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Hawaii governor announces 'exact' place of Obama birth
World Net Daily ^ | 5-5-10 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 05/05/2010 10:41:27 PM PDT by STARWISE

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1 posted on 05/05/2010 10:41:27 PM PDT by STARWISE
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To: onyx; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...

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2 posted on 05/05/2010 10:42:04 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

Then showing the birth certificate won’t be a problem?


3 posted on 05/05/2010 10:43:41 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: STARWISE
'The question has been asked and answered, and I think we should all move on now'

Wishful thinking. I know it's a headache for the gov and all but this is the future of American we are trying to protect.

4 posted on 05/05/2010 10:44:17 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: STARWISE

Was she just quoting Zero’s leter to Kapiolani after his inauguration?

How would Lingle know—she sealed the BC and only Zero or a relative could see it under Hawaiian law.


5 posted on 05/05/2010 10:45:34 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: STARWISE

Bump


6 posted on 05/05/2010 10:45:51 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: STARWISE

Keep that screen shot. Snopes has already changed. Checking internet archive now to see when it changed.


7 posted on 05/05/2010 10:46:26 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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8 posted on 05/05/2010 10:46:48 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Domandred

Oh neato. That page blocked by the wayback machine.


9 posted on 05/05/2010 10:47:26 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: STARWISE
Although the governor now claims she issued a news release stating Kapi'olani is Obama's birthplace, the actual release said no such thing, making no reference to Kapi'olani nor any other specific location of Obama's birth.

For LTC Lakin you'll have to show that Obama birth certificate in court.

10 posted on 05/05/2010 10:48:10 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

It shouldn’t be a mystery...he ought to willingly show it.

No matter where he was born I think he’s hiding something and I don’t think he has the right to hide such things from We The People.


11 posted on 05/05/2010 10:49:46 PM PDT by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: STARWISE

Well, let’s see the original verified, unaltered true birth certificate.

That should not be a problem. I hope they don’t mind my not taking their word alone for it.


12 posted on 05/05/2010 10:51:20 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: STARWISE
"the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii"

Did this hospital confirm this and do they in fact have a copy?

13 posted on 05/05/2010 10:52:25 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: freekitty

He is still not a natural born citizen if his father was born out of this country. Why do they insist he is? He isn’t.


14 posted on 05/05/2010 10:53:24 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: STARWISE

LOLOLOLOLOLOL


15 posted on 05/05/2010 10:53:37 PM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: STARWISE
I personally never doubted he was born in Hawaii.

But I do think there's something on the birther cert. that he doesn't want the public to see...like that his parents weren't married or something embarrassing.

16 posted on 05/05/2010 10:54:43 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming

Actually, the birth certificate is worthless...grandmother had a bc issued without a father or a mothers name on it.


17 posted on 05/05/2010 10:59:03 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: exit82
How would Lingle know—she sealed the BC and only Zero or a relative could see it under Hawaiian law.

And Hawaii has just passed a stricter law prohibiting requested information of Hawaiian vital statistics and other associated birth information. So Lingle, why is Hawaii doing its best to cover up records that Hawaii maintains? That's not being open and honest.

18 posted on 05/05/2010 10:59:49 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Typical politician ... “yes, I understand that
people have a right to know if he’s natural
born American citizen, but it’s been settled.
Just move along ....”


19 posted on 05/05/2010 11:01:16 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE; LucyT

Then she shouldn’t have any problem naming the doctor in attendance at the birth....should she? If this information is acceptable for her to divulge now, why not produce the birth certificate and be done with it once and for all?????


20 posted on 05/05/2010 11:01:25 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: Siena Dreaming

the Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children?

or the Queen’s Medical Center?

Both have been claimed.

Read the article.


21 posted on 05/05/2010 11:02:06 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: Domandred

Is it gone ??


22 posted on 05/05/2010 11:05:06 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: exit82; STARWISE; All

Was she just quoting Zero’s leter to Kapiolani after his inauguration?

How would Lingle know—she sealed the BC and only Zero or a relative could see it under Hawaiian law.

Exactly.

If NOT quoting the letter, didn't she just break Hawaiian Law regarding Obama’s privacy?

§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.


23 posted on 05/05/2010 11:05:18 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Red Steel; STARWISE
"Then showing the birth certificate won’t be a problem?"

Exactly!

24 posted on 05/05/2010 11:08:02 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: STARWISE
Lingle's radio statement could add further confirmation that a long-form, hospital-generated birth ceritifcate still exists, despite a February report by Britain's Sky News which stated: "Authorities in Hawaii have provided an electronic record of Obama's birth because the paper copy was destroyed in a fire which wiped out much of the state's archives."

Yet, the Nordyke twins were able to get a microfiched copy of theirs. Who cares if the "paper" copy was destroyed ( which I find bogus ). As a matter of fact, Okubu has stated that the department went paperless in 2001. Per Hawaii Statutes:

92-31 Disposition of original record. A photograph, microphotograph, reproduction on film, or electronic form of a government record shall be placed in conveniently accessible files and provisions made for preserving, examining, and using the same. Thereafter, a public officer, after having first received the written approval of the comptroller as provided in section 94-3, may cause such record, paper, or document to be destroyed. The comptroller may require, as a prerequisite to the granting of such approval, that a reproduction or print of such photograph, microphotograph, or reproduction on film, or electronic form of the record be delivered into the custody of the public archives for safekeeping. The comptroller may also require the delivery into the custody of another governmental department or agency or a research library of any such record, paper, or document proposed to be destroyed under the provisions of this section.

Seeing as the Nordykes BC was available on microfiche, it shows that Obamas must be available also ( unless of course the "mysterious fire " just happened to destroy only his microfiche copy )

So, either the original microfiche copy is still available or a complete reproduction of it in electronic form is available. To put something in electronic form and not copy all the data on the original document would be against the law. Where these files have to be accessible and provisions have to be made for examining them, it would be misleading for the Department of Health to say that the information on the original Certificate of Live Birth is no longer available. Under Hawaii Revised Stautes 338-18, those with a direct and tangible interest in the record are permitted inspection of public health statistics records. That would include either the microfiche or electronic copy of the original Certificate of Live Birth.

25 posted on 05/05/2010 11:08:18 PM PDT by TheCipher
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To: TheThinker
Did this hospital confirm this and do they in fact have a copy?


Nope, they refused.

From a July 26, 2009 WND article:

-snip-

"The Kapi'olani Medical Center claims to "know" the letter is real, but hospital spokeswoman Keala Peters refused to corroborate the content, specifically that Obama was born at her facility as the letter asserts.

"We know that [the letter] came from Mr. Obama," she said.

When asked how she "knew" that and how the hospital came to receive the message, Peters only stated, "[Congressman] Neil Abercrombie personally brought it." "


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=104718

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Neil Abercrombie, the-over-the-hill-hippie, and the only person to publicly state he saw Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham together in Hawaii.

26 posted on 05/05/2010 11:12:15 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: STARWISE

Somebody isn’t telling the truth.


27 posted on 05/05/2010 11:13:57 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Domandred; All

This is what came up in a search for Snopes info on this. They’re totally covering their butt.

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snopes.com

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Who Is Barack Obama?

Excerpt:

Claim: Barack Obama is a “radical Muslim” who “will not recite the Pledge of Allegiance.”

FALSE

Example: [Collected via e-mail, January 2008]

If you do not ever forward anything else, please forward this to all your contacts...this is very scary to think of what lies ahead of us here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it.

Who is Barack Obama?

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita, Kansas. Obama’s parents met at the University of Hawaii.

When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia. When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school.

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, “He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school.” Obama’s political handlers are attempting to make it appear that he is not a radical.

Obama’s introduction to Islam came via his father, and this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son’s education.

Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world.

Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama’s expected presidential candidacy.

The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!!

Origins: Barack Obama served as an Illinois state senator for several years, and in 2004 he won a seat representing that state in the U.S. Senate. His keynote address before the Democratic National Convention in June 2004 brought him national prominence, and he is currently one of the leading contenders for the nomination to represent the Democratic Party in the 2008 presidential election.

Barack Obama has an unusual and interesting background, which the above-quoted piece draws on to paint him as a dangerous, camouflaged radical Muslim.

Much of the information presented therein about his background is distorted and exaggerated, however, and no evidence supports a claim that Obama is a Muslim (radical or otherwise).

Claim: Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita, Kansas. Obama’s parents met at the University of Hawaii.

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Barack Hussein Obama (Senator Obama’s father) was born on the shores of Lake Victoria in Alego, Kenya. He met and married an American woman, Ann Dunham of Wichita, Kansas, while they were both attending the University of Hawaii. Their son, also named Barack Hussein Obama, was born on 4 August 1961 at the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii. (News accounts have also variously reported his birth as having occurred at Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu.)

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp


28 posted on 05/05/2010 11:14:11 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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"If NOT quoting the letter, didn't she just break Hawaiian Law regarding Obama’s privacy?"

As most of us here know, they are all above the law.

Of course, now that she's publically claimed part of the allegedly private information that would be found on a long form....what about the rest of it. Such as, the signing Dr? And, as has been suggested here, why not release a certified copy of the long form to a "major" news agency?

29 posted on 05/05/2010 11:15:08 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: shield

Photo Shopped


30 posted on 05/05/2010 11:15:46 PM PDT by plinyelder ("I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: BP2

Sounds that way to me. And she gave no context
for this confirmation .. did she see it herself?
Was she told by a trusted employee ?


31 posted on 05/05/2010 11:16:13 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE
If in fact this is the case (that he was born in HI), then can we FINALLY get to the larger eligibilty question here?

How can someone born a subject to the crown of her majesty the Queen of England be considered a Natural Born Citizen of the United States and thus eligible to be the Commander in Chief of the armed forces (to say the least)?

32 posted on 05/05/2010 11:19:04 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Jet Jaguar; All

> the Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children?

> or the Queen’s Medical Center?

> Both have been claimed.

Yep.

In November 2004, when Obama FIRST revealed (via his half-sister Maya) that he was considering running for President,
she slipped up and said that Obama was actually born at Queen's Medical Center.

She's never retracted it, nor has the newsletter that printed it before Queen's showed up in other places too ...

Rainbow Edition News Letter, November 2004 Edition Part 2 -- Rainbow Edition News Letter, November 2004 Edition, p 15


33 posted on 05/05/2010 11:19:29 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: STARWISE

I would assume a doctor was present. What’s his name?
Inquiring minds would like to know!


34 posted on 05/05/2010 11:19:52 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: TheCipher; All
The Nordyke certs look to be the copies of the originals that were gotten when they registered the twins for kindergarten. Look at the date at the bottom of the certs.

certs side by side half way down page under the title:

Hawaii officials confirm Obama’s original birth certificate still exists

By Dan Nakaso
Advertiser Staff Writers
Honolulu Advertiser

http://www.biasedmediaboycott.com/index.php?topic=80.0

Of course I can no longer get to the Honolulu advertiser story with the original link either. I wonder why? something to do with the discrepancy of the cert numbers I'm sure.

35 posted on 05/05/2010 11:22:09 PM PDT by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: STARWISE

Great! Now show us he Long Form Birth Certificate with Kai’polani on it and the doctor’s name.

What has been the problem doing this ALL ALONG?


36 posted on 05/05/2010 11:26:55 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: freekitty

Exactly!

Pertinent question #2:

Who are your actual Daddy (and Mommy) ?


37 posted on 05/05/2010 11:27:54 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Siena Dreaming

He has said his mother wasn’t married and so has MO. But then again his Kenyan grandmother said she was there in Kenya when he was born. I think it’s all part of the plan to NEVER release the original long form BC.


38 posted on 05/05/2010 11:30:07 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discover" Sarah Palin)
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To: patlin

What are we going to do when the children of one of these teenage ghetto kids tries to run for Prresident?

In order to collect welfare, they claim that they dont know who the father is.

How are we going to prove if one of these kids of a welfare mom was conceived by an American if they claim they dont know who the father was?

I see problems ahead...


39 posted on 05/05/2010 11:33:25 PM PDT by neverbluffer
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To: STARWISE

Whatever! What’s the big deal in showing us the actual birth certificate? I’ve had to show mine a couple times.


40 posted on 05/05/2010 11:34:18 PM PDT by Just Lori (To take our country back, we need to take our party back. NO MORE RINOS!!)
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To: BP2
If NOT quoting the letter, didn't she just break Hawaiian Law regarding Obama’s privacy?

She could never be convicted, as barry-birth evidence, or lack thereof, is forbidden in the new obamalaw judicial system.

41 posted on 05/05/2010 11:34:41 PM PDT by taraytarah
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To: patlin

Yes, but what it shows is that Obamas must have been transferred to microfiche also. So it doesn’t matter if the “paper” copy was destroyed. All the info is on the microfiche copy. They must have had the microfiche copy available in 2001 when all the records were transferred to electronic storage or else there would be no record in electronic storage of his BC in order to produce the COLB.


42 posted on 05/05/2010 11:37:12 PM PDT by TheCipher
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To: STARWISE

As far as I can tell, the governor of hawaii just broke the law as it relates to releasing private information. How does she know this information? Did she view the document? Did she then speak about information on that document in public? Isn’t that a crime?


43 posted on 05/05/2010 11:38:02 PM PDT by chris37
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To: Aria

It’s a simple little document. Why doesn’t he want anyone to see it? He knows that a lot of people have questions about his citizenship. Does he think this is some kind of game?


44 posted on 05/05/2010 11:42:25 PM PDT by Just Lori (To take our country back, we need to take our party back. NO MORE RINOS!!)
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To: neverbluffer
How are we going to prove if one of these kids of a welfare mom was conceived by an American if they claim they dont know who the father was?

Don't you ever watch Maury? The mom may actually have no idea who the father is. Could be an American. Or not. Maybe she didn't even know his name. Maybe the dad isn't the person she thought it was and then you'd have to do DNA tests on the candidate's potential fathers.

Actually, you wouldn't need to worry about paternity. As every passisng day attests to, the parents' citizenship has no bearing whatosever on the natural born status of an American-born child.

45 posted on 05/05/2010 11:43:35 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Red Steel
"The Kapi'olani Medical Center claims to "know" the letter is real, but hospital spokeswoman Keala Peters refused to corroborate the content, specifically that Obama was born at her facility as the letter asserts. "We know that [the letter] came from Mr. Obama," she said. When asked how she "knew" that and how the hospital came to receive the message, Peters only stated, "[Congressman] Neil Abercrombie personally brought it."

Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. That should be obvious to anyone with half a brain by know. It's all just a shell game to keep the Birthers chasing their tails.

46 posted on 05/05/2010 11:43:57 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: STARWISE

This Linda Lingle?

“Senator Obama likes to say he’s from Hawaii. But, the truth is, I’ve never met him in my life. He’s never called me on the phone. Ninety-five percent of the people in my state had never heard of him before he ran for president.”


47 posted on 05/05/2010 11:44:25 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red Steel

Amazing isn’t it? effing liars.


48 posted on 05/05/2010 11:46:49 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: STARWISE
"the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii"

Dr. Sapirstein attending.

49 posted on 05/05/2010 11:47:41 PM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: TheThinker

the hospital won’t confirm this. last year i got a “form” email stating that because of confidentiality, they could not confirm or deny.


50 posted on 05/05/2010 11:52:52 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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