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Louisiana Spill: Big Oil's Chernobyl?
Investors.com ^ | April 30, 2010 | INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY Staff

Posted on 04/30/2010 5:18:32 PM PDT by Kaslin

Energy: The administration has banned new offshore drilling until the Gulf oil spill is investigated. Was its heart in it anyway? It seems environmental concerns apply only to certain forms of energy.

No one pays much attention to the aquatic "dead zones" that have appeared off our shores at the mouths of our rivers due to agricultural runoff created by mandates for corn-based ethanol. Ethanol is green energy, good energy — never mind that such biofuels drive up food prices, increase hunger around the world and damage the environment in their own way.

The explosion that blew apart an oil rig off Louisiana's coast is far more dramatic and makes for better television. The resulting oil spill is a legitimate concern, as it threatens marine life and local economies. Our concern is that it will do more damage as a bludgeon that forever ends hopes of expanding domestic oil production.

President Obama on Friday announced the suspension of all plans for new offshore oil drilling until authorities learn what caused the explosion of the rig Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico. Recently he had declared to great fanfare that certain offshore areas would be open to drilling.

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1 posted on 04/30/2010 5:18:32 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin; Chieftain

” OBAMA DITHERED! PELICANS WITHERED!!!”

Obama is now -—NOW—trying to help the Pelicans!

SAVE THE PELICANS! IMPEACH OBAMA!!!


2 posted on 04/30/2010 5:23:04 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: Kaslin
"President Obama on Friday announced the suspension of all plans for new offshore oil drilling until authorities learn what caused the explosion of the rig Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico. Recently he had declared to great fanfare that certain offshore areas would be open to drilling."

"The latter announcement restricted more areas than it allegedly opened and was seen as a ploy to get votes for cap-and-trade legislation, which would restrict fossil fuel use, increase energy prices, reduce gross domestic product and increase joblessness. Administration animus toward fossil fuels is well known."

Convenient for obama... if it was an accident.

3 posted on 04/30/2010 5:24:06 PM PDT by GloriaJane (Pro-Choice = Pro-Death........ Pro-Life = Pro-LIFE!)
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To: Kaslin

People have been fed the line that absolute security is possible. The world remains a chancey place, where reasonable risk must be taken. Stay in the cave, you starve.


4 posted on 04/30/2010 5:24:39 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Kaslin

Does everyone not remember that Obama was originally against offshore drilling? I think this is a Reichstag fire.


5 posted on 04/30/2010 5:24:46 PM PDT by TheRealDBear
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To: Kaslin

Not hardly. Chernobyl and the surrounding area will be deadly radioactive for 10,000 years.

This Gulf spill will be a footnote in 5 unless people overreact.


6 posted on 04/30/2010 5:26:31 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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To: TheRealDBear
I think this is a Reichstag fire.

Yep. People are already forgetting the explosion three hours earlier that went unreported that should have resulted in a shutdown then unless the work crew was covering it up.
7 posted on 04/30/2010 5:29:54 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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To: TheRealDBear

I remember


8 posted on 04/30/2010 5:35:07 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: TheRealDBear

I’m with you....all part of a master jigsaw puzzle.


9 posted on 04/30/2010 5:35:35 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

You said it


10 posted on 04/30/2010 5:35:38 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: All
Will prices at the pump rise as a result of this event ?

Will this oil spill event that Obama has ignored for eight (8) days, have any connection to the Free Republic article about CCX and the imposition of Cap-and-Trade ?


11 posted on 04/30/2010 5:44:52 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Yep. People are already forgetting the explosion three hours earlier that went unreported that should have resulted in a shutdown then unless the work crew was covering it up.

They still have not uncovered the cause of the explosion and I am beginning to think that it was done deliberate

There was another drilling rig that overturned in Louisiana

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2504142/posts

12 posted on 04/30/2010 5:45:22 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: pyx

I would not be surprised if it would


13 posted on 04/30/2010 5:46:14 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin


Louisiana Spill: Big Oil’s Chernobyl?

Speaking of Chernobyl, I NAIVELY wonder if a “sarcophagus” is also
an answer to the current problem.

My “Okie” thought is to drop a decent-sized reinforced concrete dome
over the outlet...and pile tons of steel beams on top of it.

Any thought folks?
Sure, it might just slow the outflow of crude...but if the current
workers can’t find another way to stop/slow the flow...

I’m sure there are practical/physical reasons this is just my dumb musing.


14 posted on 04/30/2010 5:57:42 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Nobody dare to say it, but I seriously suspect environmentalists sabotage to get future oil-drilling to a total halt!!!


15 posted on 04/30/2010 6:00:29 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: Kaslin

As a Jewess in the US, I believe the platform was sunk by a North Korean Stealth Torpedo, the 2nd test of the same type that they used to take out the South Korean Navy ship last month.


16 posted on 04/30/2010 6:10:11 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: danamco

I won’t discount it.....just waiting for more info....which has been non-existent. The sad part of the MSM coverage is that the folks killed haven’t been mentioned.


17 posted on 04/30/2010 6:12:40 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: Kaslin

5000 gallons a day are leaking from that well. Every day, for as long as humans have been on the Earth, 5000 gallons of oil leaks from the floor of the Gulf of Mexico into the ocean. Mother Nature cleans that mess up just fine. Quit freaking out people.


18 posted on 04/30/2010 6:15:29 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

You know that spill in Alaska?

Greenie weenies still won’t permit offshore oil drilling. That’s 30 years.

They’ll try to do the same to the Gulf. Remind me how many states down there voted for the Bamster?


19 posted on 04/30/2010 6:16:09 PM PDT by BenKenobi
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To: BenKenobi

Wow! Maybe if we paid for top quality we would get it. That would be money well spent.


20 posted on 04/30/2010 6:18:33 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Correct. It’s an idiotic comparison. It’s more like Three Mile Island, in which no one was injured or was ever seriously at risk, but which destroyed the nuclear industry in America indefinitely.


21 posted on 04/30/2010 6:21:59 PM PDT by denydenydeny (The welfare state turns us all into zoo animals, mouths open, waiting for the next feeding.)
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To: danamco

At the stage of completion the well was at it would have made a poor target for sabotage. Most wells at the stage this one was in would have 100% isolation between the formation and casing. A more likely scenario is that the casing was somehow damaged while running it and a poor cement job, possibly caused by the damaged casing, allowed gas/oil into the casing. There are a number of scenarios that could have caused this, but sabotage would be extremely low on the list. The cause was probably a series a freak events that caused what we see today.


22 posted on 04/30/2010 6:24:10 PM PDT by rwh (What great fortune it is for those in power that the people do not think!)
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To: Kaslin

Has anyone seen a decent graphic of any kind that shows approximately what the wreck looks like on the seabed, it’s relation to the wellhead and what debris they think is over the leak?? If you do please link or post it...

I would expect that every single marine salvage expert in the Country is on the scene or on the way, and there is a lot of high tech equipment out there in the industry that can accomplish some fairly amazing things.

Remember how we heard the oil fires in Kuwait would burn for a decade?? How long did it end up being in the end...8 months?

This is an unfolding disaster, but it is still manageable. I see no reason to compare this to Chernobyl in any way, and I have no reason whatsoever to believe this “crisis” will go on for anywhere near as long as Chernobyl has.

This is making a Gawd-awful mess but the sky is not falling.


23 posted on 04/30/2010 6:31:32 PM PDT by Bean Counter (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office -- Aesop)
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To: markomalley; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; 70th Division; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

ping


24 posted on 04/30/2010 6:32:20 PM PDT by raptor22 (The truth will set us free)
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To: danamco

And they have never worried about killing 11 innocents and burning coutnless other workers.


25 posted on 04/30/2010 6:37:39 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: rwh

When was the last oil rig explosion and where??


26 posted on 04/30/2010 6:40:36 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: danamco

Good question!


27 posted on 04/30/2010 6:43:38 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Kaslin

Obama lied, seagulls died.


28 posted on 04/30/2010 6:49:20 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: Freddd

More like 0bama lied the eagle died.


29 posted on 04/30/2010 6:51:49 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: VOA

Actually, there has been talk of putting a dome over it and capturing the oil from the dome.


30 posted on 04/30/2010 6:55:57 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

I thought the Exxon Valdez was the oil industry’s Chernobyl.


31 posted on 04/30/2010 7:01:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: danamco

They happen occasionally on land.


32 posted on 04/30/2010 7:08:30 PM PDT by Retired Intelligence Officer
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To: TheRealDBear

I think we have had a few of those lately.

He hates coal too.


33 posted on 04/30/2010 7:09:23 PM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: Kaslin
Chernobyl was the result of plant workers not following procedures and ultimately causing the meltdown.

I think the oil rig explosion will be found to have been a surge of highly pressurized gas that entered the pipeline (remember the depths that we're talking about) and was larger than the equipment could handle.

Other than never being 100% certain of what the subsurface looks like, I'm betting that this took the workers by surprise. I think they were following procedurs by the book, but they got hit by that that 0.001% uncertainty that still exists when don't know for sure what it looks like under the surface.

-PJ

34 posted on 04/30/2010 7:16:48 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: danamco

I’m sure with sufficient research one could find the last rig explosion. It happens. Luckily safety measures are put into place to limit the risk of migrating well bore fluids/gases from causing what happened on the deep horizon. Unfortunately, sometimes they fail too.

Saboteurs could blow up 1,000 wells at the stage this well was in and probably not achieve the results that happened here. Casing was run and the cement had some 20 hours to set up. That said wells can kick after it is cemented and it has happened-

MMS Safety Alert No. 165, issued in April 1995 identified 20 diverter incidents in the Gulf of Mexico from 1973 to 1995 related to well kicks after cementing surface casing. Another 13 similar incidents have occurred since 1995, with the most serious consequences being broaching the surface, cratering, well loss, and rig and platform destruction by fire. Annular flow related to cementing surface casing has been identified as one of the most frequent causes of loss of control incidents in the Gulf of Mexico.

http://www.gomr.mms.gov/homepg/offshore/safety/safealt/SA_216.html

And here is a list of various incidents that have happened offshore including blowouts and rig losses. feel free to peruse them if you want. You might learn something -

http://www.gomr.mms.gov/homepg/offshore/safety/safealt/safemain.html


35 posted on 04/30/2010 7:17:42 PM PDT by rwh (What great fortune it is for those in power that the people do not think!)
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To: rwh

Perfect!


36 posted on 04/30/2010 7:19:31 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: rwh
Casing was run and the cement had some 20 hours to set up.

Wonder if they ran a "cement bond tool" on wireline to verify the cement job was good?

37 posted on 04/30/2010 7:26:30 PM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: danamco

That list is just related to surface casing cemented. This well had production casing ran and cemented. I don’t know how many blowouts occur after production casing is cemented but it is going to be an extremely rare occurrence. Because it is so rare the rig crew is go to be less concerned with a loss of well control at this point and a blowout was probably the last thing on their minds.


38 posted on 04/30/2010 7:31:27 PM PDT by rwh (What great fortune it is for those in power that the people do not think!)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
“unless the work crew was covering it up. “

Unless the crew were already dead. Bang-Bang.

I am not normally a conspiracy freak but this + the other oil rig that toppled make for a fishy odor. Great excuse for getting out of his ill advised (per the envirowackos) approval of off shore drilling.

39 posted on 04/30/2010 7:34:34 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat
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To: Kaslin

As a Jewess in the US, I believe the platform was sunk by a North Korean Stealth Torpedo, the 2nd test of the same type that they used to take out the South Korean Navy ship last month.


40 posted on 04/30/2010 7:37:10 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: VOA

Yes, that WOULD work - provided it weighed more than the wellhead pressure of the well could lift, and provided it got a good seal against the seabed floor. BUT - how high up from the seabed floor, if any, is the leak? It might need to be a TALL dome!


41 posted on 04/30/2010 7:41:59 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Republic of Texas

5000 barrels, not gallons. That is 210,000 gallons a day. Before you tell people to stop freaking out maybe you should learn the facts. This is very serious to the people on the gulf coast.


42 posted on 04/30/2010 7:46:35 PM PDT by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: The Cajun

Heh-n as a wireline engineer you are talking my language. From what I have read they were planing on plugging the well and coming back later to finish completions on the well. We recommend at a very minimum 24 hours for the cement to set up before running a cbl. My guess is they had not run one yet. if they did it might contain information as to the case of the indecent.


43 posted on 04/30/2010 7:48:03 PM PDT by rwh (What great fortune it is for those in power that the people do not think!)
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To: rwh
Heh-n as a wireline engineer you are talking my language.

Retired wireline electronic tech out of Houma, La. Know a little bit about CBLs ;^)

44 posted on 04/30/2010 8:04:18 PM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: The Cajun

That’s cool! Small world! What company did you work for? I work for Baker Atlas in Rock Springs Wyoming.


45 posted on 04/30/2010 8:09:50 PM PDT by rwh (What great fortune it is for those in power that the people do not think!)
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To: rwh
Big Blue, and I don't mean IBM ;^)
46 posted on 04/30/2010 8:12:20 PM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: GloriaJane

The suggestion of sabotage was open on Mark Levin”s discussion with the hydro petroleum engineer at the end of his show tonite. Makes sense to me given the fires and delays.


47 posted on 04/30/2010 8:14:49 PM PDT by mcshot (Flip da house and repel the RINOs.)
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To: The Cajun

He he... Schlum is the bane of my existence.


48 posted on 04/30/2010 8:18:16 PM PDT by rwh (What great fortune it is for those in power that the people do not think!)
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To: WatchOutForSnakes

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...

WASHINGTON—The Gulf of Mexico oil spill could be leaking at a rate of 25,000 barrels a day, five times the government’s current estimate, industry experts say. Basing their calculations on government data and standard industry measurement tools, the experts said the Gulf spill may already rival the historic 1969 Santa Barbara, Calif., and 1989 Exxon Valdez disasters.

Ian MacDonald, professor of oceanography at Florida State University who specializes in tracking ocean oil seeps from satellite imagery, said there may already be more than 9 million gallons of oil floating in the Gulf now, based on his estimate of a 25,000 barrel-a-day leak rate. That’s compared to 12 million gallons spilled in the Valdez accident. Interior Department officials said it may take 90 days to cap the leaking well. If the 25,000 barrels a day is accurate and it leaks for 90 days, that’s 2.25 million barrels or 94.5 million gallons. Mr. MacDonald and his colleagues at the Earth, Ocean and Atmospheric Science Department have worked jointly with National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in the past on oil spill tracking, and have shared their estimates with NOAA scientists. He said the NOAA scientists didn’t dispute the calculations.

The economic damage will be bigger than any hurricane in Gulf History, might be worth more than BP and RIG combined. Maybe the leakage is increasing by the day up to its maximum of 100,000 barrel per day.


49 posted on 04/30/2010 8:31:11 PM PDT by capecodder
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie; All

This whole oil rig thing smells to high heaven! There just seems to be too much “coincidence”; and I don’t believe in coincidence.

I think the reason it bothers me is that too many things were going on at the same time .. making this “coincidence” waaaaaaay too convenient.

These are the pieces of the puzzle that I put together.

1st - the dems are plotting to unleash upon America a cap and tax plan (but it’s not gaining in approval);

2nd - the dems want to do whatever they can to stop America from drilling their own oil (because that would create millions of jobs, spur the economy, and ensure energy independence for lots of years);

3rd - although Obama was allowing drilling (but not in the best areas), the oil industry was calling him on it;

4th - it just happened to be a day or so one side of “Earth Day”;

5th - to solve all those problems (”Never let a good crisis go to waste.”) - what could be better than a good oil spill - like maybe blowing up an oil rig ..?? Huh ..?? That would solve everything .. RIGHT ..??

Now, NO MORE OIL DRILLING; CAP AND TAX WILL BE EASY TO PASS; PEOPLE WERE PAYING ATTENTION BECAUSE OF EARTH DAY, and I just can’t believe for one minute that this was an “accident” or just a coincidence.

The real cap .. the President sent SWAT to guard all the oil rigs .. WHY WOULD HE DO THAT IF IT WAS AN “ACCIDENT”. But .. if the oil rig was blown up .. then they better inspect all the other oil wells to find out if they are ready to blow up too ..?? Huh ..??

The real big question I have is this: WHO BLEW IT UP ..??

And remember .. just a couple of days ago there was a thread where we were discussing the Weather Underground and their statements about 25,000,000 being a casuality risk they were willing to take .. Hmmmmm ..?? Did they believe killing over 100 on the oil rig was acceptable in order to accomplish their goal ..??

Interestingly .. there is a 6th factor: Who do the dems hate almost as much as Bush - Halliburton! It turns out Halliburton is somehow involved in the construction of the oil rig. Hmmmm ..?? Coincidence ..?? I don’t think so.


50 posted on 04/30/2010 9:07:05 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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