Skip to comments.Phony track worker rigs subway terror scare in bizarre cyanide suicide try
Posted on 04/30/2010 11:05:42 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
A phony track worker triggered a terror scare inside a lower Manhattan subway tunnel Friday morning - but he turned out to be a despondent college student who wanted to kill himself by ingesting sodium cyanide, police said.
A 20-year-old Pace University student who has been on the school's Dean's List told police he wanted to find a discreet alcove, mix the cyanide pellets with water and ingest it.
"He did not want to be found," said Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne, the NYPD's top spokesman.
"He had no ID on him. He was looking for some isolated place in the system."
The pellets, commercially sold and typically used to clean jewelry, can create a noxious gas when heated.
The suspect did have five flares in his backpack -- along with two liters of water and a quart container of cyanide - but police said the flares could not produce the heat needed to cause any damage.
"This was not a terrorist plot," Browne said. "We believe it was part of a plan for an individual to kill himself alone."
NYC Transit employees on a work train spotted him at 5:30 a.m. in the tunnel connecting the Borough Hall station, in Brooklyn, and the Bowling Green station in lower Manhattan.
The suspect was dressed as a track worker - wearing a hard hat, reflective vest and knee-high boots - but he had no work identification on him, so the employees brought him aboard the train, and police were notified.
He admitted to police he was depressed and wanted to end his life - not kill anyone else. He was still being questioned Friday morning.
Perhaps they are right that the flares wouldn't cause enough heat, but given the amount of trash in those tunnels I'm assuming he could have easily found enough fuel to start a fire strong enough to create the heat necessary...
Emperor Bloomberg doesn’t want the truth to get out. If this kid wanted to kill himself, he could jump off the GW Bridge like the other fruit loops do.
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R4F: I ended up posting the article I found about it at the NY Daily News. It contains more information than the AP reports...
I do NOT buy the “suicide only” story.
Agreed — a million ways to do so without going to the hassle of dressing as a subway worker and carrying such a large amount of cyanide.
It would seem to me that someone who wanted to kill themself could find an easier way to do it.
True, but not quite the same article...
Thank you for the link though — it’s good to be able to link various versions of what the MSM is putting out.
You and me both... Why go to so much trouble of dressing as a worker and accessing the tunnels? Easier ways not to be found, also...
Subway tube prevents gas dispersal; poison is concentrated and WAY more lethal; same deal as the 1993 Tokyo subway sarin gas attack.
Worker gear and flares would convince the subway driver to stop and wait, then everyone dies while waiting for the “accident” to clear —fumes are concentrated.
Clearly an attack attempt —muzzie likely.
Yep, that’s what I’m thinking as well... I sure hope the LEOs are (behind the scenes obviously) NOT buying this kid’s story.
No, nothing fishy about this at all. Just some poor chap upset over a breakup...you know how sensitive these kids can be.
Wanna bet the student’s name is Mohammed?
I always thought that, in general, suicidal people didn’t have the energy to plan elaborate things.
We'll likely never know.
A bottle of Tylenol could do it.
Wandering through the tunnels and getting knifed by one of the subway dwelling homeless could do it. Jumping into a rat's nest down there could also do it.
Jumping onto the tracks and getting electrocuted by a third rail.
Don't need to go into a subway to die from cyanide.
Don't even need to heat it up, just ingest it.
Why can’t people just off themselves without inconveniencing the rest of us?
Exactly — and you sure as heck don’t need a QUART of it!
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I’m hoping this lame story is merely inept lying. If authorities really do believe what they’re spouting in this article, and the man actually “convinced police that his plan was to kill himself in an isolated spot by swallowing the chemicals”, NYC is in deep kimchi.
Like you said, why go to the trouble of dressing as a worker and accessing the tunnels? Even if they could somehow rationalize a QUART of cyanide for a suicide—which is ridiculous—who carries flares when trying to NOT draw attention? That’s freakin what they’re for!
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Same... I honestly can’t imagine NYPD buying this story.
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My thoughts as well.
He could have just jumped in front of Jesse Jackson on his way to AZ........
Emperor Bloomberg doesnt want the truth to get out. If this kid wanted to kill himself, he could jump off the GW Bridge like the other fruit loops do.
2 posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 2:07:52 PM by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09—The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13—Change we can look forward to)
There is a reason his name and ethinicity is left out. But Bloomberg did just yesterday say, he wants the illegal aliens that are invading America, to come to NY....
So what’s his name, they seem to have omitted that. What’s his ethnic background? If he’s islamic, there is no way that story is true, given the amounts of sodium cyanide he had.
See the post right below yours... The man’s name as reported in the WSJ is Aaron Fetto. I looked him up on FB, and there is nothing that immediately jumps out in regards to Muslim connections — doesn’t mean there isn’t... Just that if there are it’s not an obvious connection.
I sure hope the FBI or Homeland Security is involved in some capacity though. He could be a “lily white” patsy like the OU Bomber, or McVeigh.
Please note that a lighter was also found. The flares couldn’t cause the heat necessary ALONE, but as I said above — there is more than enough in those tunnels to build a fire that WOULD turn those pellets into a toxic gas.
I should say that even if he’s NOT Islamic I don’t believe the suicide story due to the amount of sodium cyanide ANYWAY. A very plausible scenario involving a fire in the tunnel, using the flares to stop the train and the fumes infiltrating the subway cars has been speculated about by another FReeper above. I’d say that scenario is MUCH more likely than some “suicide” attempt.
I would guess that the “water” he carried was hydrochloric acid. Mixed with the sodium cyanide he carried it would produce large quantities of cyanide gas.
Flares to stop the train?
Suicide attempt my ass.
Some of the reports say that the canister was handed over to an agency for testing. I wonder if they did the same with the “water” bottles... Easy to test that with a PH strip though (if I’m remembering my chemistry well enough).
Suicide bomber is more like it.
Ping and here’s another article from the NY Post with more info:
You don’t go through the trouble of having workgear, safety vests, flares, etc. when you’re trying to kill yourself. He may well have been suicidal, but in my opinion, that was part of his mission. It is not stated whether he had a respirator. This guy had a QUART of cyanide, several water bottles, Inside a backpack he was carrying: “investigators found a quart-sized bottle of Sodium Cyanide tablets, five road flares and several bottles of water, police said.”
Bowling Green station is very busy...Wall Street, downtown, etc. Fire on the Boston subway line yesterday?
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That’s what I was wondering about as well. Someone up above speculated a much more likely scenario than any suicide attempt.
Thanks Liberty Rocks for ping to this thread:
Thanks RDTF for posting this thread:
I’ll look at both after lunch and COFFEE.
Thanks. I haven’t had time to do a lot of searching on his name. I’m guessing the ENV 112 is the name of the course he was taking at the time the post was made... However, that’s just a guess. They do have that course at PACE.
I guess I was correct that his “fandom” of the RNC was for irony, or “trolling” purposes...
I do note that the post was made a year ago... Perhaps someone changed his mind on the efficacy of violence???
Just checked out that Mohamed Fetto — he is overseas by all appearances. NOT in New York.
I looked through several pages of Aaron’s friends list, and saw a good cross-section of people of all types. Unlike others I’ve looked at there is no large group of predominantly Muslim named friends on his list. (And, if there WERE, they may have removed themselves as soon as they heard of his plans, or his name was revealed).
Just saying: If you looked up my real name on FB I know there are at least 6 accounts for my name alone, and I don’t know how many for folks with my last name (especially if you looked in Poland).
It is interesting to speculate on this, but I’m not seeing the same “definitely Islamic” signs as, for instance, when I researched the OU Bombing.
Not ruling it out, but I’d bet this guy was more of a liberal environmental nut — then again, most liberals sympathize with the terrorists anyway, so who knows.
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What were the flares for? To make sure he didn’t get hit by a train? When he was supposedly there to commit suicide?
Who knows. Maybe he’s just some totally irrational kid, and suicide really was all he had in mind. But I want him publicly identified, so we can decide for ourselves. None of this HIPPA privacy BS, not releasing information because he’s mentally ill.
I think it’s post #44 where I put up an excerpted article from the WSJ. We’ve got the kid’s name now... Still interesting.
From some digging that FReeper WTD has done it appears he may be an environmentalist. Most likely NOT directly associated with Islamic Extremists, but one never knows, really.
I’m still not buying the suicide story... Just don’t know what his real motive is here.
Shoot... Make that post #29 for the WSJ report.
Yeah, I saw the name posted further down. Sounds like just a seriously screwed up kid, which may explain why some of his gear doesn’t make sense. The NY Post article quoted an unnamed dormmate as saying he was nice, but “weird” and “socially awkward”. He may have schizophrenia or some other psychotic disorder that either recently worsened, or meds stopped working. Elaborate plans that don’t make any sense are pretty typical of schizophrenics.
All good points you bring up. There are a few scenarios that would make sense, but unlike the OU Bombing there are no red flags jumping out at me right now... I just hope our LEOs are not leaving any stone unturned.
He wanted to kill himself: True
He didn’t want to be found: True
He wanted to kill many others: Left out
It wasn’t a terrorist attempt: Lie
Thank you Ministry of Truth.