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Bomb Suspect's Citizenship Raises Questions About Naturalization Process
Fox News ^ | May 4, 2010 | Fox News

Posted on 05/04/2010 1:32:27 PM PDT by libstripper

The suspect in the Times Square car bombing attempt is the latest in a series of U.S. citizens and green card holders to be implicated in a terror plot inside the United States, raising questions about the naturalization process that turns foreigners into Americans.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: faisalshahzad; immigrantlist; immigration; intelligence; islam; jihad; nationalsecurityfail; naturalization; obama; timessquare; wot
More importrant, and I give credit to Shepard Smith for noting this this afternoon, is that the Federal government absolutely failed to hae anyh intel on this guy before he tried to detonate the bomb. The whole operation failed simply and solely because he didn't obtain and didn't build an effective detonator. The regime's bragging about the quick apprehension of the perp is a HUGE smoke screen to cover its total intelligence failure in this case and others, like the underwear bomber.
1 posted on 05/04/2010 1:32:27 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper

Its too easy to get citizenship

hear that Mexico??


2 posted on 05/04/2010 1:33:25 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: libstripper

I’m surprised Mo Atta didn’t become a citizen. I guess he figured he didn’t need to.
I’m sure we would have bent backwards to give it to him if he’d asked.


3 posted on 05/04/2010 1:35:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: libstripper

Er, someone get the word to Fox that this isn’t exactly the kind of ‘immigration reform’ the Kenyan Kommie has in mind.


4 posted on 05/04/2010 1:36:33 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: libstripper
Our melting pot is boiling over. People seek to become Americans to do harm to the country not to assimilate. Multiculturalism and diversity will be the death of us.

It's time for an immediate moratorium on all immigrants from Muslim, sub-Saharan nations, and Latin American nations.

5 posted on 05/04/2010 1:36:34 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Obamunism: You have two cows. The regime redistributes them and shoots you dead)
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To: libstripper
They check they have no criminal record and can either support themselves or have sponsorship.

As people go visit their old countries, it is hard to know if they are visiting relatives or radical terrorist camps IMO. It all depends on the level of what is being watched and what intelligence is being loaded into data bases and made available.

People can’t read minds...yet.

6 posted on 05/04/2010 1:36:48 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: libstripper

It takes more than Obama giving 1.3 million ‘green cards’, to turn them into Americans...


7 posted on 05/04/2010 1:40:38 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: GeronL

We not only need to close the border with Mexico but halt all immigration from the Middle East, except Israel, for five years. Shut these people down. We didn’t start this crap but we can sure as hell put a stop to it. Well.....we could if we didn’t have those in Washington that wanted the United States to fail.


8 posted on 05/04/2010 1:45:51 PM PDT by RC2
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To: GeronL

It’s actually hard for Mexicans to get citizenship or even enter with a visa.

Obama speeded up the process for people from Muslim countries shortly after he took office.

The bomber had been in this country for quite some time legally, and had come as a student and somehow kept getting his visa renewed. He was working here in a marginal job because he was apparently a sub-par student.

One of the things Obama has already announced about whatever immigration bill is finally presented is that he wants more immigration from Muslim countries. Keep your eye on it. It’s going to make you wish for the good old days of illegal Mexicans.


9 posted on 05/04/2010 1:48:26 PM PDT by livius
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To: libstripper

Why ANY muslims, since 9-11, are being let into this country is beyond me. If they are being given citizenship, they must be arriving here legally. Incredible.


10 posted on 05/04/2010 1:52:07 PM PDT by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their federal funding!)
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To: libstripper

“State Department Using ‘Diversity Visas’ to Encourage Immigration to U.S. from Terror-Ridden Yemen”

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/59270

celebrate diversity !


11 posted on 05/04/2010 1:54:50 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants"-Albert Camus)
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To: libstripper

Maybe we should give the director of HSecurity job to that T shirt vendor that found the smoking car!!!!


12 posted on 05/04/2010 1:56:46 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: GeronL
Its too easy to get citizenship

Tell that to someone that has gone through the process legally. It is too easy for all the wrong people. For people that want to come here, work hard, pay taxes and get ahead, the process is long and difficult.

13 posted on 05/04/2010 1:59:09 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Everybody that votes to end the visa lottery and diverstity visas, raise your hand.

So what’s up with your elected representative. Why do they still allow these? Relaxed standards for a visa lottery and diversity visas get us terrorists.

We have the stupidist representatives in the world, by far.


14 posted on 05/04/2010 2:00:58 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: livius
because he was apparently a sub-par student.

But, according to Rush, he managed to get an MBA. Did he do it on our dime?

15 posted on 05/04/2010 2:28:58 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: livius
One of the things Obama has already announced about whatever immigration bill is finally presented is that he wants more immigration from Muslim countries. Keep your eye on it. It’s going to make you wish for the good old days of illegal Mexicans.

Not much good has come of any Muslim immigration, and I've known a lot of them over the years. Even the so-called "Westernized" ones seem to have a crazy streak that comes out a inopportune times. I could write a book.

16 posted on 05/04/2010 2:31:53 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: libstripper
that system is clearly broken-down (but will have no trouble accommodating 20 million illegal Mexicans)/ sarc
17 posted on 05/04/2010 2:45:23 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

What do you expect when you allow dual citizenship? Loyality? I really despise our change to allow dual citizenship. It allows people who have extreme reservations about being american’s to become citizens and free to take the good, but leave if they want.
If they won’t turn in their foreign passport..they shouldn’t be given citizenship. They can just stick with a green card that can be revoked.


18 posted on 05/04/2010 2:52:46 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: libstripper

19 posted on 05/04/2010 3:15:06 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: libstripper
Big Red Flag on immigration “reform”. This guy becomes a citizen as a cover + Holder will come to his rescue. Start a moratorium on immigration for anyone from the Middle-East? We need a complete conservative review of our immigration laws/policies. Forget Amnesty. . . . don’t even think about it!
20 posted on 05/04/2010 3:32:16 PM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I agree. I think we need to moratorium immigration, clean up the illegals problem and then decided who, how many, and from where gets to come here.


21 posted on 05/04/2010 4:40:02 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: libstripper

Watched Harball this afternoon to see what idiotic statements Matthews would be spouting. Matthews stated, over and over, that he wanted to know what made the bomber who had just become a citizen last year change his mind about America and want to cause America harm. Is Matthews’ crazy (Yes)? ...He really belives the bomber was sincere in his pledge of loyalty to America and later changed his mind. Oh I get it..We (America) did something to this guy right after April 2009 to make him angry....As usual Liberal Matthews is blaming America.


22 posted on 05/04/2010 4:40:41 PM PDT by RRismyhero (Mr. Obama - You can keep your change.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

He got some kind of grants, but I’m not sure where they came from.


23 posted on 05/04/2010 5:12:02 PM PDT by livius
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To: Travis McGee

What a joke ;-)


24 posted on 05/04/2010 6:16:26 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: libstripper; bcsco; SJackson; Arthur Wildfire! March

And then the feds want to turn around and give every illegal alien amnesty.....

This country isn’t going to hell in a handbasket, it’s going to hell in a runaway locomotive.

This HAS to stop.


25 posted on 05/04/2010 7:07:58 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: A CA Guy

He buys a one way ticket with cash.

We may not be able to read minds, but we’ve been told often enough that they’re watching out for clues like this.

Obviously not enough.


26 posted on 05/04/2010 7:20:51 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Let's Roll

We are under attack by Muslims,
and we are importing Muslims,
and elected a Muslim to the presidency.


27 posted on 05/04/2010 7:33:05 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: afraidfortherepublic

And he apparently made (almost) enough to service a $200,000 mortgage.

Then he spends eight months in Pakistan, returning with enough hard cash to support himself, buy the Pathfinder, buy bomb stuff and then a plane ticket back. Who gave him the money ?


28 posted on 05/04/2010 8:13:33 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: libstripper
" ... raising questions about the naturalization process that turns foreigners into Americans ..."

Ya think ???!!!

29 posted on 05/04/2010 9:17:50 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: livius
One of the things Obama has already announced about whatever immigration bill is finally presented is that he wants more immigration from Muslim countries. Keep your eye on it. It’s going to make you wish for the good old days of illegal Mexicans.

Without the most strict screening--which we all know is not going to happen--this is just inviting people in to come murder Americans. Not merely treason, but deliberately murderous treason.

30 posted on 05/04/2010 9:24:22 PM PDT by denydenydeny (The welfare state turns us all into zoo animals, mouths open, waiting for the next feeding.)
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To: libstripper

Why are we importing any Islamics at all?


31 posted on 05/04/2010 9:29:46 PM PDT by Pelham (Obamacare, the new Final Solution.)
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To: libstripper
Dangerous immigrants threatening the nation.


32 posted on 05/04/2010 9:37:14 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: A CA Guy

That’s not strictly true:

Mind-reading software
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=529766


33 posted on 05/04/2010 10:03:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2312894/posts?page=242)
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To: libstripper

What naturalization process? I mean geezus, Jack Squat Barry’s aunt is still in America when she should have long been deported.....go figure, huh? =.=


34 posted on 05/04/2010 10:09:42 PM PDT by cranked
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To: Oldexpat; Buckeye McFrog
What do you expect when you allow dual citizenship? Loyality? I really despise our change to allow dual citizenship. It allows people who have extreme reservations about being american’s to become citizens and free to take the good, but leave if they want.

It's sort of like a couple "shacking up"!

35 posted on 05/04/2010 10:11:12 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: GeronL
Its too easy to get citizenship hear that Mexico??

It is not!!! It's only easy if you're not white and can't speak English properly. It took us 10 years!! And we came from Canada and we are very pale, and I am blonde.

36 posted on 05/04/2010 10:34:05 PM PDT by lkco
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To: lkco

Apparently for some of these Muslim countries it is.


37 posted on 05/04/2010 10:35:26 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: lkco
It is not easy to get US citizenship !!! It took us Canadians 10 years!!

It's only easy if you're not white, can't speak English properly......... And if you buy fake id's.

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2 Texans accused of planning to sell counterfeit IDs

NORTH BERGEN -- (AP) 07/21/06---The Pelcastre brothers were a walking threat to national security -- expert document forgers who, for a few thousand dollars, could give anyone a new identity, authorities said Thursday. When police stumbled across the pair, the men had turned a Tonnelle Avenue hotel room into a business office and were readying a massive cache of fake Social Security cards for delivery to a local identity broker, authorities said.

The brothers, Angel, 31, and Jorge, 34, both of Dallas, were a "one-stop shop" for a myriad of government documents, including birth certificates, Social Security cards, driver's licenses for any state in the country , including passports and resident alien cards, said state police Capt. Al Della Fave. "Can you imagine if a terrorist were able to get their hands on this stuff?" Della Fave said. "They'd have free passage throughout the country."

A task force including state troopers and officers from both the Bergen and Hudson county prosecutors' offices happened upon two cars bearing Texas plates in the parking lot of the hotel Wednesday morning. Authorities wouldn't identify the hotel by name for fear it could hinder cooperation from other hotels in future investigations or spark retribution.

The Corporate Outreach Task Force, formerly the Hotel Motel Drug Interdiction Task Force, regularly runs checks on motor vehicles in area motels. Members of the task force began watching the cars, a Chevrolet Impala and a Pontiac Firebird, and followed the brothers to an office supply store in a nearby shopping center, where the men purchased computer supplies, said state police Sgt. Stephen Jones.

Officers then followed the brothers to a self-storage facility in Secaucus, where they loaded several boxes from a storage unit into one of the cars, Jones said. One of the men stood lookout, which heightened police suspicion, he said. Authorities approached the men when they returned to the hotel and questioned them separately, Jones said. The brothers consented to a search of their cars, hotel room and the storage facility, he said.

Police recovered laminating sheets with built-in security features, pages of blank documents waiting for fake names and information, finished documents, computers and software to create the fake IDs, Jones said.

All told, the haul was worth about $500,000 on the street, Della Fave said. Police also recovered $6,000 in cash, which was the first payment from a fake document broker for a shipment of 500 Social Security cards, Della Fave said.

"They were aggressively selling to brokers," he said. "This isn't like selling driver's licenses to individuals. These were multiple layers of high-level documents."

The brothers were being held without bail Thursday at the Hudson County Jail on charges of possessing fraudulent documents and conspiracy to sell fraudulent documents. Federal charges are also pending against them, said state police Detective Sgt. Cesar Huaman, a member of the task force.

38 posted on 05/05/2010 3:08:40 AM PDT by Liz (If teens can procreate in a Volkswagen, why does a spotted owl need 2000 acres? JD Hayworth)
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To: Liz

My God!


39 posted on 05/05/2010 4:41:47 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: GeronL
*** Its too easy to get citizenship ***

Not if you're from Poland and come here legally and have a Green Card.

Getting here legally is step one and a loooooong process.
Then passing your test is step two.
Then the waiting period to be sworn in after passing the test is step three.

And way back in post WWII days it was even harder, and took longer to get here for Europeans, like Lithuanians ('DP's', people without a country). It took my wife's parents years and years. They finally came here in 1956. They had about an Six Year wait for teh 'paperwork'.

And IIRC it was Fatso Kennedy who put even more limits on European immigrants with one of his STOO-PID Bills. Like immigrating from Poland and even Ireland.

40 posted on 05/05/2010 5:35:52 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: Condor51

bump

I have no idea why we would limit first world immigration in favor of third world and Muslim immigration. Seems very backwards to me.


41 posted on 05/05/2010 5:43:13 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: libstripper

IMHO....the only reason he wanted to become a citizen was to be able to purchase supplies for the “bomb” that he was going to make.


42 posted on 05/05/2010 12:11:39 PM PDT by mickie
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