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Terrorists and Guns: The Nature of the Threat and Proposed Reforms
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Posted on 05/04/2010 11:22:15 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright

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They're laying the groundwork to declare anyone, for any reason, a terrorist, and to deny them rights under the 2nd Amendment.

BOHICA

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1 posted on 05/04/2010 11:22:15 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright
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To: Jim Robinson; dcwusmc; A Navy Vet; Jeff Head; Squantos
Lautenberg's at it again, the traitorous prick.

The "panels" are hardly balanced ... it's like a who's who of gun grabbers .... :@

Time to let them know, in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS .... "FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!!!!!!!!!!!"

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2 posted on 05/04/2010 11:27:01 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An OATH is FOREVER (NRA member) Oathkeeper III We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: marktwain; neverdem

ping.


3 posted on 05/04/2010 11:31:39 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: Neil E. Wright
There is only one legitimate Federal gun law.

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

4 posted on 05/04/2010 11:50:50 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Interesting, yet not “Breaking News”. Sortof like a policeman who leaves his siren on all day long, at some point, people start to tune you out if you are always on “Red Alert”.


5 posted on 05/04/2010 11:51:12 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
I put it in "breaking" because NO ONE, not even the hard core 2A groups caught this. They sneaked this in, and even long-time guardians of firearms rights were caught unawares by this announcement. The "hearings" are tomorrow.

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6 posted on 05/04/2010 11:58:34 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An OATH is FOREVER (NRA member) Oathkeeper III We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: Neil E. Wright
well, actually, TODAY now, since it is after midnight. The hearings are at 10am TODAY.

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7 posted on 05/05/2010 12:00:25 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An OATH is FOREVER (NRA member) Oathkeeper III We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: All

I’ve said it since the Heller decision and with the upcoming McDonald decision.

They won’t be able to outlaw guns once SCOTUS incorporates the 2A, so they will just set about turning us all into criminals. Thereby banning us from owning guns.

Its actually a brilliant move on the part of the Commies, because the courts have continuously upheld restrictions on gun possession and ownership by people convicted of certain crimes, mentally challenged or who have a “history” of violence or violence tendencies.

They will begin by adding militias to terrorist watch lists as well as placing those deemed to be anti-government on the list as well.

Once that is established then the mission creep will set in as some group buried n the bowels of DOJ sets about “defining” others as anti-government, militias and terrorists.

Its the perfect fix, one the courts will be reluctant to stop because once they do it will call into question such prohibitions as non-violent convicted felons, misdemeanor domestic violence convictions etc... who are already denied guns.


8 posted on 05/05/2010 12:18:07 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: Neil E. Wright
Challenge accepted.
9 posted on 05/05/2010 1:11:00 AM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has it limits.)
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To: Neil E. Wright
In reality, these two bills should be re-named the "Gun Owners Are Probably Terrorists Act," and the "National Firearm Registry Act," respectively. Collectively these bills strip citizens of their enumerated Constitutional Right to Bear Arms without any meaningful due process, and create a national firearms registry.

http://www.libertycoalition.net/written-statement-liberty-coalitionon-%E2%80%9Cterrorists-

10 posted on 05/05/2010 4:04:24 AM PDT by muddler (Obama is either incompetent or malicious, and it makes little difference which.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

The Dims are blaming the Tea Party and Republicans for Islamic terrorist attacks again, by saying that we “harass” Muslims and have caused the to go bad.


11 posted on 05/05/2010 4:06:36 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Neil E. Wright

NRA-ILA has been on this for a while. What about the states, like PA, that do their own background checks and bypass NICS?


12 posted on 05/05/2010 4:06:46 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Oh, that’s rich. On a year when 90% of Democrats will be losing their seats, Lautenberg is trying to bump the number to 100%.


13 posted on 05/05/2010 4:33:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Neil E. Wright; TallyFlPatriot; politicallyincarrect; /\XABN584; 3D-JOY; 5Madman; ...

If you are on my FACEBOOK please bump my post on there as well... This hearing begins in an hour and a half and thanks to this thread I now know about it.. this one was completely off my radar... thanks for posting this.. we ALL need to be watching this one very closely..

http://www.facebook.com/david.osborne1?ref=profile


14 posted on 05/05/2010 5:19:51 AM PDT by davidosborne (DavidOsborneDotZurvitaDotBiz)
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To: Neil E. Wright; TallyFlPatriot; politicallyincarrect; /\XABN584; 3D-JOY; 5Madman; ...

If you are on my FACEBOOK please bump my post on there as well... This hearing begins in an hour and a half and thanks to this thread I now know about it.. this one was completely off my radar... thanks for posting this.. we ALL need to be watching this one very closely..

http://www.facebook.com/david.osborne1?ref=profile


15 posted on 05/05/2010 5:20:09 AM PDT by davidosborne (DavidOsborneDotZurvitaDotBiz)
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To: davidosborne

BTTT


16 posted on 05/05/2010 5:29:07 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...



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17 posted on 05/05/2010 5:32:09 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

This hearing will be live on CSPAN-3 at 10AM ugh... a lot of cable subscribers dont get CSPAN-3 but you can stream it from the net..


18 posted on 05/05/2010 5:34:02 AM PDT by davidosborne (DavidOsborneDotZurvitaDotBiz)
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To: davidosborne

Thanks for ping, FRiend.


19 posted on 05/05/2010 5:40:15 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (We knew deep down it was this bad. Devour ugly truths with glee -- truth is our weapon.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

As always, my pleasure, I am glad I saw this post this morning or this hearing would have never been on my radar scope.. gotta love them FReepers..

TOWARD VICTORY AND FREEDOM MY FRiend.


20 posted on 05/05/2010 5:46:27 AM PDT by davidosborne (DavidOsborneDotZurvitaDotBiz)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

More “ Insanity On Parade “


21 posted on 05/05/2010 5:47:07 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Neil E. Wright
Okay, so let me get this straight: The wondrous and powerfully magical rulers of the Democratic National Socialist Party in our great and magnificently imperial government can't stop a terrorist form almost escaping by getting on a flight, bypassing the vaunted ‘No-fly’ list.

But they still want to ‘USE’ the crisis of terrorism to deprive the Law-abiding citizens the right to defend themselves.

Have I framed that correctly?

22 posted on 05/05/2010 5:47:25 AM PDT by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: Neil E. Wright

And, not to Nitpick, but who the H*ll considers Lautenberg and Bloomberg to be “Honorable “

{I’m not nitpicking anyone here, but give me a break, those slugs being even close to being Honorable?}


23 posted on 05/05/2010 5:50:29 AM PDT by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: BerserkPatriot

Dubai’s Fault? Obama blames Emirates Airlines for boarding
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/05/obama-administration-says-emirates-airlines-dropped-the-ball-911-commission-vicechair-says-us-govt-i.html

You see? We’ll be safer, so long was Obama doesn’t trust Dubai anymore.


24 posted on 05/05/2010 5:52:02 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (We knew deep down it was this bad. Devour ugly truths with glee -- truth is our weapon.)
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To: BerserkPatriot

pretty much nailed it my friend


25 posted on 05/05/2010 5:58:03 AM PDT by davidosborne (DavidOsborneDotZurvitaDotBiz)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Obama: Police Acted ‘stupidly’ in Scholar Arrest video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZYsW_PxWAM

If disarmed, who are we supposed to trust?

Times Square Bomber “openly critical of Bush”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703866704575224451665380256.html

Is the idea to disarm Bush-bashers? Not exactly ...

NRA: Barack Obama - “bitter gun owners” video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZWaxjiQyFk

So what do Americans think?

Rasmussen By the Numbers (Democrats’ nightmare)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2504583/posts

Congress’ job performance Favorable 11% Fair 31% Poor 57% ***
National Security Dem 36% GOP 51% ***

[They’r’e scared to even look at gun control issue. I’ll search that right now.]


26 posted on 05/05/2010 5:59:28 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (We knew deep down it was this bad. Devour ugly truths with glee -- truth is our weapon.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

The next panel discussion can be on terrorists and airplanes. We’re going to ban all of those evil airplanes!!!


27 posted on 05/05/2010 6:03:26 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: TigersEye; stephenjohnbanker

Poll: Fewer Americans support stricter gun control laws - CNN.com
From Oakland, California, to Binghamton, New York, several mass shootings in recent weeks have killed dozens across the country. ...
www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/08/gun.control.poll

Democrats still don’t get it on gun rights, says Rasmussen poll
http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m3d9-Democrats-still-dont-get-it-on-gun-rights-says-Rasmussen-poll

[Quote]
The poll revealed that while 92% of identified Republicans who responded say the U.S. Constitution affirms an individual right to own a gun under the Second Amendment, only 64% of those who said they were Democrats believe that. They were even behind the 71 percent of respondents who claimed no political affiliation, while supporting individual gun rights..
Astonishingly, even after the Supreme Court ruled last June 26 in the case of District of Columbia v. Dick Anthony Heller, 14 % of those answering the poll do not believe there is a constitutional right to own a gun ...

[unquote]


28 posted on 05/05/2010 6:06:04 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (We knew deep down it was this bad. Devour ugly truths with glee -- truth is our weapon.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Guns?????????? Terrorists use Bombs IDIOTS.


29 posted on 05/05/2010 6:08:25 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

How about a panel on their no-fly list system?


30 posted on 05/05/2010 6:10:09 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (We knew deep down it was this bad. Devour ugly truths with glee -- truth is our weapon.)
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To: Marty62

Amen, Marty. Fertilizer control.


31 posted on 05/05/2010 6:11:15 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (We knew deep down it was this bad. Devour ugly truths with glee -- truth is our weapon.)
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To: Marty62

We need to ban clocks and SUVs — that’ll stop’em.


32 posted on 05/05/2010 6:11:46 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (We knew deep down it was this bad. Devour ugly truths with glee -- truth is our weapon.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Rocks are lethal weapons too. Back in the Civil War, thrown rocks killed a number of armed soldiers. Years back, someone suggested a rock ‘buy-back’ program.


33 posted on 05/05/2010 6:13:35 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (We knew deep down it was this bad. Devour ugly truths with glee -- truth is our weapon.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

I don’t understand why this is so bad. (*Caution: I haven’t read all the description - much less seen the actual proposal.) Do we really need to jump on it as “anti-2A”?

“known (or appropriately suspected) to be or to have been engaged in conduct constituting, preparation for, in aid of, or related to terrorism, or providing material support or resources for terrorism, and has a reasonable belief that the prospective transferee may use the firearm in connection with terrorism”

If they know this person has had terrorist activities, instead of simply denying him a gun when he tries to buy, why not just, oh, say, ARREST him?


34 posted on 05/05/2010 6:17:30 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Tea Party participants?
35 posted on 05/05/2010 6:18:53 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Neil E. Wright

I don’t trust anything with Lautenberg or Bloomberg’s fingerprints on it.


36 posted on 05/05/2010 6:21:41 AM PDT by Bayan
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
"How about a panel on their no-fly list system?"

Exactly, the same system that shakes down 80 year old grandmas can't catch this terrorist before he gets on the plane.
37 posted on 05/05/2010 6:25:58 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

“Exactly, the same system that shakes down 80 year old grandmas can’t catch this terrorist before he gets on the plane.” When the guy’s on the no-fly list.

And now they want the Feds to disarm the 80 year old granny while terrorists can smuggle truckloads of weapons up through Mexico.

Yeah, I think the American people would be thrilled with such an idea.


38 posted on 05/05/2010 6:29:47 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (We knew deep down it was this bad. Devour ugly truths with glee -- truth is our weapon.)
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To: Neil E. Wright; bamahead; Joe Brower

Thanks for posting! I didn’t know about it.


39 posted on 05/05/2010 6:33:27 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

According to Justice Clarence Thomas, the Feds don’t even have the enumerated power to outlaw machine guns in the hands of felons. It’s up to the states to pass such laws.

Obama singlehandedly surrendered in the war on terror. He banned that term. Therefore, he cannot consider terrorists to be enemies. They are ‘criminals’ who need miranda rights.

So when we resume the war against terror, we can declare who is an enemy, and then the president has war powers. But we should identify them as ISLAMIC terrorists, which 0 will never do. Otherwise, a member of the tea party could be listed as a terrorist.


40 posted on 05/05/2010 6:35:06 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (We knew deep down it was this bad. Devour ugly truths with glee -- truth is our weapon.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I’m glad you are offering a counterpoint. Here’s something else to bear in mind:

Judge orders release of 9 ‘militia’ members
http://freep.com/article/20100503/NEWS06/100503031/1319/Judge-orders-release-of-9-Hutaree-militia-members
[’Terrorist’ militia members out on bail?]


41 posted on 05/05/2010 6:40:46 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (We knew deep down it was this bad. Devour ugly truths with glee -- truth is our weapon.)
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To: Thunder90

Word searches of ‘muslim’ and ‘islam’ led to your post 11.

This bill therefore must be tyrannical, not focusing on the real threat. Best I can tell for now, ‘case closed’.


42 posted on 05/05/2010 6:45:20 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (We knew deep down it was this bad. Devour ugly truths with glee -- truth is our weapon.)
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To: Neil E. Wright; Arthur Wildfire! March

“Time to let them know, in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS .... ‘FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!!!!!!!!!!!’”

As it goes, that might be exactly what happens. But someone is going with me. That’s a fact.

Thanks ArthurWildfire! March


43 posted on 05/05/2010 7:04:51 AM PDT by MestaMachine (De inimico non loquaris sed cogites- Don't wish ill for your enemy; plan it)
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btrl


44 posted on 05/05/2010 7:08:41 AM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (We need to limit political office holders to two terms. One in office, and one in prison.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

I requesting the thread title be ammended to read

[LIVE] — The Hearing is about to start


45 posted on 05/05/2010 7:12:25 AM PDT by davidosborne (DavidOsborneDotZurvitaDotBiz)
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To: davidosborne

http://c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN3_wm.aspx


46 posted on 05/05/2010 7:14:31 AM PDT by davidosborne (DavidOsborneDotZurvitaDotBiz)
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To: davidosborne

CSPAN just cut away as the hearing was about to start.. hmmmmm


47 posted on 05/05/2010 7:15:23 AM PDT by davidosborne (DavidOsborneDotZurvitaDotBiz)
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To: davidosborne

http://www.foxnews.com/

Fox is also streaming it.. link available at top of page


48 posted on 05/05/2010 7:17:30 AM PDT by davidosborne (DavidOsborneDotZurvitaDotBiz)
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To: Marty62

The NY Times Sq bombing was an example of us failing to close the Craigslist Loophole


49 posted on 05/05/2010 7:17:34 AM PDT by Ender Wiggin
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To: davidosborne

CSPAN-3 stream is up and feed is a little ahead of fox..


50 posted on 05/05/2010 7:21:27 AM PDT by davidosborne (DavidOsborneDotZurvitaDotBiz)
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