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Phony track worker rigs subway terror scare in bizarre cyanide suicide try
NY Daily News ^ | April 30, 2010 | ROCCO PARASCANDOLA

Posted on 04/30/2010 11:05:42 AM PDT by LibertyRocks

A phony track worker triggered a terror scare inside a lower Manhattan subway tunnel Friday morning - but he turned out to be a despondent college student who wanted to kill himself by ingesting sodium cyanide, police said.

A 20-year-old Pace University student who has been on the school's Dean's List told police he wanted to find a discreet alcove, mix the cyanide pellets with water and ingest it.

"He did not want to be found," said Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne, the NYPD's top spokesman.

"He had no ID on him. He was looking for some isolated place in the system."

The pellets, commercially sold and typically used to clean jewelry, can create a noxious gas when heated.

The suspect did have five flares in his backpack -- along with two liters of water and a quart container of cyanide - but police said the flares could not produce the heat needed to cause any damage.

"This was not a terrorist plot," Browne said. "We believe it was part of a plan for an individual to kill himself alone."

NYC Transit employees on a work train spotted him at 5:30 a.m. in the tunnel connecting the Borough Hall station, in Brooklyn, and the Bowling Green station in lower Manhattan.

The suspect was dressed as a track worker - wearing a hard hat, reflective vest and knee-high boots - but he had no work identification on him, so the employees brought him aboard the train, and police were notified.

He admitted to police he was depressed and wanted to end his life - not kill anyone else. He was still being questioned Friday morning.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aaronfetto; cyanide; cyanidepellets; fetto; flares; jewelry; newyork; ny; sowhatshisname; subway; tunnel
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For some reason I am NOT buying the "I only wanted to kill myself" defense. One doesn't need THAT MUCH cyanide to merely kill oneself... It only takes a VERY SMALL amount (remember the Tylenol poisonings).

Perhaps they are right that the flares wouldn't cause enough heat, but given the amount of trash in those tunnels I'm assuming he could have easily found enough fuel to start a fire strong enough to create the heat necessary...

1 posted on 04/30/2010 11:05:42 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: LibertyRocks

Emperor Bloomberg doesn’t want the truth to get out. If this kid wanted to kill himself, he could jump off the GW Bridge like the other fruit loops do.


2 posted on 04/30/2010 11:07:52 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09--The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13--Change we can look forward to)
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To: Ready4Freddy; Cindy

[Ping to you Cindy...]

R4F: I ended up posting the article I found about it at the NY Daily News. It contains more information than the AP reports...

I do NOT buy the “suicide only” story.


3 posted on 04/30/2010 11:08:12 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks
Posted already over here.

4 posted on 04/30/2010 11:09:01 AM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Agreed — a million ways to do so without going to the hassle of dressing as a subway worker and carrying such a large amount of cyanide.


5 posted on 04/30/2010 11:09:02 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks

It would seem to me that someone who wanted to kill themself could find an easier way to do it.


6 posted on 04/30/2010 11:09:38 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: pyx

True, but not quite the same article...
Thank you for the link though — it’s good to be able to link various versions of what the MSM is putting out.


7 posted on 04/30/2010 11:10:57 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: brytlea

You and me both... Why go to so much trouble of dressing as a worker and accessing the tunnels? Easier ways not to be found, also...


8 posted on 04/30/2010 11:12:20 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks

Subway tube prevents gas dispersal; poison is concentrated and WAY more lethal; same deal as the 1993 Tokyo subway sarin gas attack.

Worker gear and flares would convince the subway driver to stop and wait, then everyone dies while waiting for the “accident” to clear —fumes are concentrated.

Clearly an attack attempt —muzzie likely.


9 posted on 04/30/2010 11:14:21 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Yep, that’s what I’m thinking as well... I sure hope the LEOs are (behind the scenes obviously) NOT buying this kid’s story.


10 posted on 04/30/2010 11:16:17 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks

No, nothing fishy about this at all. Just some poor chap upset over a breakup...you know how sensitive these kids can be.


11 posted on 04/30/2010 11:18:04 AM PDT by diplomatic_immunity
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To: gaijin

Wanna bet the student’s name is Mohammed?


12 posted on 04/30/2010 11:19:19 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09--The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13--Change we can look forward to)
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To: LibertyRocks

I always thought that, in general, suicidal people didn’t have the energy to plan elaborate things.


13 posted on 04/30/2010 11:19:58 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
Wanna bet the student’s name is Mohammed?

We'll likely never know.

14 posted on 04/30/2010 11:23:41 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (The only moral use of violence is in retaliation against those who initiate its use.)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
It's a lot of effort to go through just to die.

A bottle of Tylenol could do it.

Wandering through the tunnels and getting knifed by one of the subway dwelling homeless could do it. Jumping into a rat's nest down there could also do it.

Jumping onto the tracks and getting electrocuted by a third rail.

Don't need to go into a subway to die from cyanide.

Don't even need to heat it up, just ingest it.

15 posted on 04/30/2010 11:25:35 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The hysteria of Matthewsism and Andersonism has led to a Tea Party Scare that is unAmerican.)
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To: LibertyRocks

Why can’t people just off themselves without inconveniencing the rest of us?


16 posted on 04/30/2010 11:25:36 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: a fool in paradise

Exactly — and you sure as heck don’t need a QUART of it!


17 posted on 04/30/2010 11:26:41 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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18 posted on 04/30/2010 11:27:18 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR.......Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: LibertyRocks

I’m hoping this lame story is merely inept lying. If authorities really do believe what they’re spouting in this article, and the man actually “convinced police that his plan was to kill himself in an isolated spot by swallowing the chemicals”, NYC is in deep kimchi.

Like you said, why go to the trouble of dressing as a worker and accessing the tunnels? Even if they could somehow rationalize a QUART of cyanide for a suicide—which is ridiculous—who carries flares when trying to NOT draw attention? That’s freakin what they’re for!


19 posted on 04/30/2010 11:30:08 AM PDT by Eroteme
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Thanks BTLD! Sending in a donation TODAY, myself! Praise God I’m finally able to do so! :)


20 posted on 04/30/2010 11:34:16 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Eroteme

Same... I honestly can’t imagine NYPD buying this story.


21 posted on 04/30/2010 11:35:54 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks

Thank you LibertyRocks!!


22 posted on 04/30/2010 11:36:46 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR.......Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
>> Emperor Bloomberg doesn’t want the truth to get out.

>> If this kid wanted to kill himself, he could jump off the GW Bridge like the other fruit loops do

No, no, no. He should have consumed salt and trans-fats.
23 posted on 04/30/2010 11:40:08 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

VERY happy to be able to do so!!! Don’t know where I’d be without my FR family! :)


24 posted on 04/30/2010 11:43:35 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks
For some reason I am NOT buying the "I only wanted to kill myself" defense. One doesn't need THAT MUCH cyanide to merely kill oneself... It only takes a VERY SMALL amount (remember the Tylenol poisonings).

My thoughts as well.

25 posted on 04/30/2010 11:47:19 AM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: LibertyRocks
Seems to me...the guy went to a lot of trouble to attempt to kill himself.

He could have just jumped in front of Jesse Jackson on his way to AZ........

26 posted on 04/30/2010 11:51:41 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Emperor Bloomberg doesn’t want the truth to get out. If this kid wanted to kill himself, he could jump off the GW Bridge like the other fruit loops do.

2 posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 2:07:52 PM by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09—The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13—Change we can look forward to)


There is a reason his name and ethinicity is left out. But Bloomberg did just yesterday say, he wants the illegal aliens that are invading America, to come to NY....


27 posted on 04/30/2010 11:53:32 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: LibertyRocks

So what’s his name, they seem to have omitted that. What’s his ethnic background? If he’s islamic, there is no way that story is true, given the amounts of sodium cyanide he had.


28 posted on 04/30/2010 12:00:19 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Freddd; All
The man who has been arrested in connection with this is named Aaron Fetto. I've looked at his profile over on FB, but most of it is private. I'm not seeing anything among his friends there that would indicate ties to Muslims, however, that doesn't mean that there definitely wasn't.

I do notice he's a "fan" of the RNC -- however, I also know many of my liberal & some libertarian acquaintances and former classmates are "fans" of that page as well for the purpose of keeping an eye on the "enemy" in their eyes...

Watch for the MSM to seize on that though and try to paint him as a conservative.

From the WSJ Blogs:

EXCERPTED -- READ THE WHOLE REPORT HERE:
NYPD Arrest Man Found in Subway with Sodium Cyanide
By Sean Gardiner and Joel Stonington

< snip >

Metropolitan Transportation Authority workers riding in the tunnel to pick up garbage spotted Aaron Fetto, 20, dressed in a hardhat, reflective vest and yellow, knee-length boots around 5:30 a.m. walking in the tunnel south of Bowling Green heading toward Brooklyn, said Paul Browne, the New York Police Department’s spokesman.

< snip >

Inside Fetto’s backpack, detectives found two one-liter bottles of water, five road flares, a lighter and a quart-sized can with a “sodium cyanide” label.

The Department of Environmental Protection was called in, as were officers from the NYPD’s Emergency Services Unit who searched the tracks, but found nothing.

The can was taken to a mobile lab downtown where officers in protective hazardous materials suits opened the can and discovered what they believe were sodium cyanide tablets, Browne said. Sodium cyanide is a highly toxic salt most commonly used as a pesticide. When heated it emits toxic fumes but is not an explosive.



Browne said the police believe his story and have ruled out terrorism, but charges against Fetto are pending.
29 posted on 04/30/2010 12:08:58 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Secret Agent Man

See the post right below yours... The man’s name as reported in the WSJ is Aaron Fetto. I looked him up on FB, and there is nothing that immediately jumps out in regards to Muslim connections — doesn’t mean there isn’t... Just that if there are it’s not an obvious connection.

I sure hope the FBI or Homeland Security is involved in some capacity though. He could be a “lily white” patsy like the OU Bomber, or McVeigh.


30 posted on 04/30/2010 12:10:52 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: All

ALL:
Please note that a lighter was also found. The flares couldn’t cause the heat necessary ALONE, but as I said above — there is more than enough in those tunnels to build a fire that WOULD turn those pellets into a toxic gas.


31 posted on 04/30/2010 12:17:43 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I should say that even if he’s NOT Islamic I don’t believe the suicide story due to the amount of sodium cyanide ANYWAY. A very plausible scenario involving a fire in the tunnel, using the flares to stop the train and the fumes infiltrating the subway cars has been speculated about by another FReeper above. I’d say that scenario is MUCH more likely than some “suicide” attempt.


32 posted on 04/30/2010 12:20:06 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks

I would guess that the “water” he carried was hydrochloric acid. Mixed with the sodium cyanide he carried it would produce large quantities of cyanide gas.

Flares to stop the train?

Suicide attempt my ass.


33 posted on 04/30/2010 12:24:58 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: EEDUDE

Some of the reports say that the canister was handed over to an agency for testing. I wonder if they did the same with the “water” bottles... Easy to test that with a PH strip though (if I’m remembering my chemistry well enough).


34 posted on 04/30/2010 12:37:29 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks

Suicide bomber is more like it.


35 posted on 04/30/2010 12:42:57 PM PDT by Carley (I'll keep clinging to the constitution, my guns and my religion, thank you.)
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To: LibertyRocks; nw_arizona_granny; Oorang; Velveeta

Ping and here’s another article from the NY Post with more info:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/pace_student_found_with_poison_cops_HnYnfWF1KZyj4goK6hFEgM

You don’t go through the trouble of having workgear, safety vests, flares, etc. when you’re trying to kill yourself. He may well have been suicidal, but in my opinion, that was part of his mission. It is not stated whether he had a respirator. This guy had a QUART of cyanide, several water bottles, Inside a backpack he was carrying: “investigators found a quart-sized bottle of Sodium Cyanide tablets, five road flares and several bottles of water, police said.”


36 posted on 04/30/2010 1:10:06 PM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: milford421

Bowling Green station is very busy...Wall Street, downtown, etc. Fire on the Boston subway line yesterday?


37 posted on 04/30/2010 1:13:05 PM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: milford421

Thanks much! Sorry I didn’t ping you directly! Busy day for me here...
[Nasty storm coming in as I write this. Under a tornado watch right now... We’re FINALLY we’re getting some good rain — however the winds are too strong for my taste... Worst part should be here in a few minutes. This is the FIRST real storm of the SEASON up here! ]


38 posted on 04/30/2010 1:51:21 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: milford421

That’s what I was wondering about as well. Someone up above speculated a much more likely scenario than any suicide attempt.


39 posted on 04/30/2010 1:51:59 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks; RDTF

Thanks Liberty Rocks for ping to this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2504021/posts

#

Thanks RDTF for posting this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2504001/posts

I’ll look at both after lunch and COFFEE.


40 posted on 04/30/2010 1:55:38 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: LibertyRocks
"Obama has been my second choice since the primaries," political science major Aaron Fetto said. via October 2008 PACE Press article titled "Presidential debate viewing continues" Also, re Facebook See this listing of 'Fetto' Facebook accounts. Note that Mohamed Fetto is the first account. Aaron Fetto is the last on the page.
41 posted on 04/30/2010 2:00:14 PM PDT by wtd
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To: LibertyRocks
FWIW: Anonymous said... What are we to garner from such acts? That violence is perfectly acceptable, just as long as you really, really believe in your cause? If we were to tolerate ALF/ELF's terrorism, it would seem only fair then that we accept as legitimate the various violent acts of Ted Kaczinski, abortion clinic bombers, and any number of other terrorists with strong convictions. To condone any of this violent "protest" would set a disgusting precedent. To condone the violence of ELF/ALF alone would be pure hypocrisy. -Aaron Fetto ENV 112 March 01, 2009 2:24 PM
42 posted on 04/30/2010 2:00:14 PM PDT by wtd
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To: wtd

Thanks. I haven’t had time to do a lot of searching on his name. I’m guessing the ENV 112 is the name of the course he was taking at the time the post was made... However, that’s just a guess. They do have that course at PACE.

I guess I was correct that his “fandom” of the RNC was for irony, or “trolling” purposes...

I do note that the post was made a year ago... Perhaps someone changed his mind on the efficacy of violence???


43 posted on 04/30/2010 2:14:08 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: wtd

Just checked out that Mohamed Fetto — he is overseas by all appearances. NOT in New York.

I looked through several pages of Aaron’s friends list, and saw a good cross-section of people of all types. Unlike others I’ve looked at there is no large group of predominantly Muslim named friends on his list. (And, if there WERE, they may have removed themselves as soon as they heard of his plans, or his name was revealed).

Just saying: If you looked up my real name on FB I know there are at least 6 accounts for my name alone, and I don’t know how many for folks with my last name (especially if you looked in Poland).

It is interesting to speculate on this, but I’m not seeing the same “definitely Islamic” signs as, for instance, when I researched the OU Bombing.

Not ruling it out, but I’d bet this guy was more of a liberal environmental nut — then again, most liberals sympathize with the terrorists anyway, so who knows.

THANK YOU for the research though! Please don’t take anything I said above to mean I’m not grateful for your work! :)


44 posted on 04/30/2010 2:21:46 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks

What were the flares for? To make sure he didn’t get hit by a train? When he was supposedly there to commit suicide?

Who knows. Maybe he’s just some totally irrational kid, and suicide really was all he had in mind. But I want him publicly identified, so we can decide for ourselves. None of this HIPPA privacy BS, not releasing information because he’s mentally ill.


45 posted on 04/30/2010 2:31:06 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker; wtd

I think it’s post #44 where I put up an excerpted article from the WSJ. We’ve got the kid’s name now... Still interesting.

From some digging that FReeper WTD has done it appears he may be an environmentalist. Most likely NOT directly associated with Islamic Extremists, but one never knows, really.

I’m still not buying the suicide story... Just don’t know what his real motive is here.


46 posted on 04/30/2010 2:37:44 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Shoot... Make that post #29 for the WSJ report.


47 posted on 04/30/2010 2:38:25 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks

Yeah, I saw the name posted further down. Sounds like just a seriously screwed up kid, which may explain why some of his gear doesn’t make sense. The NY Post article quoted an unnamed dormmate as saying he was nice, but “weird” and “socially awkward”. He may have schizophrenia or some other psychotic disorder that either recently worsened, or meds stopped working. Elaborate plans that don’t make any sense are pretty typical of schizophrenics.


48 posted on 04/30/2010 2:41:59 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

All good points you bring up. There are a few scenarios that would make sense, but unlike the OU Bombing there are no red flags jumping out at me right now... I just hope our LEOs are not leaving any stone unturned.


49 posted on 04/30/2010 2:44:09 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks

He wanted to kill himself: True
He didn’t want to be found: True
He wanted to kill many others: Left out
It wasn’t a terrorist attempt: Lie

Thank you Ministry of Truth.


50 posted on 04/30/2010 8:46:26 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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