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A DISASTER WITHOUT PRECEDENT
Portland Press Herald ^ | May 1, 2010 | STEVEN MUFSON AND MICHAEL D. SHEAR

Posted on 04/30/2010 10:22:46 PM PDT by Cedar

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To: dalereed

I’ll bet you very few people know that. The ironic thing about what you said is that the whole area is a lot better off today BECAUSE of the oil rigs in the Gulf, even with the rare spill like this one. I wish someone would write an article about it and come up with some old photos that showed what it looked like with the natural oil to prove it.


51 posted on 05/01/2010 12:34:04 AM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: GeronL

I don’t think eco-nuts would want to cause a ecological disaster of this scale just to stop off-shore drilling. The drilling itself is absolutely nothing ecology-wise compared to what this oil is going to do to the coastal wetlands of Louisiana.


52 posted on 05/01/2010 12:39:42 AM PDT by pardisdain
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To: dalereed

Amazing.

It wouldn’t have been very good advertising for the tourist industry - maybe that’s why no one seems to know about it other than people like you who had personal experience. Or maybe it just suits the enviro agenda to ignore it. That knowledge would sure mess with them now.


53 posted on 05/01/2010 12:39:45 AM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: Species8472

Eh, I hope not. This is only one of thousands and thousands of rigs in the Gulf alone.


54 posted on 05/01/2010 12:40:03 AM PDT by pardisdain
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To: Cedar

The people in Mississippi and Louisiana who are in the fishing industry are in huge trouble this year financially...they better find another career asap...at least for five years or so. Alaska fisherman felt the financial burden for about that long.


55 posted on 05/01/2010 12:41:45 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Natural Born 54

You ever hear of the LaBrea tar pits? There is a lot of oil and tar close to the surface in Southern California. Offshore of Santa Barbara there are natural seeps where oil seeps up out of the ocean floor. It’s still going on but due to our oil wells there is less. Due to less pressure. Our oil wells relive that pressure


56 posted on 05/01/2010 12:49:17 AM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: dalereed; Natural Born 54
There was so much tar on the beach atr Goleta that in the 1500s the Spanish beached their ships to tar thew bottoms.

Beachcombing at Goleta Point (posted June 6, 2002)

http://www.greatoutdoors.com/published/beachcombing-at-goleta-point

"What you'll need: Be sure to wear surf-shoes or old sneakers to avoid getting tar on your feet on the beach near the tidewater oil field. Bring sunscreen, a hat or visor and two quarts of water for today's long beach walk. Dogs are not allowed on the beach."

Downtown Los Angeles has natural tar seeps (most famously, the La Brea Tar Pits seeps at Curzon and Wilshire). It's a part of the landscape.

57 posted on 05/01/2010 12:51:31 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Natural Born 54

There’s a pretty small percentage of the population that were beach goers in So. California in the 40s and 50s that are still around.

Besides that no one gave a damn back then since environmentalists hadn’t been invented!

If we could get rid of the enviro nuts and use the oil in So. California on shore and off we vould supply the US for a few hundred years.

The main reason that the California wells have been shut down is taxes, which when added up from the ground to pump were 78% in 1954, the last year that it was quoated to me by the President of the independant oil producers of Calif. and VPs of Union Oil.

The crowning blow was the 10% wellhead tax that Carter put in in 74 that he called an excess profit tax.

Joe Shell, a friend of mine had 3 wildcat wells going and the day Carter put in that tax BofA who was financing them called him up and pulled his financing.

After that their attitude was that import the oil and let the Arabs pay the taxes and that someday they will take off the tax and the oil will be worth something.

He said that it might be his grand kids or great grand kids but that there wasn’t any reason to give most of it away to the government and only produce enough to make a good living.


58 posted on 05/01/2010 12:51:49 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: thecodont

“Beachcombing at Goleta Point (posted June 6, 2002)”

By 2000 there wasn’t 10% of what it was in the mid 50s because of the oil rigs in the Santa Barbara channel reducing the natural flow.

In the 50s, no one but a stupid tourist would ever go to that beachQQ


59 posted on 05/01/2010 12:56:34 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Natural Born 54; dalereed
Before this is scrubbed: a tidbit from Geology.com:

http://geology.com/news/2009/natural-oil-seeps-gulf-of-mexico.shtml

Natural Oil Seeps: Gulf of Mexico
February 25, 2009 | NASA / Geology.com
Oil spills caused by humans almost always make big headlines but did you know that natural seeps contribute significant amounts of oil to the environment? Here is a pair of satellite images from NASA’s Earth Observatory that illustrate natural oil seeps.Oil seeps in the Gulf of Mexico

Satellite image of natural oil seeps in the Gulf of Mexico by Jesse Allen, NASA. See zoomed-in below.

Oil slicks seen in the sunglint in the Gulf of Mexico
Satellite image of natural oil seeps in the Gulf of Mexico. Jesse Allen, NASA. See above for reference.

This was just last February--February 2009.

60 posted on 05/01/2010 1:00:08 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: dennisw

Yes, I’ve been there. I was so busy with my career when I lived in LA that I never had time to stop and smell the oil so to speak. Never connected it with the off shore oil.


61 posted on 05/01/2010 1:03:28 AM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: dalereed

I remember getting tar on my feet at the beach as a child.


62 posted on 05/01/2010 1:03:50 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: chris37

Heard one on Fox News. It was very technical, and I did not understand it all. The expert said that someone was not paying enough attention to the gauges.

Once the equipment on the bottom is secured, certain tools are withdrawn, and there is an automatic shutoff valve. The shutoff valve can’t work at present, because it is blocked by something.


63 posted on 05/01/2010 1:10:54 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: dalereed; thecodont

After the man-made global warming scandal, why am I surprised? It pi$$es me off that the media, the schools and the lefty politicians have caused so much misunderstanding. I really wish someone - say at the Wall Street Journal - would write about this.


64 posted on 05/01/2010 1:11:28 AM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: Natural Born 54; dalereed; All
I really wish someone - say at the Wall Street Journal - would write about this.

Hey, you lurking Wall Street Journal reporters: we know you're reading this.

Write a story about this.

65 posted on 05/01/2010 1:18:42 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

Saved screen shots and article. Thanks.


66 posted on 05/01/2010 1:19:24 AM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: dalereed

Good post!


67 posted on 05/01/2010 1:19:42 AM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: Cedar
And on the Eighth Day, the Lord Obama spoke of the disaster.

Just imagine if President Bush waited over a week to mention a disaster like this. He spoke up a week BEFORE Katrina, warning the State of LA to prepare and what kind of treatment did he get?

It's not the News Reports, it's who Reports the News...

68 posted on 05/01/2010 1:25:15 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (If Hitler used a TelePrompter, we would all be speaking German...)
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To: dalereed

And the governator could get the state out of financial hot water and tell Obama to go screw himself. Hollywood would love it!/


69 posted on 05/01/2010 1:27:16 AM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: Cedar

Burn the birds, clean up the mess, and keep drillin’!


70 posted on 05/01/2010 1:35:58 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: Cedar
State of Fear

Believe it.

71 posted on 05/01/2010 2:02:33 AM PDT by montag813 (www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: Cedar
FYI...

Michael Savage had a long interview with a clearly very knowledgable drilling engineer tonight who worked at Halliburton for 35 years. He said he did not see any way this could have been an accident. He explained why in great depth, using explanatons of how they used concrete and mud and gas, and what would have occured if there was a fissure or crack which occured (mud and liquid would have shot up is massive quanitity, causing a huge problem before anything could ignite). Instead he said there was a sudden, huge explosion, and the Chef's statement backs that up, since he said there were absolutely no problems before the out-of-the-blue explosion.

Savage also talked about the recent sinking of the South Korean vessel, and about how North Korea has been building a large fleet of suicide subs. Very interesting show.

72 posted on 05/01/2010 2:06:53 AM PDT by montag813 (www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: dalereed
I remember this.

Santa Barbara Oil Spill

On January 28th, 1969, one of Union Oil's offshore platforms experienced a blowout that caused around 4 million gallons of oil to contaminate over 40 miles of southern California coastline in the course of 8 days. Dead seals and dolphins washed ashore in the aftermath, and thousands of birds died from being soaked in oil.

73 posted on 05/01/2010 2:20:05 AM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: dalereed
I remember this.

Santa Barbara Oil Spill

On January 28th, 1969, one of Union Oil's offshore platforms experienced a blowout that caused around 4 million gallons of oil to contaminate over 40 miles of southern California coastline in the course of 8 days. Dead seals and dolphins washed ashore in the aftermath, and thousands of birds died from being soaked in oil.

74 posted on 05/01/2010 2:21:30 AM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: Cedar

The tephlon community organizer and chief.......................... who me? I wanted offshore drilling. yeah right! eco terrorists graduated from car dealerships to this


75 posted on 05/01/2010 3:22:55 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (@#$^%$#!@$#!&*&%)
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To: ronnie raygun
"...eco terrorists graduated from car dealerships to this"

I wonder who provided to deep sea equipment necessary to pull this off?

76 posted on 05/01/2010 3:30:19 AM PDT by liberateUS
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To: dalereed; Natural Born 54

On the general subject, the La Brea Tar Pits didn’t happen because there wasn’t a ton of hydrocarbons bubbling to the surface in the general area.


77 posted on 05/01/2010 3:48:19 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: dennisw

Dang, you beat me to it. See my previous post.


78 posted on 05/01/2010 3:49:28 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: thecodont

Nice find, well done.

Or no well, as the case may be. ;-P


79 posted on 05/01/2010 3:52:57 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: MHGinTN

My understanding, limited as it is, the blowout was the result of the fire. I had not heard the interview. Thanks!


80 posted on 05/01/2010 4:05:56 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: KDD
That's just about how the beach at Goleta looked in the 50s from natural seepage!
81 posted on 05/01/2010 4:29:57 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: onyx
There are two stories here... NUMBER ONE... the hussein administration failed in not responding to this event for 8 days... Bush and Katrina were a media induced lynching... but this shines the light on the entire administration's ineptness and the idiots obama appointed to run our government. ALL of these people share one criteria... their ideology. None of oabama’s people are qualified for any position that they hold... I mean look at hildebeast as SoS!

NUMBER TWO... something happened that was not normal... much of the response so far has been highly unusual... I mean SWAT TEAMS should signal that there is something terribly wrong here... and with all of our enemies... both within and outside of our own government... well... to not be suspicious and question this entire disaster would be pure unadulterated idiocy. Then there is the Russian Military report about the norks and their sub... something smells badly! That is what I think.

LLS

82 posted on 05/01/2010 5:02:57 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: Frantzie

Thanks Frantzie!


83 posted on 05/01/2010 5:14:37 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Cedar

The LOSER government officials are totally IMPOTENT here. They have done NOTHING.


84 posted on 05/01/2010 5:25:45 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: FreedomPoster

Synchronicity...happens all the time here


85 posted on 05/01/2010 5:26:02 AM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: Cedar

The govt is going to sue his company and anyone involved with it. It is dangerous to speak now, with anti-business Mullah Obama in charge.


86 posted on 05/01/2010 5:27:21 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: GeronL

As a Jewess in the US, I believe the gulf oil platform was sunk by a North Korean Stealth Torpedo, the 2nd test of the same type that they used to take out the South Korean Navy ship last month.


87 posted on 05/01/2010 5:30:45 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Cedar
"We cannot rest and we will not rest until BP permanently seals the wellhead and until they clean up every drop of oil,"

That will never happen. Obama wants to take over BP, that's why he has done nothing about it. The media was all over Bush in three days, after Katrina.

88 posted on 05/01/2010 5:35:49 AM PDT by chainsaw ( 'You know that your landing gear is up and locked when it takes full power to taxi to the terminal)
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To: chainsaw

Scientists Find That Tons Of Oil Seep Into The Gulf Of Mexico Each Year

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/01/000127082228.htm


89 posted on 05/01/2010 5:38:56 AM PDT by airborne ("It's a great day for hockey!" - 'Badger' Bob Johnson (RIP))
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To: LibLieSlayer
There were no literal "SWAT teams." That is just someone's poor use of words. The department deployed SWAT teams from the Minerals Management Service to inspect 30 drilling rigs operating in the deepwater sections of the Gulf of Mexico. Inspections should be completed within the next week, according to an Interior Department spokeswoman. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/04/oil_spill_the_governments_resp.html
90 posted on 05/01/2010 5:45:17 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: Cedar

Drill down 100 feet and set off a tactical nuke. Right where the blowout is. Why would this not work? Maybe even 30 feet would do it or no drilling at all. Just nuke it.


91 posted on 05/01/2010 6:02:22 AM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: Cedar

I’ve read that during the trailing end of the last ice age, I mean we are talking 13-17 thousand years ago, worldwide human population fell to the 5-10 thousand level.

That’s part of the reason I find the gorebull warming folks to be a bunch of head cases. If it warms, more stuff might grow.

If it cools, and crops fail, (which, incidentally, for those with educations based on the liberal method, is a side effect of it getting colder!!!), if it cools, get used to cannibalism.

Without any Fava beans...


92 posted on 05/01/2010 6:08:28 AM PDT by djf
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To: dalereed

“The crowning blow was the 10% wellhead tax that Carter put in in 74 that he called an excess profit tax.”

Quite a trick for Carter seeing as he didn’t become president until 1977


93 posted on 05/01/2010 6:46:55 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Frantzie

A SCUBA crew only has to attach the demo to the pipe, in a way that it will sink to the bottom before exploding. I’m not going to draw pictures here, but it can be done.


94 posted on 05/01/2010 7:02:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Cedar

Don’t you all find it strange that we’ve had two energy related catastrophes within a month, both which zero either threatened to destroy, or not use at all?

I thought there was a third one, possibly human created problem, but cannot remember.


95 posted on 05/01/2010 7:53:19 AM PDT by madison10
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To: Cedar

I was sent this in the mail a few days ago.

The rig belongs to Transocean, the world’s biggest offshore drilling contractor. The rig was originally contracted through the year 2013 to BP and was working on BP’s Macondo exploration well when the fire broke out. The rig costs about $500,000 per day to contract. The full drilling spread, with helicopters and support vessels and other services, will cost closer to $1,000,000 per day to operate in the course of drilling for oil and gas. The rig cost about $350,000,000 to build in 2001 and would cost at least double that to replace today.

The rig represents the cutting edge of drilling technology. It is a floating rig, capable of working in up to 10,000 ft water depth. The rig is not moored; It does not use anchors because it would be too costly and too heavy to suspend this mooring load from the floating structure. Rather, a triply-redundant computer system uses satellite positioning to control powerful thrusters that keep the rig on station within a few feet of its intended location, at all times. This is called Dynamic Positioning.

The rig had apparently just finished cementing steel casing in place at depths exceeding 18,000 ft. The next operation was to suspend the well so that the rig could move to its next drilling location, the idea being that a rig would return to this well later in order to complete the work necessary to bring the well into production.

It is thought that somehow formation fluids – oil /gas – got into the wellbore and were undetected until it was too late to take action. With a floating drilling rig setup, because it moves with the waves, currents, and winds, all of the main pressure control equipment sits on the seabed – the uppermost unmoving point in the well. This pressure control equipment – the Blowout Preventers, or ‘BOP’s” as they’re called, are controlled with redundant systems from the rig. In the event of a serious emergency, there are multiple Panic Buttons to hit, and even fail-safe dead man systems that should be automatically engaged when something of this proportion breaks out. None of them were apparently activated, suggesting that the blowout was especially swift to escalate at the surface. The flames were visible up to about 35 miles away. Not the glow – the flames. They were 200 – 300 ft high.

All of this will be investigated and it will be some months before all of the particulars are known. For now, it is enough to say that this marvel of modern technology, which had been operating with an excellent safety record, has burned up and sunk taking souls with it.

The well still is apparently flowing oil, which is appearing at the surface as a slick. They have been working with remotely operated vehicles, or ROV’s which are essentially tethered miniature submarines with manipulator arms and other equipment that can perform work underwater while the operator sits on a vessel. These are what were used to explore the Titanic, among other things. Every floating rig has one on board and they are in constant use. In this case, they are deploying ROV’s from dedicated service vessels. They have been trying to close the well in using a specialized port on the BOP’s and a pumping arrangement on their ROV’s. They have been unsuccessful so far. Specialized pollution control vessels have been scrambled to start working the spill, skimming the oil up.

In the coming weeks they will move in at least one other rig to drill a fresh well that will intersect the blowing one at its pay zone. They will use technology that is capable of drilling from a floating rig, over 3 miles deep to an exact specific point in the earth – with a target radius of just a few feet plus or minus. Once they intersect their target, a heavy fluid will be pumped that exceeds the formation’s pressure, thus causing the flow to cease and rendering the well safe at last. It will take at least a couple of months to get this done, bringing all available technology to bear. It will be an ecological disaster if the well flows all of the while; optimistically, it could bridge off down hole.


96 posted on 05/01/2010 8:11:43 AM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: 2harddrive

The government would know it wouldn’t they? Or soon will.


97 posted on 05/01/2010 9:22:16 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: Cedar

Anyone know if there are any Boots & Coots type outfits that deal with underwater blowouts?


98 posted on 05/01/2010 9:29:44 AM PDT by mewzilla (Still voteless in NY-29.)
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To: jwparkerjr

The blowout released a copious amount of gass which being heavier than air settled over the deck of the rig and nearly anything could have ignited the gass which caused the fire and likely caused the death of the eleven men working the deck area around the rig. The blowout is a sudden catastrophic release of gass under enormous pressure. The ‘plug’ holding down the contents of the tubing was blown out the top of a 200 foot derrick structure because of the sudden pressure surge.


99 posted on 05/01/2010 9:35:04 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: chainsaw

“...Obama wants to take over BP...”

Good luck with that.

BP is British Petroleum. British.


100 posted on 05/01/2010 9:50:26 AM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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