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In Treasury report, shocking evidence of silver price suppression
silverseek.com ^ | May 7, 2010 | Adrian Douglas

Posted on 05/07/2010 12:24:20 PM PDT by givemELL

"-- The notional value of derivatives held by U.S. commercial banks increased $8.5 trillion in the fourth quarter, or 4.2 percent, to $212.8 trillion."

"-- Derivative contracts remain concentrated in interest rate products, which comprise 84 percent of total derivative notional values. The notional value of credit derivative contracts, at $14 trillion, represents 7 percent of total notionals. Credit derivatives notional totals increased by 8 percent during the quarter."

Imagine: an increase of $8.5 trillion in notional value of derivatives in just three months."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.silverseek.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banks; derivatives; gdp; goldbugping; silver
More excerpts:

"Derivatives activity in the U.S. banking system continues to be dominated by a small group of large financial institutions. Five large commercial banks represent 97 percent of the total banking industry notional amounts and 88 percent of industry net current credit exposure."

"(How much more "transparency" do you need to "see" that $206 trillion of derivatives in five banks with combined assets of a measly $5.4 trillion is a "daisy-cutter" bomb big enough to wipe out all things paper on the planet?)

You have to love those "mitigating factors" that the regulators offer as to why five banks owning 97 percent of $213 trillion of derivatives is not a problem. The increase in notional value of all derivatives in just three months is equal to 75 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product. Do the "sophisticated tools" that these bankers require to write derivative contracts include bongs and the strongest hallucinatory drugs on the planet?"

Finally, regarding silver:

"This increase in notional value of silver derivatives represents approximately 220 million ounces, which is 125 percent of the global production of silver during the quarter -- and that is only the increase. The entire notional value represents 106 percent of annual global production.

What possible legitimate purpose could such a monstrous derivative position be serving with a maturity of less than one year?

The only purpose I can think of is for manipulation of the silver market. I am not a regulator but I can't think of any "mitigating factors" for that."

1 posted on 05/07/2010 12:24:20 PM PDT by givemELL
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To: jiggyboy

ping


2 posted on 05/07/2010 12:32:34 PM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Tag line deleted...don't want to incite violence...)
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To: givemELL

bookmark this thread. Silver remains, IMO, underpriced compared to other precious metals.


3 posted on 05/07/2010 12:33:22 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Cameras, cameras--never forget to bring your cameras)
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To: givemELL
This is where they take our money/securities, increase it’s value 100s of times and then bet against us getting any of it back?

And I believe we're running out of silver.

4 posted on 05/07/2010 12:35:14 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: givemELL

Holy crap!

That is insane! Talk about a looming disaster.

I have always REFUSED to allow any institution to hold my silver purchases “on deposit”.

I was watching gold break $1200, and I wondered just what the hell was holding silver down below $19. Siver’s historic volatility vs gold seems to have been supressed lately.... If (when) silver breaks loose and goes on a tear, I anticipate a price near $30/oz to be probable.

Buckle up! The ride has not even begun.


5 posted on 05/07/2010 12:45:19 PM PDT by dadgum (Overjoyed to be a Pariah)
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To: wolfcreek

Now your catching on. Most USAians don’t get the extreme evil of unequal weight and measures; creating money out of thin air. It’s really not that complicated though...


6 posted on 05/07/2010 12:48:18 PM PDT by veracious
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To: givemELL

The silver supply gap has closed significantly in the past couple of years. And the metal is losing a very significant portion of its industrial use. I’d say silver is due for a drop.


7 posted on 05/07/2010 12:49:09 PM PDT by DManA
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To: veracious

I heard they don’t play the *fancy financial games* In India and that they fared much better as of late.


8 posted on 05/07/2010 12:52:50 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: givemELL

“What possible legitimate purpose could such a monstrous derivative position be serving with a maturity of less than one year?”

Two hypotheses:
1) These banks clearly expect someone else to be holding the bag if things go south.
2) These banks expect Obama to grow the economy so fast that $206T will seem a pittance relative to U.S. GDP, hence the risk of systemic failure trivial.

I leave it as a homework exercise for readers to decide which of these seems most probable.


9 posted on 05/07/2010 12:56:20 PM PDT by DrC
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To: DManA
And the metal is losing a very significant portion of its industrial use...

Digital photography?

10 posted on 05/07/2010 1:23:51 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: DManA

We seem to be in the minority, but I agree with you. Film used a significant percentage of silver in years past, but the amount is dropping fast. It is down to something like 50% of what it was over the last 10 years. It will drop more in the future. What will replace that demand?


11 posted on 05/07/2010 1:24:11 PM PDT by jim_trent
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To: wolfcreek

More people need to read and understand what this report means and what implications it has. Who can be trusted? How do we break it down for reporting? Charts, simple-to-understand illustrations, and so forth. I’m seriously asking.


12 posted on 05/07/2010 1:25:13 PM PDT by Rona_Badger (No longer lurking!)
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To: givemELL
Uh,, the source makes money by selling silver,,,

Would you trust a used car salesman's advise on how your Ford Taurus will gain value?

13 posted on 05/07/2010 1:34:17 PM PDT by 2aberro
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To: 2aberro
Uh,, the source makes money by selling silver,,,

Uh,, tu quoque

They did not write the treasury report. Welcome to FreeRepublic. Logical Fallacies.
14 posted on 05/07/2010 1:47:20 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: dadgum

at 20:1, silver should be 60 and that is the low end of the historical range


15 posted on 05/07/2010 1:53:48 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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To: jim_trent

Medical use of silver has gone down drastically. Almost all radiological images are stored and transmitted digitally rather than on silver-containing film.


16 posted on 05/07/2010 1:57:57 PM PDT by CholeraJoe ("And the pony looked a little bored...")
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To: CholeraJoe

And how many rolls of film do you use per year in your Instamatic?


17 posted on 05/07/2010 2:47:20 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: CholeraJoe

Almost all radiological images are stored and transmitted digitally rather than on silver-containing film.
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And the film that is created is usually digitized after a year at most and sold as scrap to precious metal recyclers.


18 posted on 05/07/2010 3:29:45 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: bert

Thanks, bert. Things could get very interesting, and very quickly.


19 posted on 05/07/2010 3:46:59 PM PDT by dadgum (Overjoyed to be a Pariah)
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To: PA Engineer
They did not write the treasury report

And who, at this moment, is in charge of our treasury??? Mr Propaganda himself, Big Zero. (I have grown so cynical, I trust no one, no where, no way, that's tied to government!)

20 posted on 05/07/2010 4:37:49 PM PDT by 2aberro
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To: Rona_Badger
It means people don't recognize their true enemies.
21 posted on 05/07/2010 4:58:47 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Neidermeyer

While I concur that there is a drop in silver demand due to the digital conversion for imaging - I would argue that the electronic industry is seeing a surge in silver usage due to the need to eliminate lead in solder for the new RoHs regulations. There are still some industries, medical for example, in the process of switching over. In many cases the only alternatives are Tin immersion (chip, but subject to whisker growth and reli issues in high stress environments, though improving), Gold (usually nickel plated and more expensive), and silver immersion (slightly more expensive, but without the issues of tin). There is a lead free HASL that has come on line in the last few years, but it has not seen huge adoption in many places due to its lack of history.


22 posted on 05/07/2010 6:28:54 PM PDT by reed13 (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.")
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To: All; PA Engineer; blam; TigerLikesRooster; Cheap_Hessian; CJinVA; Jet Jaguar; OneLoyalAmerican; ...
Goldbug ping, even though it's about silver.

Mail me to get on or off the Free Republic Goldbug Ping List.

23 posted on 05/07/2010 7:55:13 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: The Duke; jim_trent

Also there is relatively less silver being used in electronics than in the good old days when they’d wave-solder a board in a literal pool of molten silver/lead solder. I saw somebody on TV once saying big boards for mainframes could have one ounce per board.


24 posted on 05/07/2010 7:59:27 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy

Good Pic!


25 posted on 05/07/2010 7:59:42 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: givemELL

FWIW, I looked at the “properties” of the PDF — it has a date of March 18. I won’t argue that this is “just released”, per the first paragraph of the article, but I wouldn’t trade Monday morning on the basis of this being breaking news that “they” are just finding out.


26 posted on 05/07/2010 8:04:08 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy; DelaWhere

Thanks for the ping.


27 posted on 05/07/2010 10:18:25 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( garden/survival/cooking/storage- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2299939/posts?page=5555)
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To: arthurus

Right. I haven’t used a film camera since 2002.


28 posted on 05/08/2010 4:27:26 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("And the pony looked a little bored...")
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To: givemELL

bumping...


29 posted on 05/09/2010 11:05:53 AM PDT by redhead ("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." --Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: givemELL

I am going to trade some of my gold for silver as soon as I can. This sounds like a good time to buy more physical silver. I have junk silver, and would like to add more. If push comes to shove, I will at least have a good doorstop, or counterweight for a Rube Goldberg something or other. Silver is malleable, so it can be made into all kinds of useful tools, and it has antibiotic properties we are only just learning about.


30 posted on 05/09/2010 11:09:42 AM PDT by redhead ("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." --Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: The Duke
"And the metal is losing a very significant portion of its industrial use...

Digital photography?"

I agree, but I also believe new uses will be found for it, and that it will always be useful, ornamental, and a good investment. HOspitals can plate their instruments in silver for antibacterial properties. Some hospitals already have this technology. Washing machines can now be purchased that have silver as a germ-killing part of the cycle.

31 posted on 05/09/2010 11:15:08 AM PDT by redhead ("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." --Ronald W. Reagan)
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