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Dobson: GOP misled me on Rand Paul
Politico ^ | 05/03/2010 | Josh Kraushaar

Posted on 05/03/2010 8:38:55 AM PDT by speciallybland

Christian conservative leader James Dobson withdrew his endorsement of Kentucky Senate candidate Trey Grayson Monday, switching his support to Rand Paul’s campaign and accusing “senior members of the GOP” of misleading him about Paul’s record on abortion.

Dobson said in an audio recording that he made an “embarrassing mistake” as a result of misunderstanding Paul’s position on abortion.

“I was given misleading information about the candidacy of Dr. Rand Paul, who is running in the Republican Primary for the U.S. Senate. Senior members of the GOP told me Dr. Paul is pro-choice and that he opposes many conservative perspectives, so I endorsed his opponent,” Dobson explained. “But now I've received further information from OB/GYNs in Kentucky whom I trust, and from interviewing the candidate himself.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: 2010; 2010endorsements; abortion; congress; dobson; elections; grayson; jamesdobson; kentucky; ky2010; paul; prolifevote; randpaul; senate; treygrayson; ussenate
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1 posted on 05/03/2010 8:38:55 AM PDT by speciallybland
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To: speciallybland
Kentucky Right to Life, the state’s largest anti-abortion organization, has endorsed Grayson in the primary

I think you have to look carefully at some of these RTL groups, which may be politicized. I know which ones I trust, but I don't know this one. Same with the Tea Party, which was kidnapped in one state.

As for “senior members of the GOP," I would trust them about as far as I could kick them.

The higher up in the party, the less trustworthy, these days. Because they have cushier jobs, more to lose in a real conservative reform, more practice at lying, and probably got where they are by prostituting themselves.

2 posted on 05/03/2010 8:44:57 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: speciallybland

These Vichy Republicans need a collaborators haircut. Followed by a liberal application of tar and feathers.


3 posted on 05/03/2010 8:44:59 AM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Noumenon

Vichy Republicans. I like that!


4 posted on 05/03/2010 8:50:10 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax
Vichy Republicans. I like that!

BTTT!!!

5 posted on 05/03/2010 8:51:36 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: speciallybland

WHO IS IN CHARGE AT THE GOP AND WHAT THE *HELL* ARE THEY DOING????????

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION CYCLE SINCE REAGAN


6 posted on 05/03/2010 8:52:42 AM PDT by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: speciallybland

I know nothing about Rand’s stand on abortion.

But I do know his father’s stance. While I do not support Ron Paul on many issues, I do know that his pro-life record is among the best of any politican in the nation.

FWIW.


7 posted on 05/03/2010 9:02:57 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: speciallybland

I guess Dobson doesn’t read FR or research for himself


8 posted on 05/03/2010 9:03:38 AM PDT by ebersole
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To: Oldpuppymax

Singularly and historically appropriate, don’t you think?


9 posted on 05/03/2010 9:04:39 AM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Mr. K

I suspect John Cornyn is at the root of this lie against Rand.

He’s screwed up every primary, he’s had his RINO hand in.


10 posted on 05/03/2010 9:08:42 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: speciallybland
Here's a link to an article about the NKY Right to Life group...
11 posted on 05/03/2010 9:15:20 AM PDT by Fish Speaker (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: speciallybland

Rand Paul has already betrayed us with his “blame America” rhetoric that apologizes to terrorists. To promote the Paul agenda would be a National Security disaster. Dobson is making a huge mistake.


12 posted on 05/03/2010 9:30:50 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: TheBigIf
Whatever... Your way is why Obama is in office and the Dems control congress. Sorry NOT buying that B.S. line any more...
13 posted on 05/03/2010 9:41:48 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518

So ‘my way’ of not wanting to support a candidate who is clueless in regards to National Security and spouts rhetoric blaming America and apologizing for terrorists (just like the democrats have) is what you are opposed to? Sorry but it is your BS that is not worth buying, not mine.


14 posted on 05/03/2010 9:44:31 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Responsibility2nd

The prolifers who object to Rand’s position are doing so on a principled basis. Rand would say he is prolife, but he defers to federalism by defending the right of individual states to continue aborting babies as they see fit. Murder is murder is murder, and while individual states may vary in how they punish it, the fundamental right, both natural and constitutional, to life remains a universal obligation to defend, and not something individual states can opt out of. That is a legitimate criticism of Rand’s prolife posturing, and Dobson is turning a small mistake into a big one.


15 posted on 05/03/2010 9:45:31 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: speciallybland

Dobson should be ashamed of himself. Rand Paul is pro-choice for states on abortion.


16 posted on 05/03/2010 9:47:18 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: Sprite518

Then you’re just trading one line of BS for another. It’s time to trade up. Compromise is how we got to this hell-hole we’re in and succumbing to yet more compromise will not get us out. Do the math.


17 posted on 05/03/2010 9:49:01 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: EternalVigilance

You are endorsing Trey Grayson?


18 posted on 05/03/2010 9:51:35 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Springfield Reformer

Agree Compromise IS the problem. Compromise is ONLY good 1 time only. That tactic should be as rare as constitutional convention, and NOT part of the daily routine. If you keep coming back to the table, then you are slowly giving away your ground.


19 posted on 05/03/2010 9:51:54 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: ansel12

No. I’m telling the truth about Rand Paul’s position.


20 posted on 05/03/2010 9:52:37 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: EternalVigilance

Trey Grayson or Rand Paul, or a Democrat will become a Senator for Kentucky.

Voters have to decide which one they will vote for, are you saying that they should vote for Trey Grayson or the Democrat, over Rand Paul?


21 posted on 05/03/2010 9:56:36 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: EternalVigilance

“Damn that pesky 10th amendment.”


22 posted on 05/03/2010 9:56:38 AM PDT by speciallybland
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To: speciallybland
“Damn that pesky 10th amendment.”

There's not a word in the Tenth Amendment that allows for the alienation of unalienable rights.

23 posted on 05/03/2010 10:01:59 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: speciallybland
For the people here supporting Trey Grayson over Rand Paul.

The only support that Trey Grayson has is the pro abortion crowd.

"In a Republican Primary for US Senate today, 04/12/10, 5 weeks from the vote, Rand Paul defeats Trey Grayson 45% to 30%, according to this exclusive Louisville Courier-Journal Bluegrass / WHAS-TV Poll conducted by SurveyUSA. Compared to a SurveyUSA poll released 5 weeks ago, both candidates have gained 3 points. Paul, an eye surgeon, political activist, and son of Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul, leads by double digits among men and women, among conservatives, pro-life voters, gun owners, those without college educations, those with lower household incomes, and in western and north-central Kentucky. Grayson, Kentucky's Secretary of State, is competitive among middle-aged voters, moderate and liberal voters, those who do not own guns, college graduates, those with higher incomes, and in Eastern Kentucky."

"Grayson leads today only among the 1 in 5 Republican primary voters who say they are pro-choice."

24 posted on 05/03/2010 10:04:34 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: EternalVigilance
No. I’m telling the truth about Rand Paul’s position.

Rand Paul: "I am 100% pro life. I believe abortion is taking the life of an innocent human being. I believe life begins at conception and it is the duty of our government to protect this life. I will always vote for any and all legislation that would end abortion or lead us in the direction of ending abortion. I believe in a Human Life Amendment and a Life at Conception Act as federal solutions to the abortion issue. I also believe that while we are working toward this goal, there are many other things we can accomplish in the near term."

25 posted on 05/03/2010 10:06:29 AM PDT by takenoprisoner (Freedom Watch: fight for freedom with everything you have.)
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To: ansel12

Nothing says I have to have a dog in every fight.

But the Paul family’s sometimes blatant, sometimes-subtle, deceptions are helping destroy the country and the conservative movement. So, I’ll keep speaking out about that whenever possible.


26 posted on 05/03/2010 10:08:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: TheBigIf
Hey I was once where you are now. I understand how you feel, but it's not what you think.

Think about this. Whenever the Republicans had the majority what happened with the size of government? Did they ever eliminate an agency? What did they do about Illegal immigration?

How about this. When some people are against the Department of Homeland Security. It's because they fear that one day someone in Washington will get in power, and use that against the American People. Case in point, FBI’s Mueller for calling home-grown terrorists a threat equal to Al Qaeda. Think about how silent the Federal Government is about the Ft Hood massacre. Who are they targeting. Veterans, Militias, people who do not believe in abortion and the tea party.

We as a nation have to be VERY careful about giving our government power because if it gets into the wrong hands. It could be used against us.

Speaking of the war. We have very superior technology compared to the rest of the world. Our military can do amazing things, but for whatever reason we cannot find OBL. A man hidden in a Cave?

Have you heard what the MAIN CIA guy in charge of getting OBL said? I watched an interview with him, and according to him we let him go. This CIA officer had a great record. That is why he was put in charge, and now he speaking out. I trust this guy over a politician any day.

Think about our government this way. They have lied to us about Social Security and medicare. In other words they have spent the trust fund. They have lied to us about global warming. If government was a person or even a business. How can you trust them?

So going back to Rand Paul. He wants to get our nation back to the way our Founding Fathers intended it to be. I suggest you look into it. I know you look like you know it already. I will be more than happy to email (via Free Republic) to show you what I'm looking at.

27 posted on 05/03/2010 10:10:12 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: takenoprisoner

Sounds great. Until you get past the deception and realize that he and his father are pro-choice for states, and that the amendments and legislation they propose contain no requirement that the states do their sworn duty under the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments and protect the unalienable right to life of every innocent person in this country.


28 posted on 05/03/2010 10:10:43 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: EternalVigilance

I see. I know the argument. Saying the “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” line from the Declaration of Independence directly mandates a federal ban on abortion is as flimsy as the leftists who like to say that the “promote the general welfare” part of the preamble mandates social security and universal healthcare.

Abortion should be a states’ issue. It shouldn’t be legalized or banned at the national level.


29 posted on 05/03/2010 10:11:45 AM PDT by speciallybland
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To: EternalVigilance

Campaigning against one of two candidates is to be campaigning for one of them.

I have to put you down as a Trey Grayson supporter.


30 posted on 05/03/2010 10:14:44 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: speciallybland
Abortion should be a states’ issue. It shouldn’t be legalized or banned at the national level.

Let's test your logical consistency:

Other than the supreme unalienable right, the right to life, what other unalienable rights do you want "the states to decide"? Free speech? Freedom of the press? Freedom of association? The right of free assembly? The Right to Keep and Bear Arms? Trial by jury? Parental Rights? What?

Since the Constitution is THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND, and the Constitution itself states as its crowning purpose to "secure the Blessings of Liberty to Posterity." How then can it be "legal" to kill posterity ANYWHERE in America?

The Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments explicitly prohibit the killing of any innocent person without a fair trial.

The Fourteenth Amendment additionally requires the states to provide for the equal protection of the laws to ALL persons in their jurisdiction.

Do you, like the Pauls, simply ignore these FACTS.

Shoot, even the infamous Blackmun, the author of Roe, admitted in the decision that if the fetus is a person they are OF COURSE protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.

Or perhaps, like Blackmun, you don't think the fetus IS a person?

31 posted on 05/03/2010 10:20:39 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: ansel12

Do whatever you want, troll. I can’t stop you.


32 posted on 05/03/2010 10:21:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Look, it is not my job to tell the conservatives in Kentucky who to choose. It is difficult for me to trust Libertarians on national security, too.

But you need to check both your constitution and history. Murder is and has always been prosecuted and enforced by the states. Murder is not a federal crime unless you murder a federal employee or official. I, for one, would be delighted to give the states the freedom to define and enforce crimes against the unborn. The states were doing just fine until the SCOTUS interfered with the Roe v Wade decision. I think the right to life movement is quite prepared to succeed in a fight in almost every state legislature if they are given the chance.


33 posted on 05/03/2010 10:24:06 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Your brittleness is astounding, any challenge to you at all starts the personal attacks.


34 posted on 05/03/2010 10:25:26 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Springfield Reformer

It’s not enough to be pro-life and leave it up to the states.

This is a federal issue. We need the USSC to overturn Roe v. Wade.

We need a pro-life amendment added to the US Constitution.

Anything less is unacceptable.


35 posted on 05/03/2010 10:25:34 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: speciallybland

By the way, the Declaration of Independence is our national charter, and the cornerstone of the organic law of the United States. Without the founding principles contained in this critical document (that you so blithely brush aside), you can’t even begin to understand what America even is.

If you’ll go to the website of the US House of Representatives and click on the US Code, you’ll see that the Declaration is presented exactly in that way. It’s the first reference point of the organic law.


36 posted on 05/03/2010 10:25:46 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: ansel12
Your brittleness is astounding

Whatever, troll.

37 posted on 05/03/2010 10:26:35 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: EternalVigilance; speciallybland

So you support Trey Grayson in his race against Rand Paul.

How do you account for the fact that pro lifers in Kentucky support Rand Paul, and that the pro abortion crowd supports your man Trey Grayson?

This Dobson endorsement reversal seems to support the idea that Rand is the better pro-life candidate over your establishment man, what are you seeing about Trey Grayson that the voters are not?


38 posted on 05/03/2010 10:30:07 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: ansel12

Don’t lie and put words in my mouth, troll. I’ve never endorsed Trey Grayson.


39 posted on 05/03/2010 10:32:03 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: ansel12

So, troll, are you endorsing pro-choice for states, Libertarian, isolationist, blame-Israel and America-firster, Adam Kokesh-endorsing Rand Paul?


40 posted on 05/03/2010 10:36:11 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: EternalVigilance

In this primary race you are working for Trey Grayson to defeat Rand Paul, yet Rand Paul is seen by Kentucky primary voters as pro-life.

Trey Grayson is seen by Kentucky pro-choice voters as not being pro-life, how do you account for that?

How do you account that you are directing your efforts against the more pro-life candidate, in an effort to defeat him, giving the race to Trey Grayson?


41 posted on 05/03/2010 10:38:03 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: ansel12

Liar.


42 posted on 05/03/2010 10:43:22 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: ansel12

So, troll, are you endorsing pro-choice for states, Libertarian, isolationist, blame-Israel and America-firster, Adam Kokesh-endorsing Rand Paul?


43 posted on 05/03/2010 10:43:47 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: EternalVigilance

You are against Rand Paul in a two man race, that means you want Trey Grayson to win.

I am against Trey Grayson in a two man race, that means that I want Rand Paul to win.


44 posted on 05/03/2010 10:49:38 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Sprite518

I understand that both Pauls have an upside to them in regards to their commitment to limited government but… Both Pauls misrepresent the Founders in regards to National Security and are flat out nuts in that regard. I have no problem though with anyone being highly skeptical of the Republican party and how they have advanced bigger government or in being skeptical of the Patriot Act or Homeland Security. These are areas that we must debate and find the proper solution that can maintain the best possible National Security while maximizing liberty for all. Whereas both Ron and Rand Paul have gone off the charts in the statements they have made in blaming America and apologizing for terrorists. This make them both a danger to our nation politically.


45 posted on 05/03/2010 10:50:56 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: ansel12

Well, you own him then.

I endorse neither candidate in this particular race. I don’t find either one acceptable.

But, I will continue to fight the Pauls and their extremely destructive deceptions. They’re poisoning the body politic, especially the conservative body politic.

If Trey Grayson benefits from that, that God’s deal, not mine.


46 posted on 05/03/2010 10:52:15 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: EternalVigilance
If Trey Grayson benefits from that, that God’s deal, not mine.

I doubt that God supports your man.

"Grayson leads today only among the 1 in 5 Republican primary voters who say they are pro-choice."

47 posted on 05/03/2010 10:55:41 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: ansel12

I doubt He supports someone who thinks states can kill babies if they want to.

And again, troll. You are a liar. There is no “your man” in my case, no matter how incessantly you lie.


48 posted on 05/03/2010 11:19:01 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: EternalVigilance

Something that is scary about you since you run a political party, is how authoritarian you are, you just do not tolerate any political discussion from those that disagree with you, the name calling and insults start the second you hear a challenge.

In this primary race you are working for Trey Grayson to defeat Rand Paul, yet Rand Paul is seen by Kentucky primary voters as pro-life.

Trey Grayson is seen by Kentucky pro-choice voters as not being pro-life, how do you account for that?

How do you account that you are directing your efforts against the more pro-life candidate, in an effort to defeat him, giving the race to Trey Grayson?


49 posted on 05/03/2010 11:22:41 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: ansel12

As usual, troll, your post is fraught with willful inaccuracies.

And I will keep calling you “troll,” troll, as long as you keep acting like a troll. You’ve stalked me thread to thread for months, twisting my words, lying, and even misrepresenting who and what I am.


50 posted on 05/03/2010 11:31:35 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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