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Illegal Status of Army Spouses Often Leads to Snags
nyt ^ | 5/7/10 | Preston

Posted on 05/08/2010 5:37:59 AM PDT by Flavius

Lt. Kenneth Tenebro enlisted in the armed forces after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, signing up even before he became an American citizen.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; militaryfamilies; naturalization; nyt

1 posted on 05/08/2010 5:37:59 AM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

If the U.S. military accepts these good people into their ranks their families should be allowed to stay.


2 posted on 05/08/2010 5:51:37 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: Flavius

US Army officer marries illegal alien without telling the Army. What is wrong with that picture?


3 posted on 05/08/2010 5:52:58 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: Flavius

No excuse for either of them...this was not accidental..

He was here legally...He knew how the immigration system worked..

Five years ago she jumped the cruise ship she was working on and deliberately overstayed her visa...she knew how the visa system worked...

They have spent $7000 on legal fees...They could have flown back to the Phillipines and got married there and then applied for her to come here...she would have been here legally years ago...

But NOOOOOOOOOO they knew better than the US immigration laws...

No sympathy here...

Tennessee Nana
Naturalized American Citizen


4 posted on 05/08/2010 5:57:39 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

As a military officer, maybe he wasn’t allowed to visit the Phillipines.


5 posted on 05/08/2010 6:18:46 AM PDT by OldEagle
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To: Flavius

Just like with the public debate on Obamacare, the various news media will start the barrage of sob stories on illegal aliens.


6 posted on 05/08/2010 6:19:07 AM PDT by WayneM (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.)
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To: OldEagle

He wasnt in the service yet...


7 posted on 05/08/2010 6:23:30 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Flavius

Having two sons in the military, I can say they were diligently screened by having to produce SS cards and birth certificates to enlist. There should be a LEGAL process by which foreign nationals can attain resident status by enlisting and successfully serving, but we need to be careful with screening, especially with Muslims. Yes, profiling.


8 posted on 05/08/2010 6:24:51 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: OldEagle

I dont think the Phillipines is banned for travel...


9 posted on 05/08/2010 6:25:01 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: OldEagle

Plus he was from the Phillipines and may have still been a citizen...

No there was nothing to stop him from returning for a visit...


10 posted on 05/08/2010 6:29:02 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: WayneM

The article states

“Immigration lawyers and Department of Homeland Security officials say that many thousands of people in the military have spouses or close relatives who are illegal immigrants. Many of those service members have fought to gain legal status for their family members — only to hit a legal dead end created in 1996, when Congress last made major revisions to the immigration laws.”

DUH

why did they not do this the right way ???


11 posted on 05/08/2010 6:31:12 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Spok

There should be a LEGAL process by which foreign nationals can attain resident status by enlisting and successfully serving,
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Im glad theres not...

Illegal aliens who flaunt the immigration laws of this country are nor good military material..

The serviceman swears to uphold the Constitution of the United States...

Something this officer did not do...


12 posted on 05/08/2010 6:33:58 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Liz; AuntB

Whatcha think about this ???

Bring a hanky...


13 posted on 05/08/2010 6:34:59 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

No sympathy. This was a contract between knowledgeable adults.


14 posted on 05/08/2010 7:04:51 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Tennessee Nana

Enlisted members can be of other than US citizenship, however, ALL offciers prior to commissioning MUST be sole US citzens. US Code requires it (recall, they are entering a permanent OFFICE of the US, only terminated by eitehr resignation, or removal by appropriate authority).

If I understand crrectly, he married prior to his commission, so he in fact likley was evading the turht-perhaps not intentionally, but I doubt it. If his spouse was not a US citizen/legal alien, she could not have been enrolled in DEERS (Defense Enrollment Eligibility Reporting System; military family member enrollment into the DOD personnel system) legally-BC, SSN, proof of US citizenship/legal alien status required.

More than one system missed this, I’d guess.


15 posted on 05/08/2010 7:13:10 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally korrect!))
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To: Oldexpat

Yes

This was not a naive girl on holiday from a third world country...

She could probrably speak and read and write English fairly well to get her job...English would almost be a must for English speaking passengers and English speaking ports etc...(More English speaking passengers coming aboard)

(She was a “housekeeper, cleaning the cabins and tending to the pasengers needs...she would have to communicate with many English speaking passengers...English speaking passengers like to have English speaking crew members who can understand them))

As a crew member on an international cruise ship, she would have been drilled on the fact she could not stay in the US or anywhere else passed the hours or days that the ship was in port...

she visited the US during her vacation time (Usually 10 months works then 2 months off on most cruise lines) she was only allowed the usual visa time, how long is that, 30 days at most for a tourist ???

She CHOSE to stay longer...knowingly breaking the immigration laws of the US...and he knew she was doing thaty and so he is guilty of aiding and abetting an illegal alien in a crime..He should be deported too...

Until her visa was up and no longer valid, she was here legally but the day after the last day on her visa, she was automatically now an ILLEGAL ALIEN...she had had 30 days to think about breaking the US immigration laws and then she decided to do just that...

At any time they could have returned to their own country, the Phillipine...and got married there legally...and then he could have started the legal paperwork to bring herr here...

As foreign nationals very versed in the laws of the US..both of them knew this ...and both of them chose to laugh at the US immigration laws...

No sympathy from this FReeper who jumped through all the hoops and did it the right way...


16 posted on 05/08/2010 7:26:59 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Manly Warrior

Enlisted members can be of other than US citizenship,
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Nobody said they couldnt...

Enlisted or officers both...

However they have to be in the US legally and have an Alien Registration Card (green card)

No he probably is not getting any additional funds BAS and BAQ for his family...

But then neither do very junior enlistes get those funds...

If he married after he entered the military then he deliberately violated his sworn oath to uphold the laws and Constitution of the US..

He knew what he was doing...plus he had also sworn the same before he entered the US...and knew that if he committed a felony (such as aiding and abetting, transporting and harboring an illegal alien) he would be deported...

His actions are not that of officer material...

nor of a potential American citizen...


17 posted on 05/08/2010 7:38:44 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Flavius; iowamark; Tennessee Nana

I think this is all BS. A Philippine-born naturalized American citizen U.S. Army lieutenant married an overstaying Filipina tourist they now got three years old daughter. The U.S. Army husband feared deportation of his wife after exhausting all effort to legalize her immigration status. What’s the big deal? Didn’t the Pakistani terrorist who married a U.S. citizen got his naturalization after three years? U.S. Immigration and Custom Enforcement don’t even make effort to go catch the illegals begging for piecemeal job at HomeDepot’s because the media will categorize it as racism. As far as I know the U.S. Immigration and Custom Enforcement don’t threaten to deport someone with lawyer-retainer while aready proving intention to legalize his/her immigration status in the United States.


18 posted on 05/08/2010 7:47:40 AM PDT by hamboy
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To: Tennessee Nana

Amen.


19 posted on 05/08/2010 7:48:14 AM PDT by Liz (If teens can procreate in a Volkswagen, why does a spotted owl need 2000 acres? JD Hayworth)
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To: hamboy

Didn’t the Pakistani terrorist who married a U.S. citizen got his naturalization after three years?
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The Pakistani was here legally...

he wasnt an illegal alien like this woman is...

The big deal is the big crime of these two knowingly violating US laws...

What’s the big deal about enforcing US immigration laws...

Are you for AMNESTY ???


20 posted on 05/08/2010 8:20:41 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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Ping!


21 posted on 05/08/2010 8:53:36 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ Illegal is a Crime, it is not a Race ~)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Same reason most illegals don’t attempt to do it the right way- they took the easy way expecting us to do another amnesty- and another. Seriously I have had people tell me their relatives “went ahead and came up here for amnesty” all it takes to get a flood of illegals crossing is for the President or a congressman to mention amnesty.


22 posted on 05/08/2010 9:34:12 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Flavius

I am about as hard core about illegals as anyone I know- I do think when citizens of other countries are allowed into our military their immediate family should be given some sort of legal way to be here and access their military benefits such as housing, medical, etc. Reporting is so bad though it may be there is a legal way for this to happen- seems this military man did not report his marriage and tried to just get by with something.


23 posted on 05/08/2010 9:37:41 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Flavius

There is procedure and law. It needs to be followed by everyone. The only easy ride is if you serve yourself and don’t give me the spouse serves also. I was in submarines. No wife ever spend 5 months at sea at greater than four hundred feet.


24 posted on 05/08/2010 9:38:32 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Thank You God for Freeing the Navy Seals)
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To: Tammy8

He met this illegal alien in NY in the US...

He didnt bring her from the Phillipines with papers...

Yes he did try to get by with something...

They both knew they were breaking the US immigration laws


25 posted on 05/08/2010 9:46:41 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: bmwcyle

I was in submarines. No wife ever spend 5 months at sea at greater than four hundred feet.
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They are about too...

:)


26 posted on 05/08/2010 9:47:44 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
Of course I'm not for another amnesty.  But did you ever watch the movie Born in East L.A.?

Click the picture to watch the entire movie.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7238151711383763259#

27 posted on 05/08/2010 3:02:31 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: Tennessee Nana

We agree completely-I think....

Junior enlistd members who are married or have dependent minors etc do receive VHA & BAS/SRats etc, provided they produce required documentation; there is no rank or TIG requirement.

Best;


28 posted on 05/09/2010 3:19:28 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally korrect!))
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