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The U.S. Sniper's More Accurate, Quieter Rifle
Popular Mechanics ^ | 4/30/2010 | By Roxana Tiron

Posted on 05/02/2010 2:03:44 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

Recognizing the differences between conditions in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Army is now selecting a contractor to upgrade the 22-year-old Remington bolt-action rifle to become a more effective killing machine. The Army will pour about $5.6 million into upgrades to the M24, with the new gear expected to be delivered to troops by this fall. The M24's barrel is being modified to shoot heavier .300 Winchester Magnum rounds, instead of the 7.62mm NATO ammunition, which should extend the rifle's maximum effective range by hundreds of yards to a maximum of about 1400 yards. The suppressor will reduce the noise and flash of the gun so snipers can stay in their hiding positions much longer after they fire.

The Army is also adopting a new chassis that allows for more "real estate" on the rifle—meaning the ability to attach accessories, especially much-needed night-vision devices that clip on directly to the rail in front of the scope. The scope itself will be improved, adding a variable power system that can reach 16.5x to 25x magnification. The Army will also fit the rifles with a rangefinder so troops will no longer have to perform calculations on distance. "The engagement is a lot farther [in Afghanistan] than in Iraq," says Milo Afong, a former Marine Corps sniper who researched the experience of snipers in Afghanistan for his new book, Hunters: U.S. Snipers in the War on Terror. "You are looking at higher altitudes and less populated areas."

(Excerpt) Read more at popularmechanics.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 300; afghanistan; armysnipers; banglist; rifle; sniper; usarmy

1 posted on 05/02/2010 2:03:45 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove

Back during WWII entire German towns would surrender when the first US Sniper opened up. In part that is because the US Army preferred sniper weapon was the 155mm artillery cannon.

“When the US Army is sniping with 155mm cannons, it is time to give up!”.


2 posted on 05/02/2010 2:40:01 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: sonofstrangelove

25x zoom is nice, but should not this kind of improvement be incremental, as a SOP with the general technology improvements, instead of being done every quarter century or in a fork lift fashion?


3 posted on 05/02/2010 2:42:52 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; Squantos; SLB

.300 Win Mag BANG!


4 posted on 05/02/2010 3:09:33 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: CutePuppy

That has been tried, but what ends up happening often is that the incremental improvements expose other bugs or weaknesses, which then have to be corrected with incremental improvements, which expose other bugs or weaknesses... you get the idea.


5 posted on 05/02/2010 3:11:05 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

5.6 million dollars to upgrade a rifle?


6 posted on 05/02/2010 3:17:33 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: sonofstrangelove

7 posted on 05/02/2010 3:18:23 AM PDT by DemforBush (Somebody wake me when sanity has returned to the nation.)
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To: Spktyr
... you get the idea.

Yeah, it's a part of standard R&D cycle, but I was not suggessting to subject the snipers in the field to alpha or beta-test, and a quarter century seems a bit long for the version 1.xx on a sniper rifle. The improvements described seem to be technologically fairly incremental, not 2.0...

8 posted on 05/02/2010 3:25:13 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: FreedomPoster; CodeToad; Squantos

What’s the barrel life difference between .308 and .300WM?


9 posted on 05/02/2010 4:34:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Venturer
5.6 million dollars to upgrade a rifle?

It's not as much money as it used to be.

10 posted on 05/02/2010 4:35:38 AM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: Travis McGee
What’s the barrel life difference between .308 and .300WM?

In terms of a sniping rifle, probably none. Both should hold premium accuracy for more than 2,000 rounds. A rebarrel is cheap and quick.

11 posted on 05/02/2010 4:52:35 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: sonofstrangelove

Bookmark


12 posted on 05/02/2010 4:54:30 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: Lion Den Dan

Sounds reasonable. So they are keeping the old M-24 receivers/stocks?

Why not go to all new rifles in .338L if they want long range?


13 posted on 05/02/2010 4:58:21 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Just jazz up the Cheytac Intervention M-200 and save 6 million dollars...


14 posted on 05/02/2010 5:31:17 AM PDT by BushCountry (scratch here ############################### to reveal my thoughts on the Obama Administration.)
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To: Travis McGee

About 7,000 versus about 2,700.


15 posted on 05/02/2010 6:22:59 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: BushCountry

I really enjoyed a TV segment featuring this rifle. When the hand held “puter” calculates, in part, the rotational spin of the earth for an exact aiming point you know you have a long range precision weapon. I recall that it’s based on a new cartridge the 408 Cheytec and others like the 338L. On target groups to 2,300 yards documented.


16 posted on 05/02/2010 7:12:55 AM PDT by mcshot (Flip da house and repel the RINOs.)
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To: FreedomPoster

“.300 Win Mag BANG!”

_________________________________________________

A couple of weeks ago, I bought a ticket from Friends of NRA. They will have a drawing for one rifle, from a 10 rifle limited edition, of the Browning BLR Lightweight ‘81. I am not absolutely sure, but I think the one they had was chambered in .300 Win Mag. I AM absolutely sure it was beautiful, and I would love to be the winner!


17 posted on 05/02/2010 7:33:34 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: mcshot

“I really enjoyed a TV segment featuring this rifle.”

I saw that. Amazing!


18 posted on 05/02/2010 7:44:44 AM PDT by dljordan (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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To: Venturer
5.6 million dollars to upgrade a rifle?

Hey, it's a pretty nice rifle!

19 posted on 05/02/2010 7:54:43 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Lion Den Dan
A rebarrel is cheap and quick.

And Uncle Sugar is paying for it. I would think that the heavy barrels used on the .308's could have their chambers reamed to accomodate .300 Win. mag., but they'll brobably just buy new rifles.

20 posted on 05/02/2010 8:54:40 AM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: CutePuppy

Well, the other side of the equation is that (as I understand it) sniping really hasn’t changed all that much in in the last 50 years. Newer rounds, better scopes and stocks - but it still comes down to the operator and the basic bolt-action - most of which date back to the Mauser design of 1898.


21 posted on 05/02/2010 9:51:18 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

Several years ago I had gone to the range at a wildlife management area. About the time we were unloaded and ready to go, a young guy shows up wearing hunting cammies carrying a rifle case. Unloads a scoped .300 Win Mag, which is serious overkill for game here in GA. “Just sighting in my rifle for deer season!”

First shot he takes, he gets a scope recoil crescent moon cut above his right eye, just this side of needing a butterfly or a stitch or two for closure. Ouch, and just damn.


22 posted on 05/02/2010 11:26:56 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: gundog
And Uncle Sugar is paying for it. I would think that the heavy barrels used on the .308's could have their chambers reamed to accomodate .300 Win. mag., but they'll brobably just buy new rifles.

Hey, I thought that the military Remmies were assembled on long actions (though the 7.62x51 usually goes in a short action) precisely with the forethought that they may be readily converted to .300 WM by field armourers just by switching barrels. What gives?

23 posted on 05/02/2010 11:47:59 AM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: gundog

Can the M-24 receiver accept the .300 WM? Is it not a short action?


24 posted on 05/02/2010 1:33:50 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Brass Lamp

You may have answered my question below yours.


25 posted on 05/02/2010 1:35:07 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: gundog
have their chambers reamed to accomodate .300 Win. mag.,

Action is too short for the .300 Win Mag.

26 posted on 05/02/2010 1:39:18 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Travis McGee
Why not go to all new rifles in .338L if they want long range?

The .338L might cull a number of potential snipers due to recoil but in reality, the.338L makes lots of sense which cancels that idea.

27 posted on 05/02/2010 1:43:36 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: donmeaker

In Vietnam, the 90mm main gun on the M-48 tank was used in conjunction with an infrared spotlight. Tended to keep the VC at a considerable distance.


28 posted on 05/02/2010 1:47:29 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: MileHi

Your ‘Tag’ line brought this Out,

We are reduced to the alternative of chusing an unconditional submission to the tyranny of irritated ministers, or resistance by force.

— The latter is our choice. —

We have counted the cost of this contest, and find nothing so dreadful as voluntary slavery.

— Honour, justice, and humanity, forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent posterity have a right to receive from us.

We cannot endure the infamy and guilt of resigning succeeding generations to that wretchedness which inevitably awaits them, if we basely entail hereditary bondage upon them.

Thomas Jefferson [1775]


29 posted on 05/02/2010 3:28:37 PM PDT by bravotu (Have a Nice Day !)
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To: bravotu

Great quote!


30 posted on 05/02/2010 3:43:18 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: EdReform

bookmark


31 posted on 05/03/2010 7:58:12 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: FreedomPoster
Unloads a scoped .300 Win Mag, which is serious overkill for game here in GA.

No doubt. Now in south ga hunting peanut fields ya need some distance, but in north ga, a 12 ga slug or a 30-30 is plenty.

32 posted on 05/03/2010 8:03:40 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: Brass Lamp

I dunno. Got to thinking about it and thought maybe they meant .300 WSM. FN does a beauty sniper rifle in both 7.62 Nato and .300 WSM. Sounds like the ordinance boys are trying to reinvent the .30-06 without owning up to the possibility that maybe they should have stuck with it. I think that 90% of targets shot with a .30-06 would be just as dead as if shot with a .300 Mag. The others would probably spend a couple days in a Taliban field hospital and then die.


33 posted on 05/03/2010 9:16:29 AM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: FreedomPoster; Travis McGee

A .30-’06 cartridge loaded with a 190gr Sierra MatchKing bullet and 58 grains of RE-19 powder will give you a round very nearly identical to Federal Match ammo for the .300 Win Mag.


34 posted on 05/04/2010 12:02:29 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

It’s amazing to think of how rapid the development was from muzzle loader, to .45-70 and the like, to the 30 ought 6. What, 40 years?

And now more than a century later, it’s still a VERY serious cartridge!


35 posted on 05/04/2010 1:32:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: CutePuppy

Doesn’t matter how many whiz bang gadgets you got, success will still be measured by how well the man uses his rifle.

That, and, given the environment snipers operate in; the old axiom of “when all else fails, low tech rules” would seem apropos.


36 posted on 05/04/2010 1:44:30 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Travis McGee
I think it's really more like 30 years.

The American Civil War was fought primarily with black-powder muzzle-loaders as infantry weapons.

Then there was an era of metallic cartridges, the .45-70, .577 Snider and the 577-450 Martini-Henry of Rorke's Drift fame introduced in the decades shortly after the war.

Off the top of my head, the .303 British SMLE, introduced in 1895, was the first rifle shooting a "small" (compared to all the .45-and-above) diameter, high-velocity bullet, followed in the next decade by the various 7.62/8mm Mauser and Springfield rifles.

But then, consider the development of military aircraft in the 30 years from 1920 to 1950 - Sopwith Camel to the B-36, the B-47 and the Sabrejet.

Back to the original discussion, the '06 is the basis of my collection.

37 posted on 05/04/2010 2:17:17 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
Bonnie and Clyde liked it, in the BAR.

Versatile, I'd say.

38 posted on 05/04/2010 2:48:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

And anything John Moses Browning liked, is okay with me.


39 posted on 05/04/2010 3:37:20 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: gundog

The M24 is built on the Model 700 Long (Sendero) action, which allows them to easily upgrade the rifle with a simple barrel swap. The Marine M40 is built on the short action, since no rebarrel was planned.

The acquisition of the M24 had always supposed a barrel swap, not a modification of the .308 barrel.


40 posted on 05/28/2010 11:26:14 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE (h)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Thanks for the clarification.


41 posted on 05/29/2010 8:03:43 AM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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