vietnam will dump communism and become the dominant Asian powerhouse so fully within its potential.
If we lose the WOT then America will be finished, and the world will become darker and darker.
ASA Vet and others with boots on the ground reality know that we didn’t lose in the TET offensive nor did we lose the war.
The pro communist/hate Americans in our mass media and in congress made Americans believe that we lost the war.
They, also, turned loose a wave of hatred for those of us in uniform (active or reserve duty) during that time. John Kerry, Jane Fonda, Ted Kennedy were the leaders of the hate Americans in the military at that time.
“Can you imagine piling into a little boat and heading out to sea, to anywhere else because, because you knew what the evil bastards were going to do to you and yours and anything was better than that? The lucky ones were picked up by the US Navy, some made land somewhere, many were victims of pirates and many disappeared.”
Death at sea was a better fate that what was in store in the socialist paradise.”
We know two young Viet Namese Ladies in their late 30’s. They don’t remember their parents escaping Nam with them and other family members and heading to sea in small boats. They have heard their parents and older relatives tell about those horrible times.
Apparently their families and they were picked up at sea, and they ended up in California. None of their relatives nor they ever were on welfare.
Last year one of the young ladies went back to Nam to visit relatives, who didn’t escape. She doesn’t want to talk about it, but she had some severe health problems after her trip. We feel that she had some type of PTS triggered by her trip back. She will not go back as long as the communists are still in charge.
Why is it that I can remember stuff from 40+ years ago, but can't remember yesterday?
“Why is it that I can remember stuff from 40+ years ago, but can’t remember yesterday?”
What is it you are talking about?:)
If you remember let me know.:)
Oops, I forgot about you Navy Airdale NSG types.