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John McCain swings right in desperate bid for political survival
guardian.co.uk ^ | 2010-04-30

Posted on 04/30/2010 12:34:38 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

One-time moderate Arizona senator keeps step with the Tea Party and gets tough on illegal immigration.

John Ladd points to the piles of empty water and Coke bottles, a yellow blanket and numerous other bits of debris abandoned on his cattle ranch in Cochise county, near Tombstone, Arizona. The sprawling estate, stretching 10 miles along the US-Mexico border, is a favoured route for those making the illegal, dangerous and often fatal, journey to what they hope is a bright new future.

Ladd recalls waking up one morning in 2004 and finding about 900 Mexicans milling about on his land. "You could not go anywhere without seeing one and the border patrol was screeching around everywhere," he says.

This is Wild West country, a land of mesquite and sagebrush, of Apache trails and re-enactments for the tourists of the OK Corral shoot-out. The ranch, and other crossing points like it, lie at the heart of the immigration debate that has gripped the US over the past week. That debate is anchored to Arizona's controversial extension of police powers in dealing with immigrants.

Already the subject of international attention, it is threatening to consume one of America's best-known politicians, John McCain, former PoW, senator for Arizona, and Republican choice for a doomed campaign against Barack Obama in 2008.

McCain is up for re-election for a fifth term in the Senate and the resurgence of the immigration issue is potentially disastrous.

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Ladd, who voted for McCain in the past, now feels betrayed and is not planning to support him in the Republican primary in August.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: amnesty; arizona; az2010; democrats4mccain; dnc4mccain; illegals4mccain; immigration; jdhayworth; mccain; noamnesty4mccain; rino; sayno2amnesty; soros4mccain; votejdhayworthaz
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1 posted on 04/30/2010 12:34:39 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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This should be so transparent to the voters of Arizona.

Surely they're on to him by now.

2 posted on 04/30/2010 12:36:01 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (FYBO: Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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3 posted on 04/30/2010 12:37:44 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385
is a favoured route for those making the illegal, dangerous and often fatal, journey

Apparently the word "often" has been redefined.

4 posted on 04/30/2010 12:40:47 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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5 posted on 04/30/2010 12:42:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (I don't believe in atheists.)
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6 posted on 04/30/2010 12:42:57 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: rabscuttle385
McCain reaching out to his base.


7 posted on 04/30/2010 12:44:01 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (I don't believe in atheists.)
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To: rabscuttle385

It’s okay - he’ll swing back to the left after he wins....


8 posted on 04/30/2010 12:44:05 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Tzimisce
It’s okay - he’ll swing back to the left after he wins....

So fast you'll crack ten vertebrae.

9 posted on 04/30/2010 12:44:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (I don't believe in atheists.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Not judging by the polls.


10 posted on 04/30/2010 12:45:01 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: rabscuttle385

Yep, ol’ John, the man more than willing to “reach across the aisle” to give the Democrats what they want, is now declaring bipartisanship in DC to be dead. JohnBoy, bipartisanship is simply giving the Democrats what they want-if it’s dead, good riddance with this gang. However, I suspect this declaration is just another campaign ploy for Arizona voters to try to convince them that you are again a Conservative.


11 posted on 04/30/2010 12:45:34 PM PDT by izzatzo
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To: rabscuttle385
I could be toast!.....
12 posted on 04/30/2010 12:45:45 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: EternalVigilance

His base use to be the MSM and now its entitlement zombies?


13 posted on 04/30/2010 12:45:55 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: rabscuttle385

The Obamaloon is a bottom-dwelling scum sucker.

McCain is the mud upon which he dwells.


14 posted on 04/30/2010 12:46:08 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: rabscuttle385

The problem is the old toot will swing so hard he’ll go the other way.


15 posted on 04/30/2010 12:46:54 PM PDT by pallis
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To: rabscuttle385

The same percentage of Arizonans who support their immigration bill will see right through this phony S.O.B.

...at least, I hope they do.


16 posted on 04/30/2010 12:47:27 PM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: rabscuttle385

” Ladd has met the defeated presidential candidate three times since 2004: on each occasion McCain went to the ranch to see firsthand the disruption caused by the almost non-stop flow of immigrants. “He is a neat guy,” says Ladd. “But he’s done nothing. He tells me, ‘This is terrible, I need to help you.’ And nothing happens.”

Something “happened,” Mr. Ladd. It was called McCain/Kennedy in 2007.


17 posted on 04/30/2010 12:54:00 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: rabscuttle385
"The Republicans want cheap labour, the Democrats cheap votes, and the American public cheap tomatoes,"

A concise and accurate quote on why the border is not closed.

Folks if you want to keep any kind of job worth a damn, call out all those running for federal office and demand they stop the importation of the so called workers that will "do the jobs that no American will do"...
18 posted on 04/30/2010 12:57:40 PM PDT by Fred (Vote for a REID FREE NEVADA....)
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To: rabscuttle385
Turning right, huh?

Uncharted territory for the RINO supreme.

19 posted on 04/30/2010 12:57:49 PM PDT by deadrock (Liberty is a bitch that needs to be bedded on a mattress of cadavers.)
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To: DEADROCK

Well, don’t forget, three right turns make a left!


20 posted on 04/30/2010 1:08:25 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Big government more or less guarantees rule by creeps and misfits.)
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To: EternalVigilance

LOL! Lautenberg and McCain are looking lik ethe undead along with Byrd. It is BS that they can remain in the Senate for life.


21 posted on 04/30/2010 1:15:13 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain & Graham = La Raza's favorite Senators)
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To: Peter W. Kessler

Keeping sticking that index finger way, way, up in the air, John. That wind you feel blowin is the prelude to a hurricane, John. Ya better take cover, cuz it’s gonna blow ya away!


22 posted on 04/30/2010 1:16:31 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA (Show me what Obama brought that was new and there you will find things only radical and destructive.)
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To: GeronL

Anyone notice how his Dem friends Daily Kos (Soros) and PPP are rolling out fake polls showing MCCain ahead. Rasmussun is showing it is close.


23 posted on 04/30/2010 1:16:32 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain & Graham = La Raza's favorite Senators)
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24 posted on 04/30/2010 1:16:58 PM PDT by Liz (If teens can procreate in a Volkswagen, why does a spotted owl need 2000 acres? JD Hayworth)
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To: rabscuttle385

Seen here, potential conservatives react to the news of McCain returning home ...
25 posted on 04/30/2010 1:20:25 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
This should be so transparent to the voters of Arizona.

Surely they're on to him by now

Does anyone know whether AZ has CLOSED primaries? I have an unwholesome feeling that a lot of Dems must cross over to vote for McKook.

My other bad feeling is that McCain will go the Crist/Lieberman Independent route if when he doesn't win in Aug... I hope I'm wrong.

26 posted on 04/30/2010 1:20:57 PM PDT by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters, now.)
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To: rabscuttle385

It gets worse: Working with other Senators, McCain has proposed a law that would promote tyranny and eliminate legal protections that have been provided to citizens since the Magna Carta was signed.

All of this is to take place under the guise of aiding Federal investigation and prosecution of terrorists by using our military forces against those suspected of being “enemy belligerents” — including those who “support” belligerents.

Please keep in mind that our Secretary of Homeland Security has already stated that military veterans and others who may oppose the Administration could be considered enemies of the State. McCain’s proposed statute itself leaves it up to the President to define and determine which groups and individuals shall be deemed “enemy belligerants.” These persons can be citizens or aliens alike.

Here’s the proposal:

Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010 (Introduced in Senate)— Senate Bill 3081 IS

111th CONGRESS 2d Session

To provide for the interrogation and detention of enemy belligerents who commit hostile acts against the United States, to establish certain limitations on the prosecution of such belligerents for such acts, and for other purposes.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

March 4, 2010

Mr. MCCAIN (for himself, Mr. LIEBERMAN, Mr. INHOFE, Mr. BROWN of Massachusetts, Mr. WICKER, Mr. CHAMBLISS, Mr. LEMIEUX, Mr. SESSIONS, and Mr. VITTER) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

A BILL

To provide for the interrogation and detention of enemy belligerents who commit hostile acts against the United States, to establish certain limitations on the prosecution of such belligerents for such acts, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010’.

SEC. 2. PLACEMENT OF SUSPECTED UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS IN MILITARY CUSTODY.

(a) Military Custody Requirement- Whenever within the United States, its territories, and possessions, or outside the territorial limits of the United States, an individual is captured or otherwise comes into the custody or under the effective control of the United States who is suspected of engaging in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners through an act of terrorism, or by other means in violation of the laws of war, or of purposely and materially supporting such hostilities, and who may be an unprivileged enemy belligerent, the individual shall be placed in military custody for purposes of initial interrogation and determination of status in accordance with the provisions of this Act.

(b) Reasonable Delay for Intelligence Activities- An individual who may be an unprivileged enemy belligerent and who is initially captured or otherwise comes into the custody or under the effective control of the United States by an intelligence agency of the United States may be held, interrogated, or transported by the intelligence agency and placed into military custody for purposes of this Act if retained by the United States within a reasonable time after the capture or coming into the custody or effective control by the intelligence agency, giving due consideration to operational needs and requirements to avoid compromise or disclosure of an intelligence mission or intelligence sources or methods.

SEC. 3. INTERROGATION AND DETERMINATION OF STATUS OF SUSPECTED UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS.

(a) Establishment of Interrogation Groups-

(1) ESTABLISHMENT AUTHORIZED- The President is authorized to establish an interagency team for purposes as follows:

(A) To interrogate under subsection (b) individuals placed in military custody under section 2.

(B) To make under subsection (c)(1) a preliminary determination of the status of individuals described in section 2.

(2) COMPOSITION- Each interagency team under this subsection shall be composed of such personnel of the Executive Branch having expertise in matters relating to national security, terrorism, intelligence, interrogation, or law enforcement as the President considers appropriate. The members of any particular interagency team may vary depending on the skills most relevant to a particular case.

(3) DESIGNATIONS-

(A) HIGH-VALUE DETAINEE- An individual placed in military custody under section 2 shall, while subject to interrogation and determination of status under this section, be referred to as a `high-value detainee’ if the individual meets the criteria for treatment as such established in the regulations required by subsection (d).

(B) HIGH-VALUE DETAINEE INTERROGATION GROUP- An interagency team established under this subsection shall be known as a `high-value detainee interrogation group’.

(b) Interrogations-

(1) INTERROGATIONS TO BE CONDUCTED BY HIGH-VALUE DETAINEE INTERROGATION GROUP- A high-value detainee interrogation group established under this section shall conduct the interrogations of each high-value detainee.

(2) UTILIZATION OF OTHER PERSONNEL- A high-value detainee interrogation group may utilize military and intelligence personnel, and Federal, State, and local law enforcement personnel, in conducting interrogations of a high-value detainee. The utilization of such personnel for the interrogation of a detainee shall not alter the responsibility of the interrogation group for the coordination within the Executive Branch of the interrogation of the detainee or the determination of status and disposition of the detainee under this Act.

(3) INAPPLICABILITY OF CERTAIN STATEMENT AND RIGHTS- An individual who is suspected of being an unprivileged enemy belligerent shall not, during interrogation under this subsection, be provided the statement required by Miranda v. Arizona (384 U.S. 436 (1966)) or otherwise be informed of any rights that the individual may or may not have to counsel or to remain silent consistent with Miranda v. Arizona.

(c) Determinations of Status-

(1) PRELIMINARY DETERMINATION BY HIGH-VALUE DETAINEE INTERROGATION GROUP- The high-value detainee interrogation group responsible for interrogating a high-value detainee under subsection (b) shall make a preliminary determination whether or not the detainee is an unprivileged enemy belligerent. The interrogation group shall make such determination based on the result of its interrogation of the individual and on all intelligence information available to the interrogation group. The interrogation group shall, after consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, submit such determination to the Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General.

(2) FINAL DETERMINATION- As soon as possible after receipt of a preliminary determination of status with respect to a high-value detainee under paragraph (1), the Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General shall jointly submit to the President and to the appropriate committees of Congress a final determination whether or not the detainee is an unprivileged enemy belligerent for purposes of this Act. In the event of a disagreement between the Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General, the President shall make the final determination.

(3) DEADLINE FOR DETERMINATIONS- All actions required regarding a high-value detainee under this subsection shall, to the extent practicable, be completed not later than 48 hours after the detainee is placed in military custody under section 2.

(d) Regulations-

(1) IN GENERAL- The operations and activities of high-value detainee interrogation groups under this section shall be governed by such regulations and guidance as the President shall establish for purposes of implementing this section. The regulations shall specify the officer or officers of the Executive Branch responsible for determining whether an individual placed in military custody under section 2 meets the criteria for treatment as a high-value detainee for purposes of interrogation and determination of status by a high-value interrogation group under this section.

(2) CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION OF INDIVIDUALS AS HIGH-VALUE DETAINEES- The regulations required by this subsection shall include criteria for designating an individual as a high-value detainee based on the following:

(A) The potential threat the individual poses for an attack on civilians or civilian facilities within the United States or upon United States citizens or United States civilian facilities abroad at the time of capture or when coming under the custody or control of the United States.

(B) The potential threat the individual poses to United States military personnel or United States military facilities at the time of capture or when coming under the custody or control of the United States.

(C) The potential intelligence value of the individual.

(D) Membership in al Qaeda or in a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda.

(E) Such other matters as the President considers appropriate.

(3) PARAMOUNT PURPOSE OF INTERROGATIONS- The regulations required by this subsection shall provide that the paramount purpose of the interrogation of high-value detainees under this Act shall be the protection of United States civilians and United States civilian facilities through thorough and professional interrogation for intelligence purposes.

(4) SUBMITTAL TO CONGRESS- The President shall submit the regulations and guidance required by this subsection to the appropriate committees of Congress not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.

SEC. 4. LIMITATION ON PROSECUTION OF ALIEN UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS.

(a) Limitation- No funds appropriated or otherwise made available to the Department of Justice may be used to prosecute in an Article III court in the United States, or in any territory or possession of the United States, any alien who has been determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent under section 3(c)(2).

(b) Applicability Pending Final Determination of Status- While a final determination on the status of an alien high-value detainee is pending under section 3(c)(2), the alien shall be treated as an unprivileged enemy belligerent for purposes of subsection (a).

SEC. 5. DETENTION WITHOUT TRIAL OF UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS.

An individual, including a citizen of the United States, determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent under section 3(c)(2) in a manner which satisfies Article 5 of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War may be detained without criminal charges and without trial for the duration of hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners in which the individual has engaged, or which the individual has purposely and materially supported, consistent with the law of war and any authorization for the use of military force provided by Congress pertaining to such hostilities.

SEC. 6. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) ACT OF TERRORISM- The term `act of terrorism’ means an act of terrorism as that term is defined in section 101(16) of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 101(16)).

(2) ALIEN- The term `alien’ means an individual who is not a citizen of the United States.

(3) APPROPRIATE COMMITTEES OF CONGRESS- The term `appropriate committees of Congress’ means—

(A) the Committee on Armed Services, the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, the Committee on the Judiciary, and the Select Committee on Intelligence of the Senate; and

(B) the Committee on Armed Services, the Committee on Homeland Security, the Committee on the Judiciary, and the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence of the House of Representatives.

(4) ARTICLE III COURT- The term `Article III court’ means a court of the United States established under Article III of the Constitution of the United States.

(5) COALITION PARTNER- The term `coalition partner’, with respect to hostilities engaged in by the United States, means any State or armed force directly engaged along with the United States in such hostilities or providing direct operational support to the United States in connection with such hostilities.

(6) GENEVA CONVENTION RELATIVE TO THE TREATMENT OF PRISONERS OF WAR- The term `Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War’ means the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, done at Geneva August 12, 1949 (6 UST 3316).

(7) HOSTILITIES- The term `hostilities’ means any conflict subject to the laws of war, and includes a deliberate attack upon civilians and civilian targets protected by the laws of war.

(8) PRIVILEGED BELLIGERENT- The term `privileged belligerent’ means an individual belonging to one of the eight categories enumerated in Article 4 of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War.

(9) UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENT- The term `unprivileged enemy belligerent’ means an individual (other than a privileged belligerent) who—

(A) has engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners;

(B) has purposely and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or

(C) was a part of al Qaeda at the time of capture.

SEC. 7. EFFECTIVE DATE.

This Act shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to individuals who are captured or otherwise come into the custody or under the effective control of the United States on or after that date.

Source: http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.3081:


27 posted on 04/30/2010 1:24:47 PM PDT by earglasses (I was blind, and now I hear...)
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To: rabscuttle385

28 posted on 04/30/2010 1:24:59 PM PDT by 50mm (Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power - Ben Franklin)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Not with the latest polls. Shows Juan leading handily.
Juan, talks the talk at election time, but will turn again after the elections.


29 posted on 04/30/2010 1:25:36 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: rabscuttle385
This cartoonist has chosen to go with the improbable explanation:


30 posted on 04/30/2010 1:44:04 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Damn straight we are. He smears JD up and down but when he needed to press the most leftist empty suit ever running for the office, he couldn’t bring himself to say boo. In 2008, we had the choice of a White Manchurian Candidate and a Black Manchurian Candidate. Time to send the Old Rino to pasture.


31 posted on 04/30/2010 1:45:13 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: rabscuttle385; All

John McCain: Razing Arizona

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ-HwYE_Auk&feature=player_embedded


32 posted on 04/30/2010 1:48:22 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Voters who thought their ship came in with 0bama are on their own Titanic.)
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To: Frantzie

The energy is on Hayworth’s side. If 70% of us wanted immigration reform, you can bet you a$$ most of them know McCain’s true position. I hope he gets crushed.


33 posted on 04/30/2010 1:50:56 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: rabscuttle385; All

“Ladd, who voted for McCain in the past, now feels betrayed and is not planning to support him in the Republican primary in August.”

Good for you, Mr. Ladd, don’t believe his lies!!
PLEASE, Arizona, get rid of McCain!

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34 posted on 04/30/2010 1:55:28 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more ‘share the wealth’ socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

I hope the BRAVE people of AZ turn this RINO rat out. JD is a good guy.


35 posted on 04/30/2010 2:02:42 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain & Graham = La Raza's favorite Senators)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; All
"This should be so transparent to the voters of Arizona. Surely they're on to him by now. "

How McCain Stole Arizona

She stared at the old senator and said, "Mr. Maverick, why,

"Why are you risking our Freedom? WHY?"

But, you know, that old McCain was so smart and so slick He thought up a lie, and he thought it up quick!

"Why, my sweet little voter," the fake Conservative lied, "There's Arizona who won't go to the other side. "So I'm taking it home to my workshop, in D.C."

"I'll fix it up there. Then I'll bring it back here."

36 posted on 04/30/2010 2:07:05 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more ‘share the wealth’ socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: rabscuttle385

If he’s 10 points up in the polls then why is he desperately swinging for survival? He either is or he isn’t. I’m choosing to stick with Rass’s polls spearating by only 5 pts since I trust them.


37 posted on 04/30/2010 2:34:59 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (?)
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To: EternalVigilance

Yeah ;-)


38 posted on 04/30/2010 3:06:32 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Howz come the UK Guardian is where we get the real news?


39 posted on 04/30/2010 3:07:12 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Frantzie

I am worried about the older people here. There are many retirees in Arizona.

McCain is spending MILLIONS on TV & radio ads.


40 posted on 04/30/2010 3:10:03 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

John McCain is one really strange dude.

41 posted on 04/30/2010 3:15:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (I don't believe in atheists.)
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To: EternalVigilance

McCain is a head case. He is still furious at the GOP for 2000. McCain has a REAL enemies list. No sane person carries a grudge like he does.


42 posted on 04/30/2010 3:21:07 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: DEADROCK

For McCain it is just a detour and everyone with one eye and a grain of sense knows it.


43 posted on 04/30/2010 4:24:43 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yeah. I know that to be true, from personal experience.


44 posted on 04/30/2010 4:29:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (I don't believe in atheists.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

He pull his left arm in he put his right arm out.
An he shake it all about.

He doin da Hokie Pokey again.


45 posted on 04/30/2010 4:29:35 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (e)
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To: rabscuttle385

He’s still leading in all the polls and JD Hayworth is still going on and on about the birther bill which died a slow death in our State Senate today.


46 posted on 04/30/2010 4:31:57 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: sabe@q.com; rabscuttle385

“He’s still leading in all the polls and JD Hayworth is still going on and on about the birther bill which died a slow death in our State Senate today.”

Still humping McCain from behind, eh??


47 posted on 04/30/2010 4:34:17 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: earglasses

that is a good law and some pretty staunch republicans are in agreement like Jeff Sessions and Imhoff


48 posted on 04/30/2010 4:34:44 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: EternalVigilance

I can imagine.


49 posted on 04/30/2010 4:35:12 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: AuntB

I’d say you might want to expend your energies on Boxer rather than McCain


50 posted on 04/30/2010 4:36:07 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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