Posted on 05/07/2010 8:24:18 AM PDT by LouAvul
I understand. My wife has dealt with chronic stasis ulcers as a result of the blood clot. Any woman who endures that has my sympathy.
I was just pointing out that pregnancy is more dangerous to a person with Factor V Leiden than the pill is. Lovanox and Heparin help during pregnancy (Warfarin sodium aka Coumadin is contraindicated during pregnancy) but they carry their own risks. My wife does high risk obstetrics, and even in the 21st century, they occasionally lose a woman in child birth to disseminated intravascular coagulation, and that risk is about 5 times higher for a woman on blood thinners.
Chastity is a foreign concept to those who allow their libido to dictate how they live their life.
Took me a while to read my posts from this thread.
To cut to the chase, then, are you in favor of Factor 5ers using the Pill because you believe the risk is less than the risk of death due to pregnancy?
It’s not preferable. However, pregnancy is nothing that should be gone into lightly under those circumstances.
Yes, FRiend, fully agreed. My oldest daughter and her husband were fully apprised about the challenges and needs when she became pregnant 3 years ago.
Gratefully, we now have a 2 year old granddaughter.
And thanks for the bit about coumadin being contraindicated during pregnancy. That was news.
Blessings to you and your wife, especially in the work that she has taken on with obstetrics. Ob can be the best of the medical world, and it can be the most devastating.
Most folks don’t know this but Coumadin is warfarin sodium, aka rat poison. Really, it’s the same stuff you poison rats with. It’s not only potentially deadly to the mother and child due to DIC, and hemorrhaging, but it’s been linked to birth defects. No bueno.
Nearly any substance is harmful in the right quantities, including water.
It's the dose that matters.
People commit suicide with sleeping pills all the time. Does that make them poisonous?
Yeah, I knew that. It always seemed funny to me because I felt like a lab rat anyway, and there they were treating me like one, too. Fortunately, my kids only got the Factor 5 from me, not the Protein S deficiency, so they haven’t been told they need thinners, at least so far.
I went to high school with a kid whose mother had been on Thalidomide. Great kid. Devastating drug.
Welcome, TChris.
How did you happen to helicopter in to a thread that’s been dead for several days?
FWIW, suicide by sleeping pill doesn’t make sleeping pills poisonous. If they were marketed as a substance that kills rats, that would make them poisonous.
You’re wrong. Trust me, you don’t want to start a discussion about the fine differences between toxicity, poisonous, and venomous. Too much water or an overdose of sleeping pills is an example of toxicity, which is entirely different biologically speaking than poisonous.
Yes, I understand that there is a difference there.
But the larger point stands: Just because a substance is harmful (poisonous, toxic, etc.) at some level does not necessarily mean it is harmful at lower levels.
What's relevant here is that the substance at hand is always harmful at any dose. Coumadin is always harmful, but in certain people with vascular prosthesis, genetic hypercoagulation, and venous disease, it has a beneficial side effect. Sometimes the beneficial side effect outweighs the daily damage it does to the body, and the ever increasing chance of a fatal or debilitating hemorrhage. It's an ugly drug, but we haven't found a workable alternative yet.
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