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Strenger than Fiction / Jewish liberals from all nations, unite
haaretz ^ | 5/3/10 | Carlo Strenger

Posted on 05/03/2010 7:15:28 PM PDT by Nachum

Diaspora Jews around the world are realizing the time has come to reject the right’s dictate that being pro-Israel means that you need to support the policies of Israeli governments, no matter what they do.

The failure of the Camp David summit in 2000 and the onset of the Second Intifada have in stages swung the pendulum of Israeli politics to the right to the current government that includes Avigdor Lieberman - one of the most anti-democratic ministers Israel has ever had, who is moving Israel ever closer to the brink of total international isolation - and the Shas Party whose main impact is to push construction in East Jerusalem and the settlements.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fiction; jewish; liberals; schlemeils; strenger
George Soros Jews.
1 posted on 05/03/2010 7:15:28 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Jewish death wish?


2 posted on 05/03/2010 7:21:41 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Nachum

Schlemeils. Oy.


3 posted on 05/03/2010 7:48:32 PM PDT by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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To: Nachum
So the anti-Jews want to have a party.
4 posted on 05/03/2010 7:51:05 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Nachum

George Soros turned in his fellow Jews to the Nazis and profited from it. He has no love for Judiasm or Israel. How can be even be considered a “Jew”?


5 posted on 05/03/2010 8:10:27 PM PDT by montag813 (www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: Nachum

So these would be representatives from the anti-semitic sect of Judaism?


6 posted on 05/03/2010 9:03:21 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Nachum

Haaretz?.....-—SIGH-— By the way, do you read Yaacov Lozowick’s blog?


7 posted on 05/03/2010 10:20:12 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn
Yaacov Lozowick’s blog

No, had not. I will check it out though.

8 posted on 05/04/2010 8:25:22 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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9 posted on 05/04/2010 5:56:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: montag813; Nachum; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; nolongerademocrat; Atom Smasher; LucyT; tedbel; ncfool; ..
On another thread yesterday we were discussing whether or not Soros is a Jew. My vote was "no," since he collaborated with the Nazis as a teenager in Hungary and has never publicly identified as a Jew.

Dennis Prager, the author of the article that began that thread, referred to Soros as Jewish. Prager was discussing how "liberal" Jews - including Soros - have a tendency to trivialize the Holocaust and Nazism by invoking them in comparison to other, much less heinous, current regimes and events.

As to the posted article in this thread, I've never before heard of Carlo Strenger, and his promotion of J Street and leftist Jewish intellectuals in Europe deserves a couple of barfies.

10 posted on 05/05/2010 11:41:30 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Nachum

There should be a “BARF” warning for anything from Haartz.

It is more liberal than the NYT.


11 posted on 05/05/2010 12:11:08 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: justiceseeker93
I never heard of him either, but I will make it my personal business to get to know him better.


12 posted on 05/05/2010 12:13:16 PM PDT by MestaMachine (De inimico non loquaris sed cogites- Don't wish ill for your enemy; plan it)
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To: justiceseeker93

Soros was born into a Jewish family. There’s no evidence I’m aware of that he ever practiced the faith.


13 posted on 05/05/2010 12:20:30 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: justiceseeker93

He’s Jewish. Once Jewish, always Jewish. Nothing a man can do will seperate him from that identity.

Of course, the worst traitors to the Jewish people have always been Jewish.

It’s a rejection and hatred of self.


14 posted on 05/05/2010 12:37:57 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca

Love Your Tag Line.


15 posted on 05/05/2010 1:17:01 PM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: justiceseeker93
On another thread yesterday we were discussing whether or not Soros is a Jew. My vote was "no," since he collaborated with the Nazis as a teenager in Hungary and has never publicly identified as a Jew.

As long as he hasn't identified with another religion, he's a Jew, if he had converted, he'd be an apostate Jew, heretic if you prefer. There's no question of that. And as I noted briefly on the other thread, trivializing the Holocaust isn't limited to the left. On this site we refer to Obama as Hitler, his administration as the Reich, Jews and survivors as cowardly, self hating, oven Jews, marching off to the boxcars voluntarily on a continual basis. None of which has much to do with this article.

16 posted on 05/05/2010 3:54:10 PM PDT by SJackson (Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided, Barack Hussein Obama)
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17 posted on 05/05/2010 3:54:29 PM PDT by SJackson (Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided, Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: SJackson
As I'm sure you know, there are many people who might be classified as Jewish by some and non-Jewish by others, due to varying definitions of who is a Jew. That's one of the reason why Jewish population estimates of a particular city, state, nation, or the world may vary quite widely depending on the source of the number.

On this site we refer to Obama as Hitler...

On some levels, the Obama ideology resembles those of various tyrannic regimes down through history. Fortunately, it hasn't reached anywhere near the level of heinousness of Nazi Germany yet, but only the diligence of the American people can prevent it from swinging more in that direction.

18 posted on 05/05/2010 4:43:02 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
As I'm sure you know, there are many people who might be classified as Jewish by some and non-Jewish by others, due to varying definitions of who is a Jew.

In fact I'm not aware of that. I'm aware of disputes over conversion, which is irrelevant in Soros' case. I'm aware of apostacy had he converted, which doesn't apple, or expulsion from the Jewish community, rare and generally the local community. But I’m not aware of any question about the religious status of the child of a Jewish mother, irrelevant but father too, who hasn’t converted, as a Jew. Some Congregations might not welcome him, but that’s a different thing. We can’t just make these things up cause we don’t like the guy.

On some levels, the Obama ideology resembles those of various tyrannic regimes down through history. Fortunately, it hasn't reached anywhere near the level of heinousness of Nazi Germany yet, but only the diligence of the American people can prevent it from swinging more in that direction.

Right, he’s not Hitler, America not only hasn't reached anywhere near the level of heinousness of Nazi Germany yet, yet isn’t even in the equation. America isn’t going to round up Jews and kill them. These comparisons make conservatives look like nuts. More appropriate to the other thread, which I largely passed on, but you can’t credibly attack the left for making Nazi comparisons unless you’re willing to attack the right when they do it. It goes to credibility.

19 posted on 05/05/2010 5:35:11 PM PDT by SJackson (Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided, Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: SJackson; All
As far as Soros is concerned, I believe his collaborating with the Nazis is an indicator of his apostasy, and he has never (to the best of my knowledge) explained it or apologized for it. Nor, to the best of my knowledge, has he shown any inkling of reidentifying as a Jew. Admittedly, we should both delve into Soros' status in more detail before coming up with a definitive conclusion.

As for the more general issue as to "Who is a Jew?", you have to agree that there are some cases where this is a thorny problem. Israel has had to define Jewishness for the purpose of immigration policy, and that legal definition of "Jew" in Israel has caused some controversy. Most notoriously, there have been young Russian immigrants to Israel admitted as "Jews" who have no immediate Jewish family background and who have caused a lot of trouble in Israel by perpetrating antisemitic incidents.

20 posted on 05/05/2010 6:27:21 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
There isn’t any question about the status of the child of a Jewish mother, he/she is a Jew. Soros may be an as*hole, but he’s a Jewish as*hole. There’s really nothing to delve into. Our opinion of his actions are irrelevant, other than perhaps under the laws of Cherem, and even then if expelled from the community, or as an apostate he’s still a Jew.

Israel doesn’t “rule” on who’s a Jew, those issues would be dealt with by the Rabbinate if there was a question. Israel’s law of return is based on persecution as a Jew, not one’s status as a Jew. A Russian with a Jewish grandfather but a gentile mother who hasn’t adopted another religion can immigrate, since a Jewish grandfather could be the basis for persecution. Under the Reich, whose standards Israel adopted. However he would not be considered a Jew. Unless he converted. Orthodox conversion only, which is the issue you’re alluding to. But many Russian immigrants aren’t considered Jews by the Rabbinate.

21 posted on 05/05/2010 7:05:39 PM PDT by SJackson (Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided, Barack Hussein Obama)
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