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Duke Lacrosse Team: Just The Facts, Please
Bleacher Report ^ | May 5, 2010 | R. B. Parrish

Posted on 05/07/2010 1:44:15 PM PDT by CondorFlight

Since the current tragedy at the University of Virginia, the media has frequently brought up the Duke lacrosse case, as though the latter had some kind of relevance to the former. Because such associations are likely to be made in the future, let’s get a few facts straight:

The Duke lacrosse players did not commit a crime in Durham; they were the victims of a crime (several crimes in fact: false accusations, and much more).

Their community rushed to judge them, including preachers, newspapers, politicians, and assumed whatever “truths” were most convenient for their own agendas. The comparisons with Scottsboro are eerie, the sort of perfect parallels which could only occur if we humans really are all alike under the skin, regardless of where and when we live.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: duke; dukelax; lacrosse; virginia

1 posted on 05/07/2010 1:44:15 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: CondorFlight
Until Proven Innocent:
Political Correctness and the Shameful Injustices of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case
by Stuart Taylor , KC Johnson

2 posted on 05/07/2010 1:55:23 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ( DRAFT PALIN)
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To: CondorFlight

So where is Nifong?

I HOPE he s resting in some nice cell some here

At bare minimum he should lose that nice house and lifestyle


3 posted on 05/07/2010 2:02:42 PM PDT by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: Mr. K

“So where is Nifong?”

Nifong is fine. For trying to put three innocent students in prison for 30 years, he had to spend one day in jail. (Prosecutors go by different rules than the rest of us.)

Nobody has been disciplined, investigated, or punished, by Duke, Durham, or the Durham police, except for one police sergeant
who tried early on to say that Crystal Mangum was lying and shouldn’t be believed.


4 posted on 05/07/2010 2:05:46 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Mr. K

Nifong served a single day in jail. However, a) he lost his job; b) lost his law license; c) is being sued by players for $180 million; and d) declared bankruptcy in early 2008. All in all, very fitting punishments, though not necessarily commensurate with the magnitude of his crime.


5 posted on 05/07/2010 2:18:53 PM PDT by DrC
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To: DrC

“Nifong served a single day in jail. However, a) he lost his job; b) lost his law license; c) is being sued by players for $180 million; and d) declared bankruptcy in early 2008.”

My prediction: Nifong will petition to get his law license back in a couple of years and it will be granted.

His “bankruptcy” only served to delay any potential testimony in the civil suits for a full year (IMHO just stalling tactics, but my opinion is jaundiced on this subject).


6 posted on 05/07/2010 2:25:00 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: CondorFlight

I’ve noticed that too, and at first I thought it was just a lazy “lax-bro” cliche...but I think the first comparisons were made, because he went to high school with a couple of the duke players.


7 posted on 05/07/2010 2:36:35 PM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: DrC

If the lacrosse players were POOR he would have gotten away with it too...

And the democrats would have rewarded him...

See how useful poor people are to democraps?


8 posted on 05/07/2010 2:39:02 PM PDT by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: Mr. K

Nifong is on the short list for SCOTUS.


9 posted on 05/07/2010 2:42:12 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Mr. K

The Attorney General Roy Cooper made sure Crystal Mangum was not charged for any of her crimes. I wonder why? Perhaps she knew too much about the illegal activities of politicians in Durham. Perhaps she was a ‘close friend’ of the police chief who went missing.

Had Crystal been charged for filing a false police report the MSM would be less likely to treat the Duke players as if they were guilty.


10 posted on 05/07/2010 2:48:36 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

The Dukesters did do something wrong. They got drunk and invited a stripper to their party.

None of this would have happened had they behaved themselves.


11 posted on 05/07/2010 2:56:48 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: heye2monn

Really? You have evidence that the three young men who were charged were drunk?


12 posted on 05/07/2010 3:02:38 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: CondorFlight

I saw a (black) CNN reporter mention the Duke lax “sex scandal” while talking about the murder case, and that the perp and several Duke players are from the same affluent area around Baltimore or Washington. No race/class envy there. Then at the very end of the story he managed to mention that no Duke players were convicted.


13 posted on 05/07/2010 3:07:34 PM PDT by GnuHere
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To: GnuHere

“The Dukesters did do something wrong. They got drunk and invited a stripper to their party.”

Some 20 Duke organizations hired strippers that year, including the basketball team and some sororities. Some of the lacrosse players didn’t even know there were going to be strippers until they were asked to help pay for their fees.

The party was a substitute for Spring Break, which the team had to miss because of practice. (Want to guess what other students were doing during Spring Break?)


14 posted on 05/07/2010 3:16:04 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: DrC

The players should be suing Nifong, the police department, the DA’s office, the SCHOOL (Duke) and ALL the teachers who took out a full-page ad denouncing them

AND the whore should be in jail.

But I hope they learned a lesson about their choice of ‘entertainment’ for the night


15 posted on 05/07/2010 3:50:56 PM PDT by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: ladyjane

So the stripper is OK with you?

Here’s a couple quotes on their drinking -—

“The university’s athletic director had already forced the team to miss two games because of underage drinking and the hiring of dancers at the party.”

From a school report on the Duke lacrosse team —

“They have repeatedly violated the law against underage drinking. They have drunk alcohol excessively. They have disturbed their neighbors with loud music and noise, both oncampus and off-campus. They have publicly urinated both on-campus and off. They have shown disrespect for property. Both the number of team members implicated in this behavior
and the number of alcohol-related incidents involving them have been excessive compared to other Duke athletic teams.”


16 posted on 05/07/2010 3:56:38 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: heye2monn

College kids drinking beer, who would have thunk it?

Although our lax team never hired a stripper for entertainment, we did drink a keg after each game with the other team. As a matter of fact most of the time we drank it out in the open at the playing field. Great times!


17 posted on 05/07/2010 4:17:35 PM PDT by mickey finn
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To: heye2monn

If you will re-read my post you will see it said:

“Really? You have evidence that the three young men who were charged were drunk?”

I said nothing about any stripper.

In fact it is not clear they saw the stripper. Some members of the team left the room to watch television and study. Some were not drinking.

The three young men who were charged just happened to be the three whose families had the deepest pockets. The dancer was quoted as saying she was going to get a lot of money (extorted) from the white boys.

I’m sorry you feel that anyone who ever drank beer in college and saw a stripper deserved to have their lives ruined. Perhaps the Duke basketball team should have their lives ruined thirty times over because that is how many stripper parties that team had during the preceding 8 months. The lacrosse team had never done that previously.


18 posted on 05/07/2010 4:19:41 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Mr. K
If the lacrosse players were POOR he would have gotten away with it too...

It never would have happened if the players were poor. Crystal (falsely) identified the three players who had the most money. Not a coincidence.

19 posted on 05/07/2010 4:21:56 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: mickey finn

“They have repeatedly violated the law against underage drinking.”

So have 90% of college students in America.

” They have drunk alcohol excessively. They have disturbed their neighbors with loud music and noise, both oncampus and off-campus.”

Serious stuff. They were also accused of “suspicion of throwing water” in a water fight.

” They have publicly urinated both on-campus and off.”

Because at campus sports events there are only so many porta-potties, and the girls get first dibs on those.
Durham police know this and cite the guys (all Duke males)
when they head for the bushes. It makes for a lot of nice revenue.

” They have shown disrespect for property.”

But groundskeepers and other workers complimented them on their courtesy.

” Both the number of team members implicated in this behavior
and the number of alcohol-related incidents involving them have been excessive compared to other Duke athletic teams.”

False. By using a sample of FOUR students, they came up with “25%” of offenders were lacrosse players. Another sample of TWO students led to “50%” of offenders were lacrosse players.

Lacrosse team members also had twice as many players on the ACC honor role as any other lacrosse team; 100% graduation rate; collected more money for Katrina relief than any other Duke team; and were not BMOC. An article from 2005 described how their relative anonymity on campus helped their scholarship.


20 posted on 05/07/2010 4:24:54 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Lacrosse is targeted by the diversity racists for one reason: White males.


21 posted on 05/07/2010 4:57:25 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: abner; Alia; beyondashadow; Bitter Bierce; bjc; Bogeygolfer; BossLady; Brytani; bwteim; Carling; ..

ping


22 posted on 05/07/2010 4:58:57 PM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: CondorFlight

The left and the drive by media certainly painted the team as the worst group of kids to ever be spawned, when if fact they were good kids. The case was perfect for the DBM and the ever present Justice Brothers.


23 posted on 05/07/2010 4:59:26 PM PDT by mickey finn
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To: heye2monn

None of this would have happened had they been other than white.


24 posted on 05/07/2010 7:00:58 PM PDT by shanover (These are the times that try men's souls....tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered-T. Paine)
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To: ladyjane

If you will reread my post you will see that I did not say the Duke players deserved to have their lives ruined. Other the whacked-out stripper and her anti-white friends, who has said that?

All I said was that if you get drunk and hire strippers, you are looking for trouble. Or if you hang out with kids who do. Bad lifestyle choice, my dear.


25 posted on 05/07/2010 8:11:00 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: heye2monn

None of the three players were drunk.

Do you still think they deserve to be punished because they were there?


26 posted on 05/07/2010 8:20:58 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: shanover

Good point


27 posted on 05/07/2010 8:21:01 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: CondorFlight

“IMHO just stalling tactics”

As I understand, one key witness already has committed suicide, so the stalling tactic has “worked” in that regard. The chief problem, which plaintiffs recognize, is that Nifong may not have any assets from which to recover any damages awarded etc.


28 posted on 05/08/2010 4:35:17 AM PDT by DrC
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To: Mr. K

“The players should be suing Nifong, the police department, the DA’s office, the SCHOOL (Duke) and ALL the teachers who took out a full-page ad denouncing them”

The school did settle with them for an undisclosed amount. Don’t know why they didn’t go after the Duke 88. It may have been because their letter smeared the entire team rather than the accused players by name, or that lawyers felt that it would be too hard to prove libel given that so much of it was implied rather than stated outright. Unfortunately, being a member of the Duke 88 hasn’t appeared to have tarnished any academic careers. http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/paula-mcclain-and-duke-88.html

BTW, are you related to Coach K? :-)


29 posted on 05/08/2010 4:45:02 AM PDT by DrC
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To: Mr. K

“If the lacrosse players were POOR he would have gotten away with it too...”

I concur he likely would have gotten away with it with students unable to afford good legal defense. But as another poster noted, what gave this smear such power and legs was the claim that “rich white boys” had done this to a “poor black girl” etc. The masses enjoy toppling the “high and mighty” so taking on “poor white boys” wouldn’t have had nearly the same resonance.


30 posted on 05/08/2010 5:02:15 AM PDT by DrC
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To: ladyjane

A Duke University report mentions your hero, captain Evans, who rented the house of sin. You said he virtuously did not have three beers that day -—

From the report — “Bad alcohol-related behavior seems to be reinforced rather than mitigated by the group. Responsible senior leadership on the part of team captains [Evans] seems to have been too often missing. Despite repeated and stern warnings from their coach and his imposition of significant punishments for unacceptable behavior, this behavior continued.”


31 posted on 05/08/2010 7:11:31 AM PDT by heye2monn
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To: heye2monn

“the house of sin”

Well, if that’s a “house of sin”, what do you call the house rented by a black frat for an off-campus party in January, 2007 (while the Duke case was still going on), at which black athletes were present; and at which a white Duke student was dragged into the bathroom and raped (by a non-student)?

(An actual crime occurred there.)

Police found drugs and a gun at the house (no guns or drugs at the Buchanan st. house).

Which coaches were fired over this? Which teams had their seasons cancelled? When did Brodhead say, “Whatever they did was bad enough?” about this case?

While on bond—1/8 of the bond originally fixed for the lacrosse players—the rapist raped yet another woman. No wanted posters were issued for him and he remained at large for months.

Finally he agreed to a plea bargain which would get him a possibility of a little over two years plus time served for
committing two rapes.

That’s the difference in treatment between being a white Duke student accused of a crime in which DNA proves your innocence even before you’re arrested; and being accused of the same crime when you are poor and black.


32 posted on 05/08/2010 8:16:22 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: CondorFlight

The thugs and rapists deserve far more punishment and many more years in jail than they apparently got. I totally agree with you. I loathe affirmative action and political correctness and the coddling of criminals simply because they are the proper color.

I don’t think the Duke students deserve the national humiliation of being falsely accused of assault and rape. But when you get drunk and invite into your home strangers/criminals, you are setting yourself up for some kind of trouble.

Welcome to the real world.


33 posted on 05/08/2010 11:20:21 AM PDT by heye2monn
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To: abb

The true scandal in all of this was that the press never once investigated the real criminals...the Durham Police, the DA staffers, and the underbelly of Durham. The common thread is still there. Someone still needs to investigate it.


34 posted on 05/08/2010 5:58:13 PM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: TommyDale

We are, over at LieStoppers. Every day, all day. Come on over - you’ll see some of the old friends.


35 posted on 05/09/2010 3:23:00 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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