Posted on 05/06/2010 9:01:22 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
Combative arrest? What does that mean? Does the Chief mean this guy was arrested for violence? Ya know that could mean he simply pulled his arm away after being grabbed by a LEO...
In court they'll be forced to reveal if this guy had a violent criminal history. It'll be interesting to see where this goes from here...I'll follow it...
I'll be honest with ya.
This video has now been seen by nearly 425,000 people on the Internet...If the LEOs continue with this type of violent military tactics, for relatively minor, non-violent crime, they're going to have big problems in the future.
Bet the rent.
But any department is susceptible to corruption or negligent administration: the rot starts at the top. No argument from me.
“Can you cite any single incident where a dog killed a cop in SWAT raid?”
Nope. The cops have superior tools, and use them under the circumstances discussed. Testimony to the effectiveness of the tactic. Sad; but most often, necessary.
Y’know, if these types of raids were stopped, the consequences would be dire. The form is a rational response to the circumstances. And remember, NASA has lost two shuttles...and an Apollo crew, in a “Zero Error” environment. Stuff happens. 30,000 people die every year in MV wrecks. Stop driving, sir?? You might kill someone! [Be rational!]
A dynamic raid for minor offense is just wrong. I never heard of such a thing. However, arrest warrants for misdemeanorin’ hombres who default court, and have a violent history, are sometimes approached that way. Sometimes the judges get pissed that cops don't actively pursue defaulters. [Stop letting them out on the streets pending their forever trials, sirs’, says I]
The bumps come when info is bad, or addresses are wrong, etc.
Great care is taken. No cop wants to get involved in a cluster that can send him to jail or cost him all he has.
But sometimes stuff goes wrong. One must weigh the bad and good...reasonably...to determine prudence of such measures. That has been done...and judicial and legislative check are such that, if things are as bad as made out to be by the YouTube activists, the practice would be curtailed; but the data and real-life experience of learned men deny the purported crisis view.
Is it against the law to bar your door so it cannot be broken down? What do they do if they can’t get in?
I'm now a constable, and I have arrest powers in my state. Would that it devolved upon me the effect his arrest, you can bet I'd be bashing the door at 4am...and I'd shoot the freakin’ dog, too. He has nuthin’ to lose. And I won't be poked with his knife or bullet while distracted... wrestling with his animal.
Attitude? You betcha! Survival. I wanna see another day. And I don't wanna kill nobody...legit or otherwise, either.
A window into my mind that might illuminate the discussion.
“What do they do if they can’t get in?”
Plan ‘B’.
Yep, and the video substantiated there were no guns, basically no dope, no violence from the suspect, yet pets were shot, and a 7 year old boy was present while shots were being fired by the LEOs within the home...
This event clearly depicted this military style raid was not only unreasonable, but extremely very unsafe for the innocent's in the home and neighbors adjacent to this property.
This is the type of raid you'd expect when searching for murder suspects or terrorist.
I agree. But the fault does not lie with the SWAT Team. They went by the book, I think. [except, maybe, ‘in the night-time’...they knocked!???? But states differ in requirements, maybe???]
The trouble is with the informant, information, delay, and vetting of circumstances: the judge signed a fresh warrant; the police administration fumbled. There is legal culpability there, I believe. Information has to be fresh; no unnecessary delay is allowed...exactly to avoid circumstances like this.
That is, the SWAT team performs a certain way. They are a tool, and respond in that fashion upon orders and direction of police administration. The errors occurred at desks...by those authorized to deploy that tool.
As for the rest of your post, it's gibberish.
We basically agree...
This is the type of raid you'd expect when searching for murder suspects or terrorist.”
I must, upon further reflection, take issue with that part:
Administration looked at the circumstances, and arrest reports for the subject. And, coupled with the knowledge that he had a prior conviction, assessed the situation as requiring dynamic entry to ensure safety. An independent third party...the magistrate....agreed.
Many cops have been shot to death by offenders perceived as far less dangerous than murderers or terrorists.
Had the warrant been served when fresh, they might have bagged the quantity of pot alluded to by the informant.
I do not preclude the possibility that the act was overkill for a sleepy town. Maybe some irresponsible decision-making. I don't have enough information. Juries will decide the matter....correctly, I think.
“So it’s self fulfilling: we do it because we like to and we like it because we do it.”
You understand what you like, and like what you understand.
:^)
LOL
“I thought that SWAT teams were designed for life-and-death situations (armed kidnappings, hostage situations, and so on). Not potheads.”
Enough SWAT teams act like the bad guys in BATF to give SWAT teams bad PR and in some cases, a bad name.
My son is a Deputy Sheriff and ex-US Marine Sergeant. He has also worked with SWAT teams locally. He usually volunteered to be the first one in – he had confidence in his own capability, and preferred that to having someone else be first in. He never shot a dog. And they never got any bad PR for what they did. Neither suspects nor deputies were not killed.
These things can be done correctly, or they can be misused by bad training, bad leadership, or bad use of this approach to law and order in our society.
Waco is an example of misused power and authority. If they wanted David Koresh, he could have been had any day of the week away from the compound by arresting him on one of his frequent trips into town. Clinton, Janet Reno & Wesley Clark chose to make it a big thing by attacking the compound with full armament. They, the administration, got what they wanted – death and destruction, including women and children. BATF was used in this murderous raid. Read more here…
http://www.serendipity.li/waco.html
I would LOVE to know where you got your ‘once a year’ info from.
“Is it against the law to bar your door so it cannot be broken down? What do they do if they can’t get in?”
The first guy to go in will likely be armed with a 12 ga loaded with a slug, then maybe shot, then another slug. The first one is to blow away the door in a case like this. Armed perps threatening on the other side of the door can be taken out with the next slug...they will not get up.
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